Sin Free?

[Mysteryman]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

No one is doubting that God can keep us from sin, "if" by our free will, and by our renewed mind, refrain from sinning.

But God is not going to override our free will. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak .

 

[Cornelius]

Positionally is no help in reality.

Sorry, I do not believe what you are saying. I believe the salvation of God is much more than people teach and believe. With God nothing is impossible. If we have faith then anything is possible. Even to live without sin. We will not live without temptation, (Jesus was tempted and went through the same emotional struggle that we go through ...as Son of man...yet did not sin. He showed the way.) Temptation is not sin. Giving in to the temptation is sin.

A Christian is not the same as a non-Christian. We are not bound to sin anymore.(non Christians are) We are free to choose against sin and God makes a way out of temptation for us every time. Also we are told that He will not allow us to be tempted above that which we can bear: meaning of course that we will be able to resist the temptation if it come, resulting in us NOT sinning.

I have no conviction of committing any sin today although I was aware that I was tempted several times today. By God's grace I did not allow the temptation to pass through the first stage, which is the thought. I stopped it with a scripture verse in my head. All previous sins have been forgiven, so they are gone, so what am I guilty of today? Nothing ! God caused me to walk without sinning today. If He can do this today, why will He not do it tomorrow and the day after?

If I did something unknowingly that was wrong, then the blood of Jesus covers it too: I am only responsible for the amount of light that I have. So , through His grace, I walked in the light today and He cleansed me of all sin. If I am cleansed, then I am sin-free today. Why not tomorrow too?

 

[DarcyLu]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

No one is doubting that God can keep us from sin, "if" by our free will, and by our renewed mind, refrain from sinning.

But God is not going to override our free will. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak .

so you do understand, we are dead to our flesh but alive in His Spirit, it is now Christ in us and that is how we overcome sin. :yes

 

[watchman F]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

No one is doubting that God can keep us from sin, "if" by our free will, and by our renewed mind, refrain from sinning.

But God is not going to override our free will. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak .

How about because we love Jesus so much we won't want to sin, just like you do not sleep with other women because you are in love with your wife.

 

[glorydaz]

I don't know...perhaps you're demonstrating my point for me. :yes

I'm saying man can never defeat or overcome sin by his own efforts, because we will always come short of the glory of God. We are overcomers because Jesus overcame and defeated sin. Not because we overcome and defeat sin.

Can we defeat sin in this life? YES. Can we do it by our own efforts? NO. It is God through Christ that can and will (if we allow Him to) deliver us from the bondage of sin.

Indeed, we are no longer under the bondage of sin...it has no more dominion over us.
But remember, God's standards are not ours. His are higher.

We may believe that stepping outside the boundary is sin, but God sees falling short as sin as well.
Missing the mark is still a miss. Perfect obedience is what Christ accomplished for us.
Must we press on to the mark of the high calling of God...of course.
Will we attain before we're given our resurrected body and see our Lord face to face? No.
It does not yet appear what we shall be....we can believe we're sinless all we want, but when we see Him we'll realize we were only fooling ourselves.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[DarcyLu]

Positionally is no help in reality.

Sorry, I do not believe what you are saying. I believe the salvation of God is much more than people teach and believe. With God nothing is impossible. If we have faith then anything is possible. Even to live without sin. We will not live without temptation, (Jesus was tempted and went through the same emotional struggle that we go through ...as Son of man...yet did not sin. He showed the way.) Temptation is not sin. Giving in to the temptation is sin.

A Christian is not the same as a non-Christian. We are not bound to sin anymore.(non Christians are) We are free to choose against sin and God makes a way out of temptation for us every time. Also we are told that He will not allow us to be tempted above that which we can bear: meaning of course that we will be able to resist the temptation if it come, resulting in us NOT sinning.

I have no conviction of committing any sin today although I was aware that I was tempted several times today. By God's grace I did not allow the temptation to pass through the first stage, which is the thought. I stopped it with a scripture verse in my head. All previous sins have been forgiven, so they are gone, so what am I guilty of today? Nothing ! God caused me to walk without sinning today. If He can do this today, why will He not do it tomorrow and the day after?

If I did something unknowingly that was wrong, then the blood of Jesus covers it too: I am only responsible for the amount of light that I have. So , through His grace, I walked in the light today and He cleansed me of all sin. If I am cleansed, then I am sin-free today. Why not tomorrow too?

AMEN, C!
what a mighty God He is, a faithful Father, indeed! :yes

 

[watchman F]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

No one is doubting that God can keep us from sin, "if" by our free will, and by our renewed mind, refrain from sinning.

But God is not going to override our free will. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak .

so you do understand, we are dead to our flesh but alive in His Spirit, it is now Christ in us and that is how we overcome sin. :yes

Yes Darcy.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
If this passage of scripture is true for us we will not sin.

1st John 3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

If we have the hope of the resurrection/ being translated into the image of Christ we will PURIFY OURSELVES even as Christ is pure. That is completely pure, sinlessly pure.

 

[DarcyLu]

Indeed, we are no longer under the bondage of sin...it has no more dominion over us.
But remember, God's standards are not ours. His are higher.

well, yes, His standards are higher - they are Jesus standard lol and who are we to manifest, glory, who lives in you?

why are you so eager to take on and hold on to the label of "sinner"? God has higher standards for you, as you say.

 

[watchman F]

well, yes, His standards are higher - they are Jesus standard lol and who are we to manifest, glory, who lives in you?

why are you so eager to take on and hold on to the label of "sinner"? God has higher standards for you, as you say.

Excellent point, excellent!!!!

 

[ronniechoate34]

No one walks through this world without getting their feet dirty. In fact we need Jesus to cleanse us from the filth of this world on a daily basis. Who never has a bad thought here?

A bad thought isn't sin it is temptation, it is that second or third thought that gets you in trouble. When your thought turns to intent that is sin.

I disagree. Us fallen men are given to bad thoughts in the first place. A bad thought, no matter how fleeting, is still sin. I doubt if the angels in heaven ever offend God with bad thoughts. We are fallen beings that are prone to sin.


Guess what. God finds us offensive no matter how great we think that we are. We could never be good enough to stand before Him without Jesus to cover our sins. Whether a person believes they have sin or not is not the matter.What matters is that we all have sin and we all need Jesus Christ to live through it.

 

[Cornelius]

Luckily my "fallen man" is dead and crucified and I do not have to deal with him anymore. Its now Christ that lives in me.

Also "bad thoughts" are only sins if you accept them and agree with them. ALL temptations starts with a "bad thought" but that is why we are given Scripture . We have SWORD of the Spirit to fight off these "bad thoughts" and cast them down. We must take our thoughts captive and bring them into submission to Christ.

God is even able to protect our thoughts ! Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

We serve a powerful God. He only want us to believe Him and HE will do the rest.

 

[Mysteryman]

I wonder how many understand the word "if" ?

I John 1:6 - "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the turth"

I John 1:7 - "But if we walk in the light, as he is light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin"

 

[glorydaz]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

LOL...Because we have the whole Word of God.
If God were to "keep us from sinning" He'd need to take away our free will.

He doesn't count our sin against us...we have been justified by faith.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Paul suffered many beatings, reviling, imprisonments and had not yet attained...
Let's keep pressing on and not think there aren't refining fires that must be endured before our life is ended. We're refined so the dross will be removed. If the dross could be removed by an act of man's will then we'd have no need of trials and tribulations.

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Cornelius]

I wonder how many understand the word "if" ?

I John 1:6 - "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the turth"

I John 1:7 - "But if we walk in the light, as he is light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin"

That is correct, because some will and will not. "If" shows us that there are TWO ways. If you walk in the light (the knowledge you have) ...........the Son cleanseth you from all sin. So then you are clean. It means you did not do anything wrong according to your knowledge. You did not wake up this morning thinking evil and making plans to sin. You got up and wanted to serve God and walk in your repentance. You wanted to please God and not yourself.

But IF you did not do this, you did not walk in the light. You willingly transgressed that which you know to be wrong. Now you are guilty and not cleansed. You are now the opposite of sinless.

That is why its "if"

 

[Cornelius]

John 1:1 wrote:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Of course this where we all have to start. It does not say that this is where we finish. If this is the verse that we must live by all through our lives, then yes..........carry on sinning. But no, we indeed have verses like "reckon yourself DEAD to sin" and " I HAVE BEEN crucified with Christ and no longer live" (Dead men do not sin) and many others that make it clear that we can and indeed MUST overcome sin.

 

[glorydaz]

Indeed, we are no longer under the bondage of sin...it has no more dominion over us.
But remember, God's standards are not ours. His are higher.

well, yes, His standards are higher - they are Jesus standard lol and who are we to manifest, glory, who lives in you?

why are you so eager to take on and hold on to the label of "sinner"? God has higher standards for you, as you say.

You're wrong. I don't hold on to the label of sinner. I'm perfect in Christ Jesus because he became sin for me. It's His perfection...not mine or yours. I'm seeing a lot of self-deception on this thread...a denial of justification by faith. I'm seeing people trusting in their own righteousness, thinking they can attain perfection. The perfection we have is His alone. The more you boast in your own ability to be free from sin the more your pride comes shining through. Pride in one's own righteousness is sin.

Man's righteousness is filthy rags...before the cross and after the cross.
The pharisees considered themselves perfect as well, yet God sees into the heart. :yes

 

[glorydaz]

John 1:1 wrote:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Of course this where we all have to start. It does not say that this is where we finish. If this is the verse that we must live by all through our lives, then yes..........carry on sinning. But no, we indeed have verses like "reckon yourself DEAD to sin" and " I HAVE BEEN crucified with Christ and no longer live" (Dead men do not sin) and many others that make it clear that we can and indeed MUST overcome sin.

Keep working at it then, brother.

You'd best start with selling all you have and giving to the poor.
Then you can live totally by faith...trusting and obeying the Lord with every waking thought.
Until then...it just talk.

 

[XTruth]

John 1:1 wrote:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Of course this where we all have to start. It does not say that this is where we finish. If this is the verse that we must live by all through our lives, then yes..........carry on sinning. But no, we indeed have verses like "reckon yourself DEAD to sin" and " I HAVE BEEN crucified with Christ and no longer live" (Dead men do not sin) and many others that make it clear that we can and indeed MUST overcome sin.

Keep working at it then, brother.

You'd best start with selling all you have and giving to the poor.
Then you can live totally by faith...trusting and obeying the Lord with every waking thought.
Until then...it just talk.

1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

This verse is addressed to the self-deceivers who believe they remain justified after they?ve transgressed the law of God. These Christians are dead men walking. It doesn?t even work that way with man?s laws. How much more will God enforce the death penalty of sin for those who?ve mocked the sacrifice of His Son by continuing to do that which He died to save us from (Heb.10:26-29; 12:25, 28-29)? I can?t stress enough; only past sins are forgiven: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God (Rom.3:25).†“Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death (Jas.1:15).†“But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall (2 Pt.1:9-10).â€

 

[XTruth]

Indeed, we are no longer under the bondage of sin...it has no more dominion over us.
But remember, God's standards are not ours. His are higher.

well, yes, His standards are higher - they are Jesus standard lol and who are we to manifest, glory, who lives in you?

why are you so eager to take on and hold on to the label of "sinner"? God has higher standards for you, as you say.

You're wrong. I don't hold on to the label of sinner. I'm perfect in Christ Jesus because he became sin for me. It's His perfection...not mine or yours. I'm seeing a lot of self-deception on this thread...a denial of justification by faith. I'm seeing people trusting in their own righteousness, thinking they can attain perfection. The perfection we have is His alone. The more you boast in your own ability to be free from sin the more your pride comes shining through. Pride in one's own righteousness is sin.

Man's righteousness is filthy rags...before the cross and after the cross.
The pharisees considered themselves perfect as well, yet God sees into the heart. :yes

Your righteousness is still as filthy rags...??? ... that is not so.... here is the obvious proof to that false doctrine from the context of that passage alone....not to mention that the entire Word of God has spoken against that... here is my rebuttal...
http://conditionalsalvation.com/blog

 

[Mysteryman]

I have already given you the scripture that tells us God can keep us from sinning. Why do you doubt God, and His word?

No one is doubting that God can keep us from sin, "if" by our free will, and by our renewed mind, refrain from sinning.

But God is not going to override our free will. The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak .

so you do understand, we are dead to our flesh but alive in His Spirit, it is now Christ in us and that is how we overcome sin. :yes

Hi Darcy

No, we are not dead to our sins. The Word tells us in Romans 6:11 to - "reckon" yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin"

You will only be totally dead to any sinfulness of the flesh, when you are truly dead.

We are suppose to walk in the Spirit, which is the way in which we can only please God.

We have Christ in us, and we are suppose to walk in the Spirit. But only Jesus Christ can and did accomplish walking only in the Spirit, for he knew no sin.

But we are still in the flesh, and we still know sin. And we pray and believe that we sin not. But if we say we have no sin, or can not sin, we deceive ourselves. And what will happen, is that one believes they can not sin, and when they do sin, be it a sin willfully or unwillingly . They will claim that they can not sin, thus the sin they commited, is not sin, based upon the false premise that they can not sin. And anyone who believes that they can not sin, not only deceives themselves, but they also deceive others as well. Because even a half truth is a lie, and many will tell half truths, without even considering that this is exactly what they are doing.

Plus - In Galatians 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness ; considering thyself, lest thou also be temped"

Galatians 6:7 & 8 - "Be not deceived ; God is not mocked : for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" --- "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption ; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting" < This is not talking about work to get saved. It is talking about working out your salvation with trembling and fear. The word "reap" here is dealing with rewards.