Sin Free?

[RichardBurger]

Wouldn't you know it, I have another verse to share. ;)

Colossians 3:25 - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done : and there is no repsect of persons" :yes

Bless - IN Christ - MM

I believe this means in this life we will suffer the results of our sins. It has nothing to do with a future judgement.

A child of God has ALREADY been judged and found not guilty in Christ.

 

[glorydaz]

Wouldn't you know it, I have another verse to share. ;)

Colossians 3:25 - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done : and there is no repsect of persons" :yes

Bless - IN Christ - MM

I believe this means in this life we will suffer the results of our sins. It has nothing to do with a future judgement.

A child of God has ALREADY been judged and found not guilty in Christ.

True, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. :yes
I think it could be here and in the future...when we're rewarded for our faithfulness in this life.
"Receive for the wrong he has done" sounds like a loss of rewards to me.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Mysteryman]

Wouldn't you know it, I have another verse to share. ;)

Colossians 3:25 - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done : and there is no repsect of persons" :yes

Bless - IN Christ - MM

I believe this means in this life we will suffer the results of our sins. It has nothing to do with a future judgement.

A child of God has ALREADY been judged and found not guilty in Christ.

True, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. :yes
I think it could be here and in the future...when we're rewarded for our faithfulness in this life.
"Receive for the wrong he has done" sounds like a loss of rewards to me.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Hi daz

Yes, I agree, this means a loss of rewards. It also mentions this in the book of Galatians 6: 7,8,9

 

[Mysteryman]

Wouldn't you know it, I have another verse to share. ;)

Colossians 3:25 - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done : and there is no repsect of persons" :yes

Bless - IN Christ - MM

I believe this means in this life we will suffer the results of our sins. It has nothing to do with a future judgement.

A child of God has ALREADY been judged and found not guilty in Christ.

Hi Richard

Well, I believe we can loose rewards . And here is where we need to be careful. Thinking that because we are in Christ we then are not held accountable because we have been pre judged. < Actually, this is not true. Our judgement is future. We were chosen from before the foundations of the world to be holy and without blame in Christ in love. Our being holy and without blame is based upon our spiritual seed of Christ in us. But this is not a type of judgement. It is a reality based upon the seed of Christ which was blameless. But we ourselves will be held accountable at the judgement seat of Christ.

Bless

 

[watchman F]

Wouldn't you know it, I have another verse to share. ;)

Colossians 3:25 - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done : and there is no repsect of persons" :yes

Bless - IN Christ - MM

I believe this means in this life we will suffer the results of our sins. It has nothing to do with a future judgement.

A child of God has ALREADY been judged and found not guilty in Christ.

True, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. :yes

''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Hyper Grace teachers say that this means once you get saved you cannot be condemned for anything you do. Yet they leave out the condition of this promise. The condition is walking in the Spirit and not the flesh. Those that walk in the Spirit will not sin therefore they indeed will not be condemned. We can see just how perverse the teaching of Hyper Grace is when you read the entire passage Romans 8:1-8 in context,
Romans 8:1-8
1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through our flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law God nor can it be.
8 So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The whole purpose of this passage is to explain that we must not continue to be led by our own flesh, lust, and desire. But that we have to let the Spirit of God lead us into the freedom from sin that He sent His Son to give us. Yet there are those that would use 1/2 of one scripture to say just the opposite. If that is not inspired by Satan, then nothing is.

 

[Boanerges]

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Only when we are walking in the Spirit (at the direction of, in submission to and in the power of) are we free from sin. Anything else is flesh. Fleshly works good or bad, outright distasteful or "religious" (yes the flesh sometimes loves to be religious and self justified)are still flesh.
So each step we take is either walking in the Spirit or the flesh and on that basis we can vacillate in and out of a sinful walk.
Jesus Christ was our perfect example. Though God He walked as a man . He did what He saw the Father do, spoke what He heard the Father say , was led of the Spirit and worked only in the power of the Holy Spirit. That is our calling and only as we abide in the Vine does the life of that Vine flow through us producing fruit acceptable to God.

 

[watchman F]

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Only when we are walking in the Spirit (at the direction of, in submission to and in the power of) are we free from sin. Anything else is flesh. Fleshly works good or bad, outright distasteful or "religious" (yes the flesh sometimes loves to be religious and self justified)are still flesh.
So each step we take is either walking in the Spirit or the flesh and on that basis we can vacillate in and out of a sinful walk.
Jesus Christ was our perfect example. Though God He walked as a man . He did what He saw the Father do, spoke what He heard the Father say , was led of the Spirit and worked only in the power of the Holy Spirit. That is our calling and only as we abide in the Vine does the life of that Vine flow through us producing fruit acceptable to God.

Amen!!!!!

 

[glorydaz]

There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Hyper Grace teachers say that this means once you get saved you cannot be condemned for anything you do. Yet they leave out the condition of this promise. The condition is walking in the Spirit and not the flesh. Those that walk in the Spirit will not sin therefore they indeed will not be condemned. We can see just how perverse the teaching of Hyper Grace is when you read the entire passage Romans 8:1-8 in context,
Romans 8:1-8
1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through our flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law God nor can it be.
8 So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The whole purpose of this passage is to explain that we must not continue to be led by our own flesh, lust, and desire. But that we have to let the Spirit of God lead us into the freedom from sin that He sent His Son to give us. Yet there are those that would use 1/2 of one scripture to say just the opposite. If that is not inspired by Satan, then nothing is.

I hope you're not implying I used half a verse for the purpose of deceiving. As you can see, I didn't quote a verse, I stated a fact.

You're claiming there is no condemnation for those in Christ, AND who walk not after the flesh. You're adding to the Word of God.

Those who are in Christ are filled with the Spirit and they can still follow their flesh...which is sin. All immature believers walk after the flesh for quite some time. They still sin more often than not. That's why they're called babes in Christ. For you to claim there is condemnation until they walk in the spirit every moment of every day is error. What the verse says is those in Christ.. who walk after the spirit. Those who walk after the flesh are unregenerate....not new creatures. Do believers still sin and follow their flesh...yes, they do, but they are saved by having the Spirit within...by being born again. To be carnally minded is referring to unregenerate man...not those who have been born again of the spirit and for whom Christ has condemned sin in the flesh.

Those who have been born again have the mind of Christ. You may think man can not sin or ever walk after the flesh in order to not be condemned, but you're wrong. That is the lie of satan...not those who know we are saved by grace through faith.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

[chestertonrules]

[quote="glorydaz ]


You're claiming there is no condemnation for those in Christ, AND who walk not after the flesh. You're adding to the Word of God.

Those who are in Christ are filled with the Spirit and they can still follow their flesh...which is sin. All immature believers walk after the flesh for quite some time. [/quote]


You are right that there is no condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST. However, there are conditions that keep us in Christ. We can be cut from the vine. It is not that he is adding to the Word of God, but that you are subtracting from it.


John 15
5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

 

[glorydaz]

You are right that there is no condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST. However, there are conditions that keep us in Christ. We can be cut from the vine. It is not that he is adding to the Word of God, but that you are subtracting from it.


John 15
5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

And, of course, you know exactly what that verse means. ;) I suggest you don't.
Here are some who found Jesus's sayings too hard...many people follow Jesus for awhile and are not born again. Abide means to stay with...some will not forsake all and remain. They have not drawn sustenance from the vine.

This is why people must be born again of the Spirit...a new creature.

But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

As the vine-dresser will remove every unfruitful branch from the vine, so will God remove every unfruitful member such as Judas, the unbelieving Jews, the apostatizing disciples, and all false and merely nominal Christians, who are superficially attached to the vine... like Judas, but never receive spiritual nourishment from it. They don't live in his life and Spirit, nor do they bring forth fruit to the glory of God.

We were reconciled to God by the death of Jesus...MUCH MORE, we shall be saved by his life.
We must partake of the resurrection...raised into newness of life and filled with the Holy Spirit in order to bear fruit.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The Word (Christ) is what abides in the born again believer...not just those that sprout up for a time showing forth no fruit. "If they had been of us...they would "no doubt" have continued.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[chestertonrules]

9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

And, of course, you know exactly what that verse means. ;) I suggest you don't.
Here are some who found Jesus's sayings too hard...many people follow Jesus for awhile and are not born again. Abide means to stay with...some will not forsake all and remain. They have not drawn sustenance from the vine.

][/quote]


Jesus tells us how to abide in his love.


If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love



What if you don't obey the commands of Jesus? Will you remain in his love?

 

[watchman F]

There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Hyper Grace teachers say that this means once you get saved you cannot be condemned for anything you do. Yet they leave out the condition of this promise. The condition is walking in the Spirit and not the flesh. Those that walk in the Spirit will not sin therefore they indeed will not be condemned. We can see just how perverse the teaching of Hyper Grace is when you read the entire passage Romans 8:1-8 in context,
Romans 8:1-8
1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through our flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law God nor can it be.
8 So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The whole purpose of this passage is to explain that we must not continue to be led by our own flesh, lust, and desire. But that we have to let the Spirit of God lead us into the freedom from sin that He sent His Son to give us. Yet there are those that would use 1/2 of one scripture to say just the opposite. If that is not inspired by Satan, then nothing is.

I hope you're not implying I used half a verse for the purpose of deceiving. As you can see, I didn't quote a verse, I stated a fact.

I am saying you have simply repeated what you have heard, and it was satan that caused those that you have heard to quote and teach that verse incorrectly.

 

[watchman F]

There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Hyper Grace teachers say that this means once you get saved you cannot be condemned for anything you do. Yet they leave out the condition of this promise. The condition is walking in the Spirit and not the flesh. Those that walk in the Spirit will not sin therefore they indeed will not be condemned. We can see just how perverse the teaching of Hyper Grace is when you read the entire passage Romans 8:1-8 in context,
Romans 8:1-8
1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through our flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law God nor can it be.
8 So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The whole purpose of this passage is to explain that we must not continue to be led by our own flesh, lust, and desire. But that we have to let the Spirit of God lead us into the freedom from sin that He sent His Son to give us. Yet there are those that would use 1/2 of one scripture to say just the opposite. If that is not inspired by Satan, then nothing is.

I hope you're not implying I used half a verse for the purpose of deceiving. As you can see, I didn't quote a verse, I stated a fact.

You're claiming there is no condemnation for those in Christ, AND who walk not after the flesh. You're adding to the Word of God.

Actually just the opposite, When i say walking after the Spirit is a condition to the promise of no condemnation, I am saying exactly what the word says.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

For you to say anything else would be a misrepresentation of the word.

 

[Mysteryman]

I wonder if anyone has considered I Corinth. 3:15 - "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire"

Bless

 

[chestertonrules]

I wonder if anyone has considered I Corinth. 3:15 - "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire"

Bless

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.

 

[Mysteryman]

I wonder if anyone has considered I Corinth. 3:15 - "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire"

Bless

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.

Purgatory ? Is this a relgious place that is not mentioned in the scriptures ?

Are you claiming your holiness upon yourself, based upon your own ability ?

Who are these holy men you speak of ? I only know of one > Jesus

 

[watchman F]

I wonder if anyone has considered I Corinth. 3:15 - "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire"

Bless

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.

Purgatory ? Is this a relgious place that is not mentioned in the scriptures ?

Are you claiming your holiness upon yourself, based upon your own ability ?

Who are these holy men you speak of ? I only know of one > Jesus

Well I am pretty sure Paul, Peter, and the rest of the Apostles and martyrs were holy when they died. Where they holy every moment of their lives like Christ? No, but where they holy when they died? I am sure they were.

 

[chestertonrules]

I wonder if anyone has considered I Corinth. 3:15 - "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire"

Bless

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.

Purgatory ? Is this a relgious place that is not mentioned in the scriptures ?

Are you claiming your holiness upon yourself, based upon your own ability ?

Who are these holy men you speak of ? I only know of one > Jesus

Purgatory is not necessarily a place, it is a process. It is our final purification.

All men must be holy before seeing God.

Heb 12:14
Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.â€

 

[Mysteryman]

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.[/quote]

Purgatory ? Is this a relgious place that is not mentioned in the scriptures ?

Are you claiming your holiness upon yourself, based upon your own ability ?

Who are these holy men you speak of ? I only know of one > Jesus[/quote]Well I am pretty sure Paul, Peter, and the rest of the Apostles and martyrs were holy when they died. Where they holy every moment of their lives like Christ? No, but where they holy when they died? I am sure they were.[/quote]

Hi Watchman

Don't you think that that is just a little presumptuous of you to make such a claim ? Isn't that kind of judgement call totally up to God and not you ?

I want to believe that God see's them as being holy, but I am not going to make any such claim to the fact .

If every man falls short of the glory of God, I am sure that they did also. So I think we must be careful not to make any statements that hold only assumptions .

 

[Mysteryman]

That relates to the final purification, more commonly known as purgatory. We must be holy to see God. Some Christians are holy when they die.[/quote]

Purgatory ? Is this a relgious place that is not mentioned in the scriptures ?

Are you claiming your holiness upon yourself, based upon your own ability ?

Who are these holy men you speak of ? I only know of one > Jesus[/quote]



Purgatory is not necessarily a place, it is a process. It is our final purification.

All men must be holy before seeing God.

Heb 12:14
Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.â€[/quote]

Hi

So your use of this word "purgatory" is only a religous word ? I know it is not biblical.

Why do you think I mentioned I Corinth. 3:15 ? I know that I didn't mention it because of some purgatory falsehood. Final purification ? You mean we are not pure in the state of our salvation now ? You think that there is a further process before we can enter into the presence of God ?