Site Map from Hell

[Kathi]

Sometimes I think of it as Hell 1 and Hell 2.

It is all hell and it is all bad.Very bad.

 

[reba]

KevinK clarifying ones views or understanding of some words can be most helpful is discussion forums..
Over the years i have head hell described as everything from separation from God to forever burning..

 

[turnorburn]

According to this article people have heard people screaming during a volcanic eruption, years ago i heard about a team in Russia hearing screams coming from deep beneath the earths crust..

“Caspar Peucer, a famous fourteenth century astronomer and physician, who also researched and documented the volcanoe eruptions at Heklafell wrote some very frightening information in his research findings. Peucer, claims (as others) that “fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth” could be heard “for many miles. . .” as these volcanoes erupted:

“Out of the bottomless abyss of Hekla fell, or rather out of Hell itself, rise melancholy cries and loud wailings, so that these can be heard for many miles around . . . there may be heard in the mountain fearful howling, weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)

http://hellandheaventestimonies.wor.../hell-in-relation-to-volcanoes-and-mountains/

tob

 

[Kathi]

According to this article people have heard people screaming during a volcanic eruption, years ago i heard about a team in Russia hearing screams coming from deep beneath the earths crust..

“Caspar Peucer, a famous fourteenth century astronomer and physician, who also researched and documented the volcanoe eruptions at Heklafell wrote some very frightening information in his research findings. Peucer, claims (as others) that “fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth” could be heard “for many miles. . .” as these volcanoes erupted:

“Out of the bottomless abyss of Hekla fell, or rather out of Hell itself, rise melancholy cries and loud wailings, so that these can be heard for many miles around . . . there may be heard in the mountain fearful howling, weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)

http://hellandheaventestimonies.wor.../hell-in-relation-to-volcanoes-and-mountains/

tob

I could image that is what you could hear in hell.Horrible unhuman like howling,uncontrollable weeping and gnashing of teeth from the pain.

 

[turnorburn]

Its unimaginable terror Kathi.. Jesus came to save us from that place he took upon himself our punishment he took upon himself his Fathers wrath he did the work he drank that cup he did it all.. there is no greater love than the love of God..

tob

 

[Kathi]

Its unimaginable terror Kathi.. Jesus came to save us from that place he took upon himself our punishment he took upon himself his Fathers wrath he did the work he drank that cup he did it all.. there is no greater love than the love of God..

tob

Someone told me once at a Sunday school that if we as humans should experience what they experience in hell we could not endure even the sight of it.But I don't know how they know that.

 

[KevinK]

KevinK clarifying ones views or understanding of some words can be most helpful is discussion forums..
Over the years i have head hell described as everything from separation from God to forever burning..

I just wanted to clarify for myself how I look at things for the moment. If someone comes along with a better idea, I'm open to modifying my views. The Lord knows how often I've already done that over the years.

I was taught in parochial school there was no physical hell, that hell only designates a state of separation from God. Well, it certainly is that (and I experienced that separation during my OOB. Bad. It is very bad.) But I now think it is also a place of physical (if that's the right word) torment. The fires are literal fires, etc. One of the greatest deceptions of the New Age is the false teaching that hell doesn't exist as a physical place. It does, I went there.

 

[Kathi]

I just wanted to clarify for myself how I look at things for the moment. If someone comes along with a better idea, I'm open to modifying my views. The Lord knows how often I've already done that over the years.

I was taught in parochial school there was no physical hell, that hell only designates a state of separation from God. Well, it certainly is that (and I experienced that separation during my OOB. Bad. It is very bad.) But I now think it is also a place of physical (if that's the right word) torment. The fires are literal fires, etc. One of the greatest deceptions of the New Age is the false teaching that hell doesn't exist as a physical place. It does, I went there.

That is just a lie from Satan.

 

[KevinK]

That is just a lie from Satan.

I often wonder how much of the New Age stuff is satanic fabrication.

 

[Kathi]

I often wonder how much of the New Age stuff is satanic fabrication.

Probably alot.

 

[KevinK]

The majority of New Agers deny even the existence of Hell (I personally know this is incorrect) or say it's only a state of separation from God (it is, but not "only"). Some say that Jesus Christ is only one path of salvation, and that there are numerous paths up the same mountain. I used to think that way, but no longer do. JC is the only way. For me, at least. Everyone else can do what they want, but if you don't have JC, I don't think we'll be going to the same place. I do wonder if soulmates are real.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

....Elysium, where happy souls lived after death.

I've been in charismatic churches where happy souls seemed to be from an asylum.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...uncontrollable weeping and gnashing of teeth from the pain.

The pain of overwhelming grief and sorrow, not physical suffering, IMO.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The majority of New Agers deny even the existence of Hell...

But a loving God would not lock up and punish criminals, right?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I was taught in parochial school there was no physical hell, that hell only designates a state of separation from God.
[...]
I now think it is also a place of physical (if that's the right word) torment.

I can't think of any reason why a state of separation from God can't also be a physical place without physical torture. Why does being in a state of separation from God have to mean that punishment can't be in a literal physical place?

 

[jocor]

There seems to be different world views on this. Here's what I currently work off of:

HELL: a convenient general term that can cover several different places in the afterlife, all uncomfortable.

SHEOL/HADES: Sheol is Hebrew, Hades is Greek for the current abode of the damned. It is a place of conscious torment and torture. There are cells, cubicles, torture rooms, and a "small" lake of fire (see Gehenna below). Originally constructed only for Satan and his minions, it has come to be "dual-purposed" for the internment of unsaved human beings.

TARTARUS: the lower "basement" of Sheol, contains torment of such magnitude it is beyond normal human comprehension. Interred are the worse of the demons, and...? (Rumored to be so bad as to cause instant insanity if even revealed to a human being.)

GEHENNA: named after a burning refuge dump near Jerusalem, this is the "big" Lake of Fire into which all of Sheol and its contents will be dumped post Judgment. Not sure if sentient beings will remain sentient, or be consumed beyond consciousness.

I know others have markedly differing ideas on Hell's definitions and architecture. This is a working model for me, and I'm perfectly willing to hear your ideas.

HELL - Everyone goes to hell. It is the abode of the dead; the grave. Nothing more. It is an old English word used for Sheol and Hades meaning to cover or hide. People used to cover potatoes with dirt during winter to preserve them. It was called "helling potatoes". The dead are covered with dirt in the grave. They are in hell.

Tartarus - This is a holding place for fallen angels until they are judged. Nothing is said in Scripture concerning any kind of torment they are experiencing other than being bound in darkness. I suppose that could be excruciating as it was to the Egyptians undergoing the plague of darkness.

Gehenna - The Lake of Fire. Humans that are thrown in Gehenna are destroyed (Mt 10:28). They are not tormented forever. Spirit beings like Satan seem to be tormented forever, but other verses suggest he will be reduced to ashes (Ezek 28:18-19).

 

[Butch5]

KevinK clarifying ones views or understanding of some words can be most helpful is discussion forums..
Over the years i have head hell described as everything from separation from God to forever burning..

I agree Reba, that's why I try not to use the word hell. Everyone seems to have their own idea of what the word means. Since the Bible uses three different names for these three different places I use the Bible names for them, it helps eliminate any confusion.

 

[TimothyW]

I agree Reba, that's why I try not to use the word hell. Everyone seems to have their own idea of what the word means. Since the Bible uses three different names for these three different places I use the Bible names for them, it helps eliminate any confusion.

I agree, the word "Hell" is confusing. It translates at least 3 different words in the Bible, and when the word "Hell" is used, it is used inconsistently. Sometimes "Sheol" is translated "Hell" and sometimes it isn't.

We shouldn't use the word "Hell" anymore, we should say whatever the Bible says. Sheol, Hades, or Gehenna. That would start to reduce the confusion.

 

[Willie T]

Well, since some of you seem to be quite concerned about going to Hell, and what it will be like........ where is the paperwork you are signing up for to choose which Hell you'd prefer to go to? I mean, much of this thread sounds like you think you might have some choice in this.

Me, I'm headed for whatever Heaven will be.... but even there, I don't think I get to pick and choose which level or which room I want to be housed in.

 

[Willie T]

I agree, the word "Hell" is confusing. It translates at least 3 different words in the Bible, and when the word "Hell" is used, it is used inconsistently. Sometimes "Sheol" is translated "Hell" and sometimes it isn't.

We shouldn't use the word "Hell" anymore, we should say whatever the Bible says. Sheol, Hades, or Gehenna. That would start to reduce the confusion.

And yet, we swear all the rest of the translated words we hang so much doctrine on are precisely accurate renderings of THOSE words. Remarkable bit of logic we have working there.