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And yet, we swear all the rest of the translated words we hang so much doctrine on are precisely accurate renderings of THOSE words. Remarkable bit of logic we have working there.
This is the reason I study Greek. The better my understanding of the original words that my doctrines are based on, the better my doctrines are bound to be. I would never assume to have perfect knowledge, I would certainly hope that we all could learn more. I would also like to read Hebrew, but I haven't managed that yet. There is so much to learn and so little time for it all.
 
The pain of overwhelming grief and sorrow, not physical suffering, IMO.
Oh yes,the worse physical suffering that anyone on this earth could ever imagine.But the pain will not kill them.They will have to endure this physical pain and suffering for an eternity,forever and ever.I am sure alot of people would like to believe that is it only grief and sorrow.But that is only a lie from Satan.That may be the case in Hades before they are thrown into hell but not hell.
 
Well, since some of you seem to be quite concerned about going to Hell, and what it will be like........ where is the paperwork you are signing up for to choose which Hell you'd prefer to go to? I mean, much of this thread sounds like you think you might have some choice in this.
Who's doing that? The purpose of this thread was to air out semantic differences, simply so we can communicate a little more clearly with each other (for example, I noticed that Kathi and I use the word "hell" differently).

Also to explore God's universe a bit. I believe that is a mandate. We are not just supposed to believe in God, but try to get to know Him better. What better way than to explore His cosmos, including the dark side.
 
We are not just supposed to believe in God, but try to get to know Him better. What better way than to explore His cosmos, including the dark side.
The way we get to know God better is to learn and meditate on the fruit of the Spirit. That's what being a Christian is ALL about. We don't please God just because we know about him and the universe he created. We please God because we are like him. That is how we show that we know God, and that he knows us. Hell might be an interesting topic, but it is not one that when educated about it makes one more pleasing to God.
 
The way we get to know God better is to learn and meditate on the fruit of the Spirit. That's what being a Christian is ALL about. We don't please God just because we know about him and the universe he created. We please God because we are like him. That is how we show that we know God, and that he knows us. Hell might be an interesting topic, but it is not one that when educated about it makes one more pleasing to God.
You are very close to making a straw man argument. The main reason for this post is to air out semantic differences. Let's not take peripheral comments and blow them out of proportion. That's really the definition of derailing a thread.
 
I think that a lot of people are very,very afraid of hell deep down inside.It comes out in different ways.
 
I think that a lot of people are very,very afraid of hell deep down inside.It comes out in different ways.
That's a good insight. It's like talking about death. The talk starts to get a little crazy.
 
You are very close to making a straw man argument. The main reason for this post is to air out semantic differences. Let's not take peripheral comments and blow them out of proportion. That's really the definition of derailing a thread.
You started it. :lol
 
I think that a lot of people are very,very afraid of hell deep down inside.It comes out in different ways.
Why do you think the religious leaders invented the concept of "Hell"? We are SUPPOSED to be afraid of it. Without that fear, their control flies out the door.
 
Why do you think the religious leaders invented the concept of "Hell"? We are SUPPOSED to be afraid of it. Without that fear, their control flies out the door.
Literal fire, or not, why shouldn't any normal person be afraid of being eternally separated from God? My fear of not going to be with God when I die is what moved me to salvation. This is gospel 101.
 
You started it.:lol
I made the original peripheral comment, but you focused on it instead of the main topic and blew it out of proportion (with ideas I totally disagreed with, by the way). You started it. :lol

Also, I was responding to Willie T, not you. I think Willie is capable of speaking for himself.

Bottom line: my thread, my topic. And the topic is the various terms used for hell. Let's all focus on that.
 
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Sorry for the length as I to hate to read a long post too, but had to put this all into one.

We have always been taught hell is a place where non-believers in God go to for eternity, but according to scripture this is not what hell is. Hell is described as the world of the dead, a place where departed souls go that have died as being lowered in a grave/pit. There they are kept until the return of Christ to either stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment for those who are not found written in the Lambs Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15, or those who have died in Christ that will stand in his judgment to give an account for the things done here on earth, 2 Corinthians 5:10.

God gives us a description as in fire and brimstone which can be used literal as in Sodom and Gomorrah burned to ashes and as a metaphor for torment, suffering, punishment or as Matthew 8:12 describes it as outer darkness. The New Testament description is a bottomless pit (abyss) (Revelation 20:3), a lake (Revelation 20:14), darkness (Matthew 25:30), death (Revelation 2:11), destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), everlasting torment (Revelation 20:10), a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30), and a place of gradated punishment (Matthew 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; Revelation 20:12-13), everlasting fire Matthew 25:41, everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Strong's Exhausted Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell
Greek # 1067 Gehenna, the Valley of the sons of Hinnom South of Jerusalem, figuratively and literal of place of punishment.

The English word hell, back in 1611, meant about the same as Hades, that being covered or unseen as in grave/pit. We do not see those in the grave as they are unseen to the eye as they are covered with dirt, or some placed in a tomb. The word hell is derived from the Saxon helan, to cover, and signifying merely the covered, or invisible place. The habitation of those who have gone from the visible terrestrial region to the world of spirits.

Jude 1:7 clearly states an example of eternal fire. This is the same Greek word that is used for everlasting fire and everlasting punishment as used in Matthew 18:8 and Matthew 25:41,46 (Notice: The place, as no real name is given, where the unsaved go is everlasting punishment, and not everlasting punishing. The punishment is eternal in its results, not in its duration.

Unquenchable fire is a fire that cannot be quenched or put out until everything in its path is burned up.

Gehenna - Valley of Hinnom, Old Testament as Gai Ben-Hinnom, Tophet, in the Talmud as Gehinnam

The oldest historical reference to the valley is found in Joshua 15:8, 18:16 which describe tribal boundaries. The next chronological reference to the valley is at the time of King Ahaz of Judah who sacrificed his sons there according to 2 Chron. 28:3. Isaiah does not mention Gehenna by name, but the burning place, Isaiah 30:33 in which the Assyrian army are to be destroyed, may be read Topheth, and the final verse of Isaiah which concerns the corpses of the same or a similar battle, Isaiah 66:24 , where their worm does not die. Also read Jeremiah 19:6-8 as a reference to the dead bodies that are thrown over the wall of Jerusalem into Gehenna/Tophet.

Flavius Josephus describes in his book of wars:
Now the seditious at first gave orders that the dead should be buried out of the public treasury, as not enduring the stench of their dead bodies. But afterwards, when they could not do that, they had them cast down from the walls into the valleys beneath. (War 5.12.3).

Matthew 5:29, 30; Mark 9:43-48 Jesus uses the prophetic symbolic of Gehenna as the worm did not die there, meaning that there were always new maggots going through their life-cycles, feeding on the dead corpse. Also note Isaiah 66:24.

In my own minds eye I see the lake of fire as a place where those who have rejected God, whether they be good or bad people, burning in a torment (fire and brimstone could be a metaphor for torment) of having to see those who have heard the call of God and have accepted Him and now live in a place of paradise with all the fullness of God in all His glory. No more tears, no more hurts, pain sickness, etc, etc. Those in the lake of fire are outside the realm of God continuing in all their sin, sickness, hurts, pain tears, etc. etc., but can see those who are in the glory of the Lord like looking through a window and wanting what others have, but will never have it and this is their torment for eternity as they are constantly consumed with the fire that burns in their souls for what they have rejected and now to late to receive.

God said that he would that none should perish, but those who have rejected God and His word are those who will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity by their own choice, even if they do not believe in Heaven or Hell, we believe because we know that Gods word is truth and does not come back void in our lives.
(Hosea 4:6,7; Rev 21:1-8; Rev 20; Rev 20:11-15)
 
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