Slain in the Spirit

[Mysteryman]

Hi Free


Because ---- All scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, and correction, which is instruction in righteousness[/quote]

Yes, I agree; no one is saying otherwise. But that has nothing to do with your argument and its lack of support. It is error to use that verse to support any notion that every spiritual experience or every way in which God speaks and ministers to believers must therefore be found in the Bible or it is not of God.[/quote]



Hi Free

Are all other christians who do not believe this to be a righteous act, suppose to assume that this is a righteous act based upon nothing ? Supported by nothing, other than someone's say so ?

Obviously people who allow themselves to go through this experience have a reason for allowing this in their lives. So please share with us all what the profit is by doing this. And by which authority from God is this given . Yet never mentioned in the scriptures !

 

[Free]

So please share with us all what the profit is by doing this.

This has already been done in this thread.

 

[Mysteryman]

So please share with us all what the profit is by doing this.

This has already been done in this thread.

Please point out which poster explained the "profit" of doing this act of one being slain in the spirit, would you please ?

Also remember, this is happening within christian congregations, and only a specific few do this. So not all do, nor do all of them allow this, which shows the church is not united with this type of ministering.

 

[Free]

So please share with us all what the profit is by doing this.

This has already been done in this thread.

Please point out which poster explained the "profit" of doing this act of one being slain in the spirit, would you please ?

Sure. From the first page, a post to which you even replied:

"I have been slain in the spirit many times, it is not a trick (at least not in my case, I'm not saying there aren't charlatans). While "slain" I have been enveloped in the love of God and been "strengthened with might by His Spirit in my inner man.""

Also remember, this is happening within christian congregations, and only a specific few do this. So not all do, nor do all of them allow this, which shows the church is not united with this type of ministering.

In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of differences in both doctrine and practice between denominations and even churches within the same denomination. You said earlier that you believe in tongues. Well, most people who don't believe in being slain in the Spirit don't believe in tongues either. There is hardly unity anywhere, at least within Evangelicalism.

If you want to use unity as a basis for determining the truth of a matter, then we have to throw out nearly everything.

 

[Mysteryman]

Free

I have been reading through this thread. And all I have read so far are personnal experiences. What I am saying, in case you are not grasping my replies here. Ministers are the one's who are ministering this slaying in the spirit. People who go to these meetings are expecting this. Anyone who expects something, is preparing their minds for this experience. Their minds are already preped for the experience, thus making this type of ministering easy to perform on those who are not strong in the scriptures.

Some say they are healed , while others say this or say that, which makes no sense whatsoever. Are they being ministered by being slain in the spirit for physical healing, or for spiritual healing ? And if it is for spiritual healing, then these who allow themselves to be ministered too in this manner, have a spiritual problem. Either with spiritual influences or possession. Yet, not one poster even suggested this. All we read, is that they themselves are their own witness of their own experience. Some say healing and or some type of spiritual enlightenment.

And I do not read anything from these posters what exactly their ministers are telling them. Nor do we read anything specific for all of this falling down .

Like I said, within the Word, healing does not include falling down and loss of one's faculties (mental and physical). And the "only" record within the Word I know of, when a young man fell down as dead, was when he was healed by the casting out of many devil spirits.

The only "actual" slain in the Spirit that I know of, that is biblical, is in Acts 5 of Ananias and Sapphira. Here in Acts 5:5 and Acts 5:10 < Both were literally slain in the Spirit ! Dead !

 

[awaken]

My personal experience...I have been through a prayer line..and nothing happen. I did not go through the prayer line in unbelief..I went in totally open to what God is capable of doing and willing to accept it.

But because I did not experience something..does not mean I do not believe that God is capable of what others have shared with me. I believe God..not man..can minister to me anyway he choses. Most of the testimonies I have heard from friends...are not devilish! The devil does not make you love God more...make you want to know him more...to search the scriptures more...

It was in my search for truth in the scriptures..that I have shared...that I see in them that God ministered to certain ones in a trance or sleep. THis is what most of my friends explain happens to them...

 

[Mysteryman]

My personal experience...I have been through a prayer line..and nothing happen. I did not go through the prayer line in unbelief..I went in totally open to what God is capable of doing and willing to accept it.

But because I did not experience something..does not mean I do not believe that God is capable of what others have shared with me. I believe God..not man..can minister to me anyway he choses. Most of the testimonies I have heard from friends...are not devilish! The devil does not make you love God more...make you want to know him more...to search the scriptures more...

It was in my search for truth in the scriptures..that I have shared...that I see in them that God ministered to certain ones in a trance or sleep. THis is what most of my friends explain happens to them...

Hi

All you are telling us are the personnal experiences of others. Again , they are their own witness.

The scriptures do not support this being slain in the Spirit , unless one is prepared to die ! ? ! ? Or become possessed !

The adversary will try by any means to deceive.

Everything within scripture that is of and from God is established twice - Acts 10 - Peter and Cornelius

Yet, there is not one place in scripture to support this, not one !

 

[Free]

I have been reading through this thread. And all I have read so far are personnal experiences. What I am saying, in case you are not grasping my replies here. Ministers are the one's who are ministering this slaying in the spirit. People who go to these meetings are expecting this. Anyone who expects something, is preparing their minds for this experience. Their minds are already preped for the experience, thus making this type of ministering easy to perform on those who are not strong in the scriptures.

First, you are once again making an unsupportable assumptions, namely, that people who are slain in the Spirit are getting themselves to a point where such an expectation arises that they essentially cause it themselves (which undoubtedly happens but one cannot rationally say that that is the case in all such occurences) and that such people are weak in the Scriptures.

Some say they are healed , while others say this or say that, which makes no sense whatsoever. Are they being ministered by being slain in the spirit for physical healing, or for spiritual healing ? And if it is for spiritual healing, then these who allow themselves to be ministered too in this manner, have a spiritual problem. Either with spiritual influences or possession.

Again, more assumptions, not to mention that everyone has spiritual problems.

All we read, is that they themselves are their own witness of their own experience. Some say healing and or some type of spiritual enlightenment.

And who else witnesses personal experiences other than the person?

Like I said, within the Word, healing does not include falling down and loss of one's faculties (mental and physical). And the "only" record within the Word I know of, when a young man fell down as dead, was when he was healed by the casting out of many devil spirits.

The only "actual" slain in the Spirit that I know of, that is biblical, is in Acts 5 of Ananias and Sapphira. Here in Acts 5:5 and Acts 5:10 < Both were literally slain in the Spirit ! Dead !

And like I've said, that it isn't mentioned in Scripture does not mean that it is not of God, nor does it mean that there is no healing.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Free : "First, you are once again making an unsupportable assumptions,"


Free

This is not the first time you have made this comment. Yet, you can not support your view either !

At the very least, I have given much scriptural support against this type of suggestive healing .

What have you brought to the conversation supporting your view ? Nothing ? !

 

[Free]

Quote Free : "First, you are once again making an unsupportable assumptions,"


Free

This is not the first time you have made this comment. Yet, you can not support your view either !

At the very least, I have given much scriptural support against this type of suggestive healing .

What have you brought to the conversation supporting your view ? Nothing ? !

You have given no support whatsoever, for any of your arguments against being slain in the Spirit. I have clearly stated from the outset that it isn't mentioned in Scripture and there can be no support either way for it. All I have attempted to do is show the fallacies in your position, which I have done. I haven't attempted to do anything else, including supporting my position, since I haven't even given my position.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Free : "All I have attempted to do is show the fallacies in your position, which I have done."


Hi Free

First, you have not shown any fallacies in my position. Second, this appears to be a very high minded comment.

 

[Free]

Quote Free : "All I have attempted to do is show the fallacies in your position, which I have done."


Hi Free

First, you have not shown any fallacies in my position. Second, this appears to be a very high minded comment.

I have shown many fallacies in your position and you have failed to address all of them. Please go back and reread this thread. I do not want to do it for you and have to, again, copy and paste the info that is already there.

 

[Mysteryman]

Mark 3:11 - "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried , saying, Thou art the Son of God"

Luke 8:27 & 28 - "And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devil spirits long time, and ware not clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs" -- "When he saw Jesus he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high ? I beseech thee, torment me not"

It would be short sighted of me not to comment on Luke 8:27 * 28 and what happened to this man after the devil spirits left this man. He was sitting up and clothed - verse 35. And Jesus told him to go to his own house and show the great things that God hath done unto him. Which he did according to what Jesus told him - verse 39. Him being possessed was not some secret. His healing was obvious and Jesus sent him to make a show of his healing of these devil spirits.

I thought this pertains as well - Proverbs 25:14 - "Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain"

Proverbs 14:5 - "A faithful witness will not lie ; but a false witness will utter lies"

Proverbs 19:5 - "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape"

Psalm 119:104 - "Through thy precepts I get understanding : therefore I hate every false way" < Repeated in verse 128 !

II Thess. 2:9 - "Lying wonders"

Matthew 24:24 - "For there shall arise false Christs , and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders ; insomuch that, if its possible, they shall deceive the very elect"

 

[jasoncran]

i guess all testimonies must be demonic since there arent mentioned in the bible word for word. ie a drunk template, a liar template, a thief template and ad ifinitum

 

[faithtransforms]

Quote Free : " My main point with this was that it is fallacious to therefore conclude that it isn't of God, as you have done. This is all I have said."


Hi Free


Yes, I know

Now show that it is of God.

All the scriptures I have given show clear evidence that being slain in the Spirit is being an example of possession. You loose your faculties by being slain in the Spirit.

Now , if you are going to defend being slain in the Spirit. Please show us from scripture , where what I have shared is wrong.

To this I would only say that you DO NOT lose your faculties when you are slain in the Spirit. If you do, that COULD BE possession. Satan always has a counterfit. I will have to search the scriptures on this. The only one I can think of now is in Revelation, where John fell to the ground in the presence of an angel. But I can't seem to find the scripture right now. Anyway, angels are so close to God and are filled with his glory, and it knocked John off his feet. That is kind of like what being slain in the Spirit is. In the presence of the manifest shekinah Glory of God you cannot stand, and when you fall, you just bask in His Love and Light. You can get up at anytime. The Holy Spirit is a gentleman and He will NOT force himself on you. If you lose you faculties, I suspect that is not of God.

Also, I came from an occult background, conversing with "angels" that I now know were demons. When I got saved, I felt the Holy Spirit and His leading and His comfort and His power and His love, and as you would expect, it is totally different than what it felt like talking to demons. That's one of the reasons I have confidence that I have discernment in this area, I have experienced both. I KNOW what a demon feels like, and I know what the polar opposite...our teacher, comforter and guide, the Holy Spirit. Because I have experienced both, I think I have a certain discernment that people without an occult background might not have. I'm not saying they don't have discernment at all. I just think my experiences (and I'm sure the experiences of many others) give me a unique perspective on this.

 

[jasoncran]

that angel was thought to be the messiah , john fell because he thought that angel to be the messiah. not because of the fear(dread). when John saw jesus in the vision he fell out of fear. and the Lord told him be not afraid.
its true that most angels cause that. i think that they having that affect because of the glory that is reflected from the lord through them.

 

[faithtransforms]

I would also have to say there are a number of things the scripture is silent on, yet we accept them as truth. Masterbation for instance. Some may not believe it is a sin. I personally do. Sexual activity was created for pleasure and to create an even deeper bond between man and woman, and of course for procreation.

I would venture to say that most Christians believe it is a sin, yet scripture is silent on it.

 

[jasoncran]

I would also have to say there are a number of things the scripture is silent on, yet we accept them as truth. Masterbation for instance. Some may not believe it is a sin. I personally do. Sexual activity was created for pleasure and to create an even deeper bond between man and woman, and of course for procreation.

I would venture to say that most Christians believe it is a sin, yet scripture is silent on it.

wrong thread, this the slain in the spirit thread.

 

[faithtransforms]

I would also have to say there are a number of things the scripture is silent on, yet we accept them as truth. Masterbation for instance. Some may not believe it is a sin. I personally do. Sexual activity was created for pleasure and to create an even deeper bond between man and woman, and of course for procreation.

I would venture to say that most Christians believe it is a sin, yet scripture is silent on it.

wrong thread, this the slain in the spirit thread.

I know, I was just trying to address something that was said in this scripture in regard to scripture being silent on things. I'm not trying to start a conversation about masterbation, I'm just saying there ARE things that are not addressed in scripture that most of us maintain to be true.

 

[jasoncran]

ok.