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[NIGHTMARE]

Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

When "ha-adam" began to multiply,,,,,,the word "men" is translated "Ha-Adam" ,,,when ever you see "Ha" on "Adam" the particle is there so we are talking about a particular man Adam...

So when the Adamites began to multiply on the face of the earth,,,,and daughters were born....

Gen.6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Who are these "sons of God" they are angels,,,,they are not human,,,,they are not adamites,,,,,they are the angels Jude spoke of and the angels (sons of God) in Job.....

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.


Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

When we get to the NT we find

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

SO when Christ came he allowed us to become "sons of God" but in the Old testament we find "sons of God" is refering to angels supernatural beings not humans.....

Gen. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


GOd has just cut the lenght of days for man,,,,,120 years is be the max,,,,,A couple scholars say this was told to Adam when he was 810 and Adam of course died at 930 = 120 years...(maybe maybe not track your dates)......

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The word giant comes from nephil (Strong's No. 5303,,,(nephilim.)

SO there were giants in the day of Noah and after that,,,thats right after that ,,,,when the (sons of God)
angels,,,,,,,went into the daughters of Adam the created mighty men....Giants (Geber) (hybrids) (Freaks)

(Sons of God)=Angels went into the daughters of (Ha-adam) do we as Christians no what "went into " means????????? I would hope so,,,, for its the way we repopulate......

We have just learned that supernatural angels can lay with woman and actually create children (oversized freakish ab-normal children) but children nevertheless,,,,,but this should be no surprise in seeing how humans can eat angels food::::::

Psalms 78:25
Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

and angels can eat mans food

Genesis 18
1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.


SO why do people get so mad with the topic of Angels having sex with humans.........

 

[westtexas]

I have not really thought about this topic before. I looked in the commentaries I own ( Matthew Henry, Jamieson-Fausset-Brown, and Scofield Reference) on Gen. 6:2 and all of them disagree with your interpretation of this scripture. All of them equate the "sons of God" with the Godly line of Seth and equate the "sons of men" with the godless line of Cain. They all use as part of their reasoning Jesus' words in Matthew 22:30 that angels do not marry. I'm going to look into it a little further, the study of angels should be a good one.

Westtexas

 

[jasoncran]

look up jude on the nephifum , jude talks about the angels leaving the first estate. and the giants that roamed the earth after that unholy union.

jason

 

[Brother Lionel]

Hey Nightmare -
To answer your question, the sons of God that the bible refers to here is simply the bloodline of the faithful ones who "called on the name of the Lord". The daughters of men were the seed of the bloodline that did not serve the Lord but worshipped according to the bloodline of Cain which is shown in chapter 4. This bloodline was separated from God's chosen bloodline shown which is shown in chapter 5. When they "came together", their bloodlines crossed which produced "mighty men". These men of God were driven and influenced by the daughters of men and their customs to live on earth according to the dictates of their own consciouss as opposed to live according to God's way which is why God proclaimed "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh" (verse 3). When these sons of God started to marry and mingle with the daughters of men, the bible says that the wickedness of man grew to great lengths and that "every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". So these "sons of God" were men, not angels. Being that angels are only spirit (Psa 104:4), they can not mate with humans. Humans are the only beings in heaven and earth which God gave procreative abilities to according to the bible (Genesis 1:28). Angels are merely created beings created by God. They are powerful beings but God creates them, they do not "reproduce" (again Psa 104:4).

It is scientifically proven today that when two "peoples" of completely different cultures and different geographical positions in the world mate and breed together, their offspring is usually hybrids and are larger and taller in size. The offspring usually borrows the positive characteristics from both types of peoples. This can also be seen in animals. Have you ever heard of a Liger? Look it up. Furthermore, when cross-referencing the verse containing "sons of God" which is found in Genesis with other verses in the bible you find the following:

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1John 3:1, 2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[westtexas]

jude talks about the angels leaving the first estate

jason

These angels who Jude speaks about who were with Satan in his rebellion that Jude speaks about are currently chained in darkness awaiting Christ's judgement. You don't agree?

Westtexas

 

[Brother Lionel]

That is correct west texas

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I have not really thought about this topic before. I looked in the commentaries I own ( Matthew Henry, Jamieson-Fausset-Brown, and Scofield Reference) on Gen. 6:2 and all of them disagree with your interpretation of this scripture. All of them equate the "sons of God" with the Godly line of Seth and equate the "sons of men" with the godless line of Cain. They all use as part of their reasoning Jesus' words in Matthew 22:30 that angels do not marry. I'm going to look into it a little further, the study of angels should be a good one.

Westtexas

Forget the commentaries,,,,,you yourself read it pray on it and then look to commentaries if you are lead to....

What you have stated makes no sense,,,,You say the "sons of God" are the line of Seth.....

Well guess what ? the daughters of Ha-adam (Adam) are also in the line of Seth,,,,,,,So what you telling me is when the men in the line of Seth went into the line of Adam (which is the same line as Seth) they created Giants.....Its the same line....

Matthew 22:30 ???

23The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,

24Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:

26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.

27And last of all the woman died also.

28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Wes,,,this has nothing to do with what im talking about......In Matthew 20 they asked Jesus about marrying after you lived a flesh life.....They are discussing,,, living life,,,getting married dying,,,,going to heaven,,and marrying again......

When we die in this flesh life we dont marry again when we get to heaven,,,we become like the angels period........

Im talking about angels that choose not to be born thru flesh (Jude 6) came to earth,,,had relations with the daughters of Adam to pollute the bloodline of Christ.....


Your talking about humans that died.........

Im talking about angels that never were born.........

 

[jasoncran]

i will answer that as the giants did roam the earth and were judged, btw i dont put too much faith in mathew henry as if i recall that he doesnt believe in the miracles and the gifts of holy spirit after the time of the early church. the sons of god were they men or angels? i believe they were fallen angels, i disagree with the matthew henry on this.

but i'm learning not get too dogmatic on this one as i can see both sides on this one.

jason

 

[jasoncran]

personally l lean towards what i was orginally taught , the line of the son's of god were something of a human and angel, a giant, remember angels can take on human form. why would all those be killed if they were righteous, did they die off or were they judged, if they were good then why were killed? only the family of noah survived. what about those of seth, noah came from him, but those many others according matthew henry did too.it just doesnt add up. one line had to be evil while the other good, otherwise many more would be saved, they all were warned by noah. why only the eight.

wasnt noah the only one who found grace in the sight of the lord along with his family.

 

[westtexas]

As I stated earlier, I haven't really put any thought into this subject before. I intend to pray and study on this subject, I change my views continually as I learn more, but I've got to say that it's going to take alot more than has been presented so far to make me believe that the SCRIPTURES say that angels came to earth and populated a race of people with women.
Westtexas

 

[NIGHTMARE]

personally l lean towards what i was orginally taught , the line of the son's of god were something of a human and angel, a giant, remember angels can take on human form. why would all those be killed if they were righteous, did they die off or were they judged, if they were good then why were killed? only the family of noah survived. what about those of seth, noah came from him, but those many others according matthew henry did too.it just doesnt add up. one line had to be evil while the other good, otherwise many more would be saved, they all were warned by noah. why only the eight.

wasnt noah the only one who found grace in the sight of the lord along with his family.

All the other Adamics were polluted,,,,,all the other Adamics had either crossbred with the kenites (sons of Cain) or the fallen angels......

Genesis 6:9 Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."....

Noah wasnt perfect oin the sense he never sinned we all sin,,,,,but Noah and his family had not mixed with the fallen ones or the "sons of Cain"......

SO Because of this Noah would continue the line to the Savior (Christ)

 

[NIGHTMARE]

As I stated earlier, I haven't really put any thought into this subject before. I intend to pray and study on this subject, I change my views continually as I learn more, but I've got to say that it's going to take alot more than has been presented so far to make me believe that the SCRIPTURES say that angels came to earth and populated a race of people with women.
Westtexas

There are plenty of scriptures out there,,,and if your like me you wont mind finding them and changing your belief if lead by the spirit....Anyhow I tell you this,,,,If I am right about fallen angels on earth being with woman in Noahs day,,,,Then WATCH OUT!!!!!!

Cause Christ said

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Hey Nightmare -
To answer your question, the sons of God that the bible refers to here is simply the bloodline of the faithful ones who "called on the name of the Lord". The daughters of men were the seed of the bloodline that did not serve the Lord but worshipped according to the bloodline of Cain which is shown in chapter 4. This bloodline was separated from God's chosen bloodline shown which is shown in chapter 5. When they "came together", their bloodlines crossed which produced "mighty men". These men of God were driven and influenced by the daughters of men and their customs to live on earth according to the dictates of their own consciouss as opposed to live according to God's way which is why God proclaimed "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh" (verse 3). When these sons of God started to marry and mingle with the daughters of men, the bible says that the wickedness of man grew to great lengths and that "every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". So these "sons of God" were men, not angels. Being that angels are only spirit (Psa 104:4), they can not mate with humans. Humans are the only beings in heaven and earth which God gave procreative abilities to according to the bible (Genesis 1:28). Angels are merely created beings created by God. They are powerful beings but God creates them, they do not "reproduce" (again Psa 104:4).

It is scientifically proven today that when two "peoples" of completely different cultures and different geographical positions in the world mate and breed together, their offspring is usually hybrids and are larger and taller in size. The offspring usually borrows the positive characteristics from both types of peoples. This can also be seen in animals. Have you ever heard of a Liger? Look it up. Furthermore, when cross-referencing the verse containing "sons of God" which is found in Genesis with other verses in the bible you find the following:

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1John 3:1, 2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1)

To answer your question, the sons of God that the bible refers to here is simply the bloodline of the faithful ones who

So you believe that "Sons of God" refer to the faithful ones????

Well what are the faithful ones doing running around with satan????????

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

NO sir,,,,Faithful ones do not run with satan so please re-evaluate....

2)

Being that angels are only spirit (Psa 104:4), they can not mate with humans

Only spirit????? When Abraham had Sarah cook the meal,,,and the angels ate did they chew the food????? Being that angels are only spirit (Psa 104:4), they can not mate with humans Did it go down there throat??????? Did they digest it ??????? Did there bowels remove it?????

I dont believe you can tell me angels cant mate unless you can tell me how there digestive system works...

Do you believe angels are just floatin mist clouds????

The verses you posted on Sons of GOd are all NT except Hosea,,,and its not calling anyone a son of God yet.....SO like I said Christ made us sons of God,,,,,when you see "sons of GOd" in the OT its talking about angels....

It is scientifically proven today that when two "peoples" of completely different cultures and different geographical positions in the world mate and breed together, their offspring is usually hybrids and are larger and taller in size

Oh yeah if my 5:4 mexican friend mates with my 5:6 asian friend there going to make Shaquil O'neal...
Please put forth scientific evidence claiming this.....

 

[Brother Lionel]

So you believe that "Sons of God" refer to the faithful ones????

Correct.

Well what are the faithful ones doing running around with satan????????

They weren't "running around with satan", they simply mated with the daughters of men (from Cain's bloodline). Its not rocket science and its not an "ancient mystery" as you are portraying it to be...

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

NO sir,,,,Faithful ones do not run with satan so please re-evaluate....

Correct... :D

Only spirit????? When Abraham had Sarah cook the meal,,,and the angels ate did they chew the food????? Being that angels are only spirit (Psa 104:4), they can not mate with humans Did it go down there throat??????? Did they digest it ??????? Did there bowels remove it?????

Angels can take whatever form God determines them to take. In terms of reproducing, it isnt biblical. Now if you would like to believe that despite the fact that the bible says otherwise, be my guess...

Do you believe angels are just floatin mist clouds????

No, they are created beings that carryout God's bidding regardless if they appear in the form of light or men in clothes. Nothing more, nothing less...

The verses you posted on Sons of GOd are all NT except Hosea,,,and its not calling anyone a son of God yet.....SO like I said Christ made us sons of God,,,,,when you see "sons of GOd" in the OT its talking about angels....

Whats the difference? The Nt is just as important as the Old... That view supports the crazy logic that Jesus' teachings werent truth until He stated them in the NT.

Oh yeah if my 5:4 mexican friend mates with my 5:6 asian friend there going to make Shaquil O'neal...
Please put forth scientific evidence claiming this.....

Look up Eugenics...

 

[wavy]

The 'sons of God' is a circumlocution for 'divine beings' or 'gods'. That they are supernatural is obvious from the fact that their copulation with human women resulted in producing giant descendants. Giants don't result from natural human unions last I checked.


Finis,
Eric

 

[Brother Lionel]

So if these were "angels" or "gods" where are they today??? And can you show other scriptures to support this??

 

[wavy]

So if these were "angels" or "gods" where are they today???

I'm not interested in your irrelevant questions.

And can you show other scriptures to support this??

Certainly. Job xxxviii.7, Ps lxxxii; lxxxix.6-7, et al.

Finis,
Eric

 

[Brother Lionel]

I'm not interested in your irrelevant questions.

LOL!! Exactly, foolish...

Certainly. Job xxxviii.7, Ps lxxxii; lxxxix.6-7

So, where does it say they slept with women and breed giants??

Exactly. Now, the bible says that men are the sons of God also, which is more logical and practical in terms of procreation??

 

[wavy]

LOL!! Exactly, foolish...

No, your question is just plain irrelevant. If you believe it bears on the issue then by all means elaborate. 'LOL!!! Exactly, foolish' isn't much of a rejoinder.

So, where does it say they slept with women and breed giants??

In Gn vi.4.

Now, the bible says that men are the sons of God also, which is more logical and practical in terms of procreation??

Everywhere in the Hebrew bible where the 'sons of God' are mentioned it refers without exception to celestial beings, not to mention that it is common designation for divine beings in the parlance of languages cognate to Hebrew in the ancient Near East.

And as aforesaid, giants were the results of these unions. You failed to address that point.

Finis,
Eric

 

[Brother Lionel]

To which you have no biblical support for right??