Standing With Ukraine: The Blind Leading The Blind

[Fastfredy0]

While I don't consider Pres. Biden a medical professional, I do agree that there were some careless and untested claims made by the CDC. However, in their defense, they did come clean about it.

They cleaned it up when they got caught in lies that became too obvious to the public. The CDC is the supposed KING OF SCIENCE and yet made unfounded statements statements like "masks work" even though past test showed they do not or have nearly no affect. Their still not taking the blame for myocarditis, excess deaths that can't be explained, 70% of undertakers findings strange clotting in arterial systems. Then there were the threats on those that didn't get the shot because they lied that said people failure to get the shots would kill others. Just today the headline reads "

Chicago must rehire, pay back wages to workers punished over COVID-19 vaccination mandate".​

They threatened the livelihoods of several members of my family ... they gave my father-in-law shot against the will of his guardian and he had heart attack 3 days later.
...anyways, we all have bias ... I assume you vote democrat as you seem to be sympathetic and an apologist for their decisions. My guess is both Dems and Reps profited by buying shares of Pfizer and Miderna (sp?).

So yes, I still pretty much trust the U.S. government, can't say that for all governments, as far as they're have any direct influence in my life. I can prove it! I have my vaccination card. LOL!

Well, I didn't get the clot shot. We both have a bias. I'm glad I don't have mRNA floating around in my body which undertakers conjecture as causing weird materials to be found in blood stream of corpses.
....which brings to mind another lie ... that mild drugs like Ivermectin and hydrachoroquine (sp) wouldn't help and would even hurt people.
We are all pawns at the mercy of those with trust. Luckily, at least the US system makes it more difficult than other system to be as corrupt.

Heck ... they got people believing men can become women ... how much more proof do you need that the truth is an evasive thing in man

 

[Barbarian]

Russia never intended to do what they are doing.

Stumble into a deadly war of attrition that would wreck their economy and cause over a million young Russians to flee the country? No, I don't think that was what they expected.

Putin seems very put out that the rest of the world isn't hurrying to provide him a face-saving exit.

 

[Barbarian]

Russian population continues to plunge...

Russia sees historic population drop spurring demographic crisis amid war in Ukraine​

Russia sees historic population drop spurring demographic crisis amid war in Ukraine

Russia is in the midst of a historic population decline as it continues to grapple with infertility, high emigration, poor health statistics and the deadly war in Ukraine in what some have called Russia's "silent war."

news.yahoo.com

Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone​

Investment is down, labor is scarce, budget is squeezed. Oligarch: ‘There will be no money next year’​

Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone

Investment is down, labor is scarce, budget is squeezed. Oligarch: ‘There will be no money next year’

www.wsj.com

Continuing with the Ukraine war and mobilization efforts until the end of next spring would be "catastrophic" for Russia, Moscow demographer Igor Efremov tells Bloomberg. It would likely bring birth rates down to 1 million between mid-2023 and mid-2024, dropping the fertility rate to 1.2 children per woman, a low mark Russia hit only once, in the 1999-2000 period. "A fertility rate of 2.1 is needed to keep populations stable without migration," Bloomberg adds, and currently Russia is facing "immigration outflows" and serious questions about its "ability to attract workers from abroad."

Russia's 'catastrophic' missing men problem

Russia's 'catastrophic' missing men problem

news.yahoo.com

 

[Hidden In Him]

Continuing with the Ukraine war and mobilization efforts until the end of next spring would be "catastrophic" for Russia, Moscow demographer Igor Efremov tells Bloomberg. It would likely bring birth rates down to 1 million between mid-2023 and mid-2024, dropping the fertility rate to 1.2 children per woman, a low mark Russia hit only once, in the 1999-2000 period. "A fertility rate of 2.1 is needed to keep populations stable without migration," Bloomberg adds, and currently Russia is facing "immigration outflows" and serious questions about its "ability to attract workers from abroad."

I found the last piece both interesting and heartbreaking at the same time.

But from a prophetic perspective it supports a dream I once received. I originally thought it was simply the war machine that would be dismantled, but I forgot that manpower is also in integral part of that, and it appears both men and machinery are slowly being ground down together...

The Russians put women into uniform in WWII, and I suppose they could start trying more of that in the future, but I can't see women becoming the bulk of any modern nation's military, let alone an ancient one.

As a supporting force, yes. As the backbone of the Russian army? No. Too demoralizing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Stumble into a deadly war of attrition that would wreck their economy and cause over a million young Russians to flee the country? No, I don't think that was what they expected.

And the following right here is EXACTLY how I thought the war was going to go, from the day it started.

Budanov's forecast appears to fit with the consensus view among independent military analysts that Russia currently lacks the ammunition, military supplies and sufficient quantities of skilled, organized and motivated soldiers to make significant headway against Ukrainian defensive lines in Ukraine's east, where fighting is heaviest.

"Russia's lost about half of its tanks, its artillery fire is down, it doesn't have a productive base to make a lot of new equipment. And making new equipment isn't easy under sanctions. So it's going to have to take stuff out of storage," said Phillips P. O'Brien, a professor of strategic security studies at the University of St. Andrews, Scotland.

"Ukraine is stronger now than it was on Feb. 24 (2022). It's getting better systems. It's integrating a lot of NATO systems. Russia equipment-wise is weaker. It has less-well trained troops, less frontline equipment. The only thing it has more of is soldiers, but I'm not a huge fan of masses of untrained soldiers," he said.

If the last line is true, and that's the last thing Russia has going to its advantage, then even that advantage may start to dissipate eventually. They have been the attacker since the war began, and numbers of losses are always higher on that end, it's simply a matter of are the losses acceptable. In this case they will continue not to be. And what will Ukraine do? They actually don't need to do much of anything. The situation has been set up to slowly destroy the Russian machine, in manpower, in machinery, in production and economically.

People think things happen by accident in the earth, but they do so naively. That dream suggested this whole thing was planned out before the war even began, and is going exactly as it was designed to.

 

[Hidden In Him]

On this forum you won't have a problem as long as civility is practiced.

He will have problems if he keeps insinuating he is being "persecuted" when the reality is he is simply encountering opposition for spouting nonsense, LoL.

 

[Barbarian]

Ukraine is also being worn down. But there's a difference. Russian troops are dying for Putin's vision of a Greater Russian Empire. Ukrainian troops are dying for the survival of Ukraine as a nation and as a people.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Russian troops are dying for Putin's vision of a Greater Russian Empire.

Nah. Here is where we would disagree. Putin did have visions of a greater Russia, but there were also legitimate concerns over NATO encroachment. The West just played him through his own aspirations, and those aspirations are about to come crashing down around him if they haven't already.

Be careful about accepting the Western media apparatus's narrative. The globalists need your support so they can continue raping this country of its future as well.

 

[Riven]

I agree that it's possible for an entire nation could be under God's wrath. But if still happens one person at a time.

That would violate humanity's freewill, would it not? What form does this wrath take? Why are authoritarian nations like North Korea left untouched by God's wrath?

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey Phoneman, and good seeing you again.

Yeah, I do think it's pretty obvious that a certain narrative was being pushed from the beginning, and that always makes me leery of who our supposed "enemy" is supposed to be. I immediately start looking in the other direction at what they could actually be doing right that is causing so much mass hysteria and media brainwashing.

That said, everyone has their own viewpoint, and I try not to step on anyone's toes too hard. I know that some on this forum do not hold to my opinion, yet they are kind enough to offer me the courtesy of expressing my own view, so I do so respectfully. The truth will all be revealed eventually, and whatever isn't made plan in this life will be revealed in the next, so I just do my best to share what I know while allowing others the freedom and the liberty to see things differently until such time as God should reveal the things I see to them as well, or visa versa.

God bless, and good to see you are still doing well,
- H

The problem is that too many check their brains at the door of the church, and that's fine - but please...if these same people are setting themselves up as leaders, teachers, or preachers, holy smoke!

 

[Hidden In Him]

The problem is that too many check their brains at the door of the church, and that's fine - but please...if these same people are setting themselves up as leaders, teachers, or preachers, holy smoke!

Yes, but then there's a lot of people like that. Many also don't have much spiritual discernment, which is an even bigger problem, but those led by the Spirit will not throw the baby out with the bathwater. They will look for what is good, and in so doing remove what is bad.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hi Phoneman777

Well, being from a nation that also started out having to tear itself away from another, I can appreciate Ukraine's position. However, I have to look back at history to see if there are any signs that could be significant in this matter. One of the signs that is most telling to me, is that pretty much as soon as the Iron Curtain of Russian hardline Communist control went down, there were a lot of little nations that pulled away from mother Russia. The Soviet Union's collapse formed 15 new nations. So, I look at that and think, well, if the form of government and control in Russia is all good and everybody likes it...then why did 15 nations immediately spring up once the fetters of Russian control were loosed?

So, I just say that to say that maybe if Russia had been a better example of a fair governmental system, then maybe when the walls fell, the national boundaries would have stayed as they were before the fall. I just find it curious why we wouldn't support any nation that was struggling for freedom against another nation that had already lost the area and people of 15 new nations. Surely the casual observer would see that there is something wrong or possibly even evil in such a government system. If that's the case, then why shouldn't the supposed most free nation on the earth help another nation to achieve a similar freedom from a tyrannical despot government?

But the United States has only participated in money and arms, so far. I'm good with that and actually hope that the Ukrainian's can win this battle for their sovereign nationality.

BTW, I don't buy your business about the conflict not going as our major media sources are telling us that it is. The information released by the young man really doesn't address that issue. Can you produce for me the data that he released that showed the conflict not going as we're being told? Because here's what I found:

"Taken together, the documents underscore several of the overarching reasons why, many analysts believe, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has failed to secure a military victory in Ukraine after more than 13 months of war."

"Dozens of leaked Defense Department classified documents posted online reveal details of U.S. spying on Russia’s war machine in Ukraine and secret assessments of Ukraine’s combat power, as well as intelligence gathering on America’s allies, including South Korea and Israel."

I don't see a lot in any of that, that says that Russia is winning the conflict as opposed to what we're being told. So please, enlighten me. Copy and paste for me the parts of the leaked information that speak to the 'fake' news media reports that we're receiving concerning the Ukraine vs. Russia conflict.


God bless,
Ted

Ted, you've got first recognize Fake News before you can switch it off and switch over to Real News.

 

[Barbarian]

The CDC is the supposed KING OF SCIENCE

[/QUOTE]
You're being indoctrinated by people who don't know any better than you do. No one claimed CDC was king of anything. They just happen to have a lot of knowledgeable people, which is why they did such an effective job.

and yet made unfounded statements statements like "masks work" even though past test showed they do not or have nearly no affect.

You were lied to about that, also. Fact is, masks mainly protect others from your microbes (which is why surgeons wear them since Joseph Lister showed how infection works). You're over a hundred years behind the curve here. Instead of your conspiracy buffs, read the scientific literature:
J Travel Med 2021 Oct 11;28(7)
Unmasking the mask studies: why the effectiveness of surgical masks in preventing respiratory infections has been underestimated
Conclusions:
This work shows (1) that both theoretical and empirical evidence is consistent with masks protecting against respiratory infections and (2) that non-linear effects and statistical considerations regarding the percentage of exposures for which masks are worn must be taken into account when designing empirical studies and interpreting their results.

Their still not taking the blame for myocarditis,

Actually, they do. You see, people taking the vaccine actually have a lower rate of myocarditis and a much lower rate of death from myocarditis than those who did not:

Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis Using Hospital-Based Administrative Data — United States, March 2020–January 2021​

Weekly / September 3, 2021 / 70(35);1228–1232
Overall, myocarditis was uncommon among persons with and without COVID-19; however, COVID-19 was significantly associated with an increased risk for myocarditis, with risk varying by age group.

So another reason to be vaccinated. On the other hand:

Here’s all the data on myocarditis cases linked to COVID-19 vaccines

Experts stress the need for everyone to get vaccinated as the Delta variant spreads.

arstechnica.com

And no, "those doctors are all lying" is not a believable excuse.

Well, I didn't get the clot shot. We both have a bias. I'm glad I don't have mRNA floating around in my body

You'd be dead if you didn't. The only way your body can make new protein is by RNA floating around in your body. They lied to you about that, too. BTW, RNA in your cells has a very short lifetime, and as soon as it codes for a protein, it's broken down into nucleotides that don't do anything until converted back to your own DNA or RNA.

....which brings to mind another lie ... that mild drugs like Ivermectin and hydrachoroquine (sp) wouldn't help and would even hurt people.

The New England Journal of Medicine​

Toxic Effects from Ivermectin Use Associated with Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19​

Six of the 21 persons were hospitalized for toxic effects from ivermectin use; all 6 reported preventive use, including the 3 who had obtained the drug by prescription. Four received care in an intensive care unit, and none died. Symptoms were gastrointestinal distress in 4 persons, confusion in 3, ataxia and weakness in 2, hypotension in 2, and seizures in 1. Of the persons who were not admitted to a hospital, most had gastrointestinal distress, dizziness, confusion, vision symptoms, or rash.

These cases illustrate the potential toxic effects of ivermectin, including severe episodes of confusion, ataxia, seizures, and hypotension, and the increasing frequency of inappropriate use.

Toxic effects of Hydroxychloroquine:

Hydroxychloroquine (Oral Route) Side Effects - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

We are all pawns at the mercy of those with trust.

You're a sucker only as long as you let those guys lead you around. And no, they can't make men become women. Wise up.

 

[miamited]

Ted, you've got first recognize Fake News before you can switch it off and switch over to Real News.

Hi Phoneman777
Well, you see, there's a problem with that statement. How do you recognize 'fake news'? I mean really, what is it that you look for that assures you that any particular news source is spreading 'fake news'?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Barbarian]

Nah. Here is where we would disagree. Putin did have visions of a greater Russia, but there were also legitimate concerns over NATO encroachment. The West just played him through his own aspirations, and those aspirations are about to come crashing down around him if they haven't already.

It's the same dance we see from every autocrat. It all worked so well in Georgia. Surely, Ukraine would be as easy.

Then it wasn't. And he had no back-up plan. Nothing.

Be careful about accepting the Western media apparatus's narrative. The globalists need your support so they can continue raping this country of its future as well.

US big corporations are "globalists." They are just greedy and short-sighted.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Well, you see, there's a problem with that statement. How do you recognize 'fake news'? I mean really, what is it that you look for that assures you that any particular news source is spreading 'fake news'?

You usually can't ID a specific story as being fake news. You need three things to ID fake news usually. If the story is 1) BIG ENOUGH and lasts 2) LONG ENOUGH and 3) MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED then there may be enough coverage for you to find out various facts over time and involved people to leak/verify counter narratives. (granted: exceptions to these rules)
It also helps to have critical thinkers who do not have something to gain by going along with a particular narrative and possible something to gain for exposing fake news. A free and unbiased press helps (not that we have one).
So, when you have something like RUSSIAN COLLUSION, HUNTER BINDEN LAPTOP and COVID lasting many years and an interesting enough story to continually report/investigate and difficulty covering up truth due to so many individuals being involved, you have opportunity to verify the truth of the story.

here for example is a guy associated with the CDC telling Jordan Peterson how the federal health administration told various people how to manipulate 'cause of death' data in such a way as to elevate the number of death attributed to COVID.

Now, if a CIA hires someone to kill JFK then you are missing the third factor...many people involved leading to leaks of truth (not saying JFK assination was covered up)

 

[Jay G]

I agree that it's possible for an entire nation could be under God's wrath. But if still happens one person at a time.

Also, we're under persecution right now. It'll probably just get worse. I mean for Christians individually and as a religion.

On this forum you won't have a problem as long as civility is practiced.

The Bible says judgment starts in the house of God. Is it judgement or persecution? I can tell you this the church closure during covid was of God allowance, testing and trying the hearts of churches. I preached and warned at multiple churches and to couple of pastors direct months prior that God is going to shutdown the churches and the reasons why. I was not invited back. Some of these churches did not reopen. Good riddance. They are not doing anything for God. Church as you know it here will cease.

I do not see hardly any Christians preaching the gospel or standing for righteousness in America. Where are they? How can you suffer persecution if you are not preaching the gospel? Your in disobedience to The Master who gave an absolute new commandment that comes with the new covenant and with promises. Just as He gave Israel a new commandment that came with the old testament at the bitter waters.

Most Americans Christians do not even know what the gospel is. Many of them were converted from a compromised gospel...Say this little prayer... Congratulations you are now born again.

Abortion, sodomy and pedophilia, the witchcraft, which God hates, practiced through the American media, which has the average Christian bewitched.

I can think of one or two that are men of God standing upright. I see a whole lot of Christians laying down though. You have to stand to be in an upright position not laying down. In Revelations the first group casted into the lake of fire are cowards. There are many 'christians' in America are in for a big surprise.

And this my friend is one of if not the main reason God is pouring out His judgment on the US.

 

[Jay G]

I agree that it's possible for an entire nation could be under God's wrath. But if still happens one person at a time.

Also, we're under persecution right now. It'll probably just get worse. I mean for Christians individually and as a religion.

On this forum you won't have a problem as long as civility is pract

 

[Jay G]

Where are you spiritually? Specifically, is there house cleaning that you have ignored?

13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. 14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. 15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. 16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. 17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
(Is 59:13-17 KJV Strongs)

Sent from CadreBible

 

[miamited]

If the story is 1) BIG ENOUGH and lasts 2) LONG ENOUGH and 3) MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED then there may be enough coverage for you to find out various facts over time and involved people to leak/verify counter narratives. (granted: exceptions to these rules)

Hi Fastfredy0

Right! But what if those counter narratives aren't true? How do you discern that a counter narrative that might come out later, as you claim, is true or not?

I mean let's play the recent scenario of a stolen election.

Claims have been made that Dominion voting machines somehow changed the vote count from what was actually voted by the people using them. That story has been running now for quite a while, right? To date there isn't a shred of evidence to support the claim, but there are lots of people who have come out after the fact to claim that they do have said evidence, but no one has ever seen it.

Is any of that 'fake' news? Do you think the Dominion voting machines and systems changed the vote count?

God bless,
Ted