Standing With Ukraine: The Blind Leading The Blind

[GodsGrace]

He will have problems if he keeps insinuating he is being "persecuted" when the reality is he is simply encountering opposition for spouting nonsense, LoL.

He could believe he's being persecuted.
I think we all are.
As to the rest, I don't follow every thread all the way...
this would be one that I don't follow.
It might be nonsense, but to him it's not nonsense.

 

[GodsGrace]

That would violate humanity's freewill, would it not? What form does this wrath take? Why are authoritarian nations like North Korea left untouched by God's wrath?

It's like Romans 1....and the hardening of hearts.

North Korea doesn't WANT God.
So God leaves them to their own resources.
He removes His protecting hand.
It doesn't even require His wrath,,,it just requires the removal of His guidance, protection, etc.
The same with us.
If we don't follow God, it's not so much that He's mad at us....but we suffer from doing what is not His will....
His will is good for us...what is NOT His will is bad for us, and that's how we suffer for it.

Think of a married couple and one has an affair.
There are consequences.
Did God cause the consequences, or did the untrustful person cause them?

 

[GodsGrace]

That would violate humanity's freewill, would it not? What form does this wrath take? Why are authoritarian nations like North Korea left untouched by God's wrath?

Is your avatar supposed to be Keanu Reeves?
I can't place the movie, if it is.

 

[miamited]

to Phoneman777 and Fastfredy0

Just checking. Should I expect any replies to my queries regarding 'how' one determines that a news report or source is what is today popularly termed 'fake news'? I thought maybe I could finally figure out 'why' I don't understand things the way some seem to. Your responses seem to indicate that I'm somehow deficient in determining whether or not news is 'fake news' or not. You two really gonna leave a brother hangin'?

You need three things to ID fake news usually. If the story is 1) BIG ENOUGH and lasts 2) LONG ENOUGH and 3) MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED

Honestly these three things that Fastfredy0 is claiming identifies fake news seems pretty ambiguous to me. Big enough? What? Like it has to be a worldwide story or just needs to be some blockbuster like '50 year old has dinner with Santa Claus every night'? Long enough? Is this measured in hours, days, weeks, months, years? Does the story need to be soooo big that it sits on the banner of every news report for 5 years? Many people are involved? Like 10 or 10 million?

Then you close with...there are exceptions to these rules. So, now how do I know which ones are the exceptions and which ones are really 'fake news'? I just don't really see how someone can apply these rules to the discussion on this very thread and make some sure determination that any particular report or account of what's going on in Ukraine is a 'fake news' story or not.

So let's start there. Is this article 'fake news' or not:

Russian warns G-7 'idiots'; Russian mercenaries to stop taking POWs, 'kill everyone on battlefield': Updates

Moscow threatens to shut down the Black Sea Grain deal that helps feed much of the developing world if the G-7 decides to ban all exports to Russia.

www.usatoday.com

I bring this site up because it gives several of the recent updates on a number of issues revolving around the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Could you tell me which ones are fake and which ones are true (if any) and show your work as to how you determined that one was fake or true?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Fastfredy0]

Hey Miamited

Right! But what if those counter narratives aren't true? How do you discern that a counter narrative that might come out later, as you claim, is true or not?

I mean let's play the recent scenario of a stolen election.

Claims have been made that Dominion voting machines somehow changed the vote count from what was actually voted by the people using them. That story has been running now for quite a while, right? To date there isn't a shred of evidence to support the claim, but there are lots of people who have come out after the fact to claim that they do have said evidence, but no one has ever seen it.

Is any of that 'fake' news? Do you think the Dominion voting machines and systems changed the vote count?

All valid points.
My thesis is: In many instances it is not possible to know truth. Each instance is different and may have characteristics that make the knowledge of truth more likely.

Re: Dominion voting ... I guess is they are on the up and up ... I can't prove it... my evidence consists of Fox paiding them 3/4 of a billion in a law suit. (Aside: I think the system should be such that it can be audited to inhibit thoughts of cheating and instill confidence in voters)

My understanding of actual truth relies on others. I can partially verify many things I believe I know to be true. I.E. the speed of light, Christopher Columbus discovered America, the world is a sphere. Many things I can only take the word of others for.

Ben Shapiro - What you want to believe you tend to believe and you tend to look for excuses to believe it.

I trust the bible is 100% true... but when you dig deeply you will find that that statement has a glitch.... technically it is the books of the Bible as originally written is 100% true; leastwise, that is my truth. Our translations all have minor faults..... like you will only find John 5:4 in the KJV (and one other translation if I recall correctly)

Even God blinds/hardens people from truth
Exodus 4:21 I will harden his heart that he shall not let the people go
Exodus 10:1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants
2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God


What is truth?

 

[Riven]

It's like Romans 1....and the hardening of hearts.

North Korea doesn't WANT God.
So God leaves them to their own resources.
He removes His protecting hand.
It doesn't even require His wrath,,,it just requires the removal of His guidance, protection, etc.
The same with us.
If we don't follow God, it's not so much that He's mad at us....but we suffer from doing what is not His will....
His will is good for us...what is NOT His will is bad for us, and that's how we suffer for it.

Think of a married couple and one has an affair.
There are consequences.
Did God cause the consequences, or did the untrustful person cause them?

The individual who cheated would be responsible for the consequences.

Is your avatar supposed to be Keanu Reeves?
I can't place the movie, if it is.

Yes. He played the role of Johnny Silverhand in the game Cyberpunk 2077. He looks like John Wick in pretty much everything he's in now. Lol.

 

[GodsGrace]

The individual who cheated would be responsible for the consequences.

Correct.
We make our own consequences.

Yes. He played the role of Johnny Silverhand in the game Cyberpunk 2077. He looks like John Wick in pretty much everything he's in now. Lol.

LOL
He really looks like that in real life now. The long hair.
I don't do games so that's why I didn't know.
I thought it might be John Wick but the hand threw me off.
Thanks!

 

[jasonc]

Intel Leak Shows Us Nothing New Or Surprising About Ukraine

The recent Discord leak reveals just how significantly overclassified government documents and intelligence have become.

thefederalist.com

 

[jasonc]

That's why I go slow with the media on military matters.

 

[miamited]

Hi Fastfredy0

I think the system should be such that it can be audited to inhibit thoughts of cheating and instill confidence in voters

Question: Why do you assume that they can't be audited now? As far as I'm aware, the result tabulation from the voting machines has matched up to every audit that's been performed to date. I mean, what do you mean by 'audited'? That some little guy needs to live in the machine and check and double check what button or tab someone pushed in the immediate moment that such an action was performed? That's a bit unrealistic, don't you think, for the nation to tabulate several million votes by having someone, and what army of 3 million volunteers would you trust, sit and watch each person vote and verify their choice in the moment?

And you really think we can 'inhibit thoughts' of cheating. I'm not sure I'm interested or care about what people might think about cheating. I just want to make sure that there are safeguards in place that they can't. From the evidence that I have seen to this point, the safeguards that we have are sufficient. I mean, so far it has been shown that there is a less than 1% rate of rejection for whatever reason, in balloting errors or cheating attempts. I'm good with that and pretty satisfied that we're not miscounting or making up 'millions' of fake or bad ballots.

My understanding of actual truth relies on others. I can partially verify many things I believe I know to be true. I.E. the speed of light, Christopher Columbus discovered America, the world is a sphere. Many things I can only take the word of others for.

Wow! You're in trouble with current events if all your truths have to be proven by decades of experience. I mean those are all truths of the physical world around us, but the truths we deal with are spiritual and political and today. I'm honestly not comfortable with the idea of, "Well, in about 50 years we'll all know the truth. I'll bet ya that sonny!" The truths of what people are doing today in the world. I don't think we should always wait five years to determine what was truth back then five years earlier. Some things, especially to those caught up in the world, are of more urgent importance than that, to know the truth about a matter.

Ben Shapiro - What you want to believe you tend to believe and you tend to look for excuses to believe it.

I believe that to be true of most people. Not all, of course.

I trust the bible is 100% true... but when you dig deeply you will find that that statement has a glitch.... technically it is the books of the Bible as originally written is 100% true; leastwise, that is my truth. Our translations all have minor faults..... like you will only find John 5:4 in the KJV (and one other translation if I recall correctly)

Amen! God's truth is the only truth that we can be absolutely positively without the slightest doubt in the world is truth and it doesn't matter whether John 5:4 is in all translations of the Scriptures. The reason we don't find the passage in today's translation is that none of the earliest MSS includes it. But you are correct that it is the original MSS that we hold as without error and we strive to keep them pure throughout the generations, but alas, we don't have a single one, so no one can say whether John actually wrote down: "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

But it doesn't matter. It is of no value or consequence to the purpose God gave us His Scriptures.

What is truth?

I'm pretty sure I already answered that question.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

MSN

www.msn.com

Oh look! Another recent article touting the successes of Ukrainian forces against the Russian military. Must be another fake story, huh? Anyone have any proof that this one is fake?

God bless,
ted

 

[Rookie]

I know Imma be hated for this but anyways:

Ukraine isn't the victim, Putin is paying back Ukraine for the years of terrorism against Russians by nazi-je*** in Ukraine.

 

[hawkman]

MSN

www.msn.com

Oh look! Another recent article touting the successes of Ukrainian forces against the Russian military. Must be another fake story, huh? Anyone have any proof that this one is fake?

God bless,
ted

From the link you shared .

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook .

 

[Riven]

MSN

www.msn.com

Oh look! Another recent article touting the successes of Ukrainian forces against the Russian military. Must be another fake story, huh? Anyone have any proof that this one is fake?

God bless,
ted

Yeah. The fact that it's western news and even the Pentagon doesn't trust the news coming out of Ukraine. So why should we trust it?

Let's do some critical thinking. If Ukraine has been bleeding Russia white for over a year now, how is Russia still in the fight? One would think by now, if we are to believe the news, that Zalensky would have already forced the Russians out of Ukraine, and perhaps even launching a counter offensive into Russia itself.

This is nothing more than war time propaganda, in my opinion. Even if Russia is winning, which they probably are in some areas, do you think Zalensky would ever admit it? Of course not.

Just like Hitler never admitted to his fellow Germans that they were losing the war until the propaganda was contradicted by reality. That reality being Germans seeing with their own eyes Russian T-34 tanks rolling down the streets of Berlin.

 

[jasonc]

Yeah. The fact that it's western news and even the Pentagon doesn't trust the news coming out of Ukraine. So why should we trust it?

Let's do some critical thinking. If Ukraine has been bleeding Russia white for over a year now, how is Russia still in the fight? One would think by now, if we are to believe the news, that Zalensky would have already forced the Russians out of Ukraine, and perhaps even launching a counter offensive into Russia itself.

This is nothing more than war time propaganda, in my opinion. Even if Russia is winning, which they probably are in some areas, do you think Zalensky would ever admit it? Of course not.

Just like Hitler never admitted to his fellow Germans that they were losing the war until the propaganda was contradicted by reality. That reality being Germans seeing with their own eyes Russian T-34 tanks rolling down the streets of Berlin.

Honestly both sides did that in WW2.

You claim wpb county residence.look into Amy reporting of the sinking of ships off the coast and also the explosion heard.

You won't find it .the Germans did until the blimp base have that effect .

 

[Riven]

Honestly both sides did that in WW2.

Of course. You have to take the Russian newa with a grain of salt as well. Even if the news isn't completely fabricated, it's at least exaggerated.

 

[jasonc]

Of course. You have to take the Russian newa with a grain of salt as well. Even if the news isn't completely fabricated, it's at least exaggerated.

See my post written by an Intel officer .

He says both sides aren't really able or ready for a pro longer conflict

 

[Riven]

See my post written by an Intel officer .

He says both sides aren't really able or ready for a pro longer conflict

They dont have a choice. They've each put so their eggs in one basket.

 

[miamited]

Hi Riven

Yeah. The fact that it's western news and even the Pentagon doesn't trust the news coming out of Ukraine. So why should we trust it?

Well, that's a dangerous and likely incorrect determination your making as to 'why' and on what 'issues' is the Pentagon saying they don't trust the data. Have you got a link to what information the Pentagon might be referring to? But if that's what you believe, then so be it. I mean the Pentagon may well have some hesitation concerning some information that they are getting, but the troop losses and battle victories and losses are likely pretty accurate and that's been reported by others than just the Ukranian government. They have video evidence of hundreds of abandoned and destroyed armaments just left in place. Do you think Pres. Putin paid his soldiers to set that up so that Ukraine could get a good photo op?

So, get me some information on 'what' it is that the Pentagon is doubting, and we can look into this bogus claim of yours.

If Ukraine has been bleeding Russia white for over a year now, how is Russia still in the fight?

I know that you're not really that ignorant as regards nation conflicts so I'm going to just leave that question there for someone more stupid than myself to answer it for you. I mean you do know that Russia is a big, big country with lots and lots of people that the government honestly has little qualm with throwing several million into a meat grinder. You are familiar with the old Soviet Union and now Russian government operations...right? They beat Germany, even though the German army was much more skilled and armed than they were, but Germany's forces were divided on two broad fronts and couldn't match the 'manpower' the sheer numbers of Soviet soldier fodder could throw out. The Soviet Union was practically dead, when at the last minute God must have stepped in and given them a victory at Stalingrad. At that point the Soviet Union was literally hanging on by a pretty worn thread. So don't be so naive as to think that Pres. Putin won't keep this going, despite losses, until the last feeble, crippled, starving Russian soldier falls dead at someone's feet.

This is nothing more than war time propaganda, in my opinion.

That's exactly what it is your opinionated propaganda. LOL!

Just like Hitler never admitted to his fellow Germans that they were losing the war until the propaganda was contradicted by reality.

Surprisingly, I agree with you on that comparison, except that it's Pres. Putin who is doing all the parading about how great things are going when they actually aren't. But as I said earlier, this is America! Everyone gets to hold to whatever they believe is the truth.

God bless,
Ted

 

[jasonc]

They dont have a choice. They've each put so their eggs in one basket.

Retired doesn't .

But I guess despite my training in armor,anti armor and anti aircraft and other mos .I should believe you when I was trained to and trained by men destroyed Russian t80 , t72 tanks.

Seriously I know a few wel more knowledgeable veterans in aviation and armor and infantry who deployed and some that didn't .one being a m1 tank commander ,and armor company commander .

I highly doubt a t 80 could take hits from a tow 2b let alone the main gun of the m1a2 which has the ability to fire in the move .

Russian aircraft of the rotary type are flying tanks .their recoiless rifles are fornidable .

My post I mentioned goes into a neutral stance and isn't quite pro Biden but you rant against tucker who I did listen to on military things .I don't get it .

It's not like I didn't actually see and have Russian weapons on our base made fully operational and used against the Taliban.


I just see neither side as all that .the article says Russian military has issues but doesn't ignore that the Ukrainian side has it as well and that NATO isn't able to sustain a prolonged conflict with Russia

It's not like I didn't hold a cleareance and get what this guy meant about admission by zelenski .

I don't believe in despite my bad days of anger or depression , demoralizing troops.i still have young soldiers I taught serving.some are at my rank ,others out rank me . integrity I won't let go of.

Before I decide to insurrect and kill fellow Americans I best be sure if it's needed and ready to die .often it's the media division here and we'll

Blackrock owns parts of nbc,abc via Disney ,cbs,fox and the west street journal .

I'm not a fan of that but it doesn't always mean that the alternative sources are better .why they might also be plants by them .imho.