Standing With Ukraine: The Blind Leading The Blind

[Riven]

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Hey, here's more fake news for ya! I know it's fake because it doesn't mention there's green cheese on the moon that everyone knows is there. So it's fake alright. Oh, and they also don't mention anything about all the dead American and European soldiers that everyone also knows is going on, but the 'fake media' won't tell us about it and the 'real media' can't seem to prove.

God bless,
Ted

I told you he wasn't going to give up.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hi Phoneman777

Ok, well, if that's what's happening, then what are they doing with all of the dead American soldiers? Are they burying them over there or are they also sneaking them home to their grieving parents with the NDA that they never tell anyone how their child died? All the NATO soldiers that would likewise be dying are, suppose also sent back to their families only after they agree to an NDA. Right? Is that about how that works in your head?

So any news agency that isn't showing us all of these dead American and European soldiers are fake. Ok. See. That makes it so much easier. Thanks.

God bless,
Ted

Has the government/military ever lied to the American people in the past?

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey, I actually agree with you on that one piece of information.

God bless,
Ted

Which is why I don't trust much of anything ANY presidential admin says. Heck, I barely find it in me to trust even the local weatherman LOL

 

[Phoneman777]

I never thought I'd see the day when Tankies and Qanon adjacent people would be on the same side.

If you just swap globalist with Imperialist, it's the same talk8ng points.

So true. So many things are happening at breakneck speed that the foundations of all political philosophies are getting a good rattling.

Nothing makes sense until we recognize that the end game for globalists is not politics...it's RELIGION. And global religion will soon be the driving force to drive everyone into the one or the other of two camps, the one who accept the Seal of God, and the other the Mark of the Beast.

(No, Jesus isn't sneaking into town and sneaking out with the saints, leaving behind everyone else to endure a final "7 years of tribulation".)

 

[Milk-Drops]

So true. So many things are happening at breakneck speed that the foundations of all political philosophies are getting a good rattling.

Nothing makes sense until we recognize that the end game for globalists is not politics...it's RELIGION. And global religion will soon be the driving force to drive everyone into the one or the other of two camps, the one who accept the Seal of God, and the other the Mark of the Beast.

(No, Jesus isn't sneaking into town and sneaking out with the saints, leaving behind everyone else to endure a final "7 years of tribulation".)

I think you missed what I meant. I was saying your talking points looks similar to USSR/DPRK/Chinese communist apologist talking points

 

[miamited]

Has the government/military ever lied to the American people in the past?

Hi Phoneman777

What a silly question. Yes, the government has said things that have turned out not to be true. Yes there are some, very recent office holder in mind here, who make it there life's work to lie to the people. But does the government/military, (which btw is not the same thing) lie to the American people? Not as a regular course of their communication with the public in matters that they can talk about. I've never felt that the government/military lied to me.

Which is why I don't trust much of anything ANY presidential admin says. Heck, I barely find it in me to trust even the local weatherman LOL

Somehow, as I chuckle at reading that, I imagine that's very true. You do seem to suffer from trust anxiety issues and I thank God that that's not any curse that He laid upon me.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Riven]

You do seem to suffer from trust anxiety issues and I thank God that that's not any curse that He laid upon me.

Can confirm. It's not fun.

 

[Jay G]

There is no Nazism in Ukraine

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[Jay G]

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[Milk-Drops]

There is no Nazism in Ukraine

Ukraine: an absolute normal day in the theatre... In a Nazi performance. â¾70 years ago Ukrainians where the German Nazi underdogs, they collaborated in the Holocaust probably more than any other Europ

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So a 15 second video of a performance? Is it from a play? A political rally?


Look there has been no denial that there is a minority party (one seat) of Neo Nazis. They have no real power.

 

[miamited]

Can confirm. It's not fun.

Hi Riven

Yes, I can imagine. I mean look, I don't agree with everything that goes on in our government. I mean, let's be just a bit realistic, we're talking about the work of some several hundred thousand people that make up our 'government'. And as can be clearly understood in the past president's work to build a yuge wall that will be more beautiful than any other wall has ever been built since the beginning of time on earth, just because you're the president doesn't mean that you will always get to do what you want done.

But it's not something that a believer, as I understand what God asks of His children as we sojourn on the earth, to be anxious about. Sure, we live under the system of government that is defined as a democratic Republic, but it's a system, just like any other government system, that is fraught with issues of 'how' to run a group of some 330 million people. And of the more than 500 federal legislators, getting the government to run the way that one person wants it run isn't really a viable option.

We must be realistic and pragmatic about the reality of 'how' life is lived upon the earth. There is no nation where all the people are all happy and glad about every rule of law and 'how' every legislative issue is handled. And it certainly doesn't apply to any nation with millions of people.

So, over all, I'm satisfied with 'how' my government operates. I understand that I'm neither God nor the one in charge of all of how my government operates. But as I look over the globe, of all the governments conceived by men to run large nations of people, the U.S. government system is a reasonably fair system that does allow the people to have some input through their legislators. But often even a state's legislative agenda isn't what all the individuals of that state want.

I just say all that to say that I strive to live in peace over 'what' the U.S. government does. Yes, I dislike tax hikes as much as the next fellow, but I'm also pragmatic enough to know that governments have been collecting taxes to run their operations since at least the days of Matthew the tax collector. But even when God backed off from Israel and gave them a king to rule over them, He warned of the issue of the costs to have their own governance. My motto is that every country, state, municipality that exists within the borders of our nation, and most others, are funded through taxation. Also, as I look across all the nations of the earth, I see that our tax burden here in the States is not particularly onerous by comparison.

So, I try to see that most everyone is doing the best they can and accept that I'm not king and I don't get to make the rules. I strive to live by the rules as a rule and I trust that the government, overall, as God has told me, is there for my good. Oh, and I also try to show some compassion for those who are less fortunate. Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us. Personally, I think that's so God can see how we treat the broken and downtrodden...in our heart. Do we really love every man and woman on the face of the earth as a fellow God-created human being? Forget the national borders. The whole earth is the Lord's. The national borders just help us to show our hate and distrust of others who 'aren't like us'. I try to stay away from those kinds of attitudes in my heart. I believe that God asks us to love and care for everyone, not just believers, and not just those that are like ourselves.

Jesus said that he was leaving two commandments for those who love him to observe. Love God with all your heart and all that is in you. Love others as yourself. That's 'all' others, not just Americans, (for those in the U.S.). Yes, it's not always bright and sunny in my life, but I try not to be anxious and certainly don't feel 'distrust' for the general workings of the government that God has established to rule over me. So the bottom line is that you and I work under a different worldview as regards the place and purpose of earthly governments. That as a rule, they are not bad, but neither are they our own personal governments. They are tasked with trying to establish rules and laws and regulations for 330 million people.

BTW, I think it also appropriate to understand that even God was unsuccessful in getting Israel to honor His law and His rule over them. Even Israel wasn't all happy glad with how God established the first government of Isreal. They also grumbled and groaned under His leadership.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Rookie]

The Ukrainian people are the victims. Putin is merely doing what autocrats all eventually do. He surrounded himself with yes-men, and started believing them. Now he increasingly lashes out at innocent civilians to assuage the pain of reality.

Re-read my post

 

[Riven]

Hi Riven

Yes, I can imagine. I mean look, I don't agree with everything that goes on in our government. I mean, let's be just a bit realistic, we're talking about the work of some several hundred thousand people that make up our 'government'. And as can be clearly understood in the past president's work to build a yuge wall that will be more beautiful than any other wall has ever been built since the beginning of time on earth, just because you're the president doesn't mean that you will always get to do what you want done.

But it's not something that a believer, as I understand what God asks of His children as we sojourn on the earth, to be anxious about. Sure, we live under the system of government that is defined as a democratic Republic, but it's a system, just like any other government system, that is fraught with issues of 'how' to run a group of some 330 million people. And of the more than 500 federal legislators, getting the government to run the way that one person wants it run isn't really a viable option.

We must be realistic and pragmatic about the reality of 'how' life is lived upon the earth. There is no nation where all the people are all happy and glad about every rule of law and 'how' every legislative issue is handled. And it certainly doesn't apply to any nation with millions of people.

So, over all, I'm satisfied with 'how' my government operates. I understand that I'm neither God nor the one in charge of all of how my government operates. But as I look over the globe, of all the governments conceived by men to run large nations of people, the U.S. government system is a reasonably fair system that does allow the people to have some input through their legislators. But often even a state's legislative agenda isn't what all the individuals of that state want.

I just say all that to say that I strive to live in peace over 'what' the U.S. government does. Yes, I dislike tax hikes as much as the next fellow, but I'm also pragmatic enough to know that governments have been collecting taxes to run their operations since at least the days of Matthew the tax collector. But even when God backed off from Israel and gave them a king to rule over them, He warned of the issue of the costs to have their own governance. My motto is that every country, state, municipality that exists within the borders of our nation, and most others, are funded through taxation. Also, as I look across all the nations of the earth, I see that our tax burden here in the States is not particularly onerous by comparison.

So, I try to see that most everyone is doing the best they can and accept that I'm not king and I don't get to make the rules. I strive to live by the rules as a rule and I trust that the government, overall, as God has told me, is there for my good. Oh, and I also try to show some compassion for those who are less fortunate. Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us. Personally, I think that's so God can see how we treat the broken and downtrodden...in our heart. Do we really love every man and woman on the face of the earth as a fellow God-created human being? Forget the national borders. The whole earth is the Lord's. The national borders just help us to show our hate and distrust of others who 'aren't like us'. I try to stay away from those kinds of attitudes in my heart. I believe that God asks us to love and care for everyone, not just believers, and not just those that are like ourselves.

Jesus said that he was leaving two commandments for those who love him to observe. Love God with all your heart and all that is in you. Love others as yourself. That's 'all' others, not just Americans, (for those in the U.S.). Yes, it's not always bright and sunny in my life, but I try not to be anxious and certainly don't feel 'distrust' for the general workings of the government that God has established to rule over me. So the bottom line is that you and I work under a different worldview as regards the place and purpose of earthly governments. That as a rule, they are not bad, but neither are they our own personal governments. They are tasked with trying to establish rules and laws and regulations for 330 million people.

BTW, I think it also appropriate to understand that even God was unsuccessful in getting Israel to honor His law and His rule over them. Even Israel wasn't all happy glad with how God established the first government of Isreal. They also grumbled and groaned under His leadership.

God bless,
Ted

I had to step away from it for a while to regain my sanity. But at the day, what I see is a government that is self serving. They don't care about us unless it's election time. It could be worse. We could have no elections at all. Don't take me for being an ingreat or anything.

But more focus needs to be put on the homeland. We have real issues here that aren't being addressed because it isn't in government's interest to do so. Fix the border? Democrats don't want to do that because they want to change the demographics of the country for voting purposes. Republicans don't want to fix it because then they can't use it as a campaign issue. That's why they openly worked against Trump when he was trying to put words to action.

So this system of government that we have doesn't represent me at all. There was no democratic process with regards to all of these foreign interventions. I was never asked my opinion about Ukraine. Should we intervene? My answer would have been no, because we don't have a defense treaty with them, and they're not part of NATO. Simple as that.

But you'll notice that we're never asked and there's never a vote on what we should do. Probably because most Americans would oppose these wars, proxy or otherwise, and that's bad for buisness. So they tell the American people, "go f*ck yourselves" and they do whatever it is they want. It's beyond manufactured consent. There is no consent.

 

[Jay G]

So a 15 second video of a performance? Is it from a play? A political rally?


Look there has been no denial that there is a minority party (one seat) of Neo Nazis. They have no real power.

Out of mouth. You exposed yourself. You just acknowledged there is a nazi party in Ukraine.

Basically, You just demonstrated support for a country that embraces a nazi party. And tried to minimize it as a minor nazi party. Which is a false statement, nazi party is the majority all the way up to Mr. Zelensky himself.
That only leaves two options from your confession, closet nazi or nazi sympathizer. Which one is it?

I have good news. I love nazis. Although they are in darkness they are humans made in the image of God. I am willing to talk to the growing Christian nazis community whether they are open, closet or sympathize. I will not judge I will look to reason.

 

[Jay G]

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[Jay G]

14 years of shelling and counting.

Ukraine Shells School, Church, Kindergarten & Cultural center Russia & the Western Media Ignores It

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[Milk-Drops]

Out of mouth. You exposed yourself. You just acknowledged there is a nazi party in Ukraine.

Basically, You just demonstrated support for a country that embraces a nazi party. And tried to minimize it as a minor nazi party.

Wow, this is really reach8ng. The US also has a nazi party. I guess everyone here in the US is a Nazi now to.

Which is a false statement, nazi party is the majority all the way up to Mr. Zelensky himself.
That only leaves two options from your confession, closet nazi or nazi sympathizer. Which one is it?

I am neither of those. You need to demonstrate how Ukrain is mostly Nazi.

I have good news. I love nazis. Although they are in darkness they are humans made in the image of God. I am willing to talk to the growing Christian nazis community whether they are open, closet or sympathize. I will not judge I will look to reason.

Do you even know what a Nazi is?

 

[Riven]

Milk-Drops isn't a Nazi. Lol.

 

[miamited]

hi Riven

But at the day, what I see is a government that is self serving. They don't care about us unless it's election time. It could be worse. We could have no elections at all. Don't take me for being an ingreat or anything.

Yes, there are a lot of politicians that seem to be self-serving today. Get no argument out of me, but it's also an issue that I know the government has had to deal with for probably the last, what 300 years. Yes, it could be worse and likely will be, depending on who we put in charge over things. While I don't disagree with any of your complaint, I don't think that the issue is something that is new to our government system for at least the last 40 years. So, what do you do? When the presidential election comes up, you vote for whoever you think is the best candidate for the job.

If your candidate wins...great! But your life still won't be trouble free. If your candidate loses...sorry! But your life still won't be trouble free.

But more focus needs to be put on the homeland. We have real issues here that aren't being addressed because it isn't in government's interest to do so. Fix the border?

Yes, and as far as I can tell our issues are being addressed. Now, are they being addressed the way that you or I want them to be addressed?...well, maybe not so much. The border. Hey, our southern border has always been a problem and likely always will be. Look we have a sign hanging on our front door: "Give us your huddled masses yearning to be free..." We hoot and holler to the entire world what a great place we have to live and how absolutely rich even our poor people are, comparatively speaking. So, I'm not at all surprised that people from less fortunate government systems want to live someplace else on the earth. And people have pretty much moved freely on the earth throughout all of history...until the last couple of hundred years. Abraham moved halfway across the known world without so much as a passport!

And again, for me, Jesus compels me to love them. He asks me to love everyone. So, while I certainly believe that we need to have orderly and responsible immigration; for me that just means that we make sure to vet everyone attempting to move here.

Republicans don't want to fix it because then they can't use it as a campaign issue. That's why they openly worked against Trump when he was trying to put words to action.

Really? And you'd vote for someone who was that ornery? See, I want to vote for people who will put the well being of the nation above politics. So, that's what I'm looking for. Of course there are no candidates that one can know for sure is always going to do what is best for the nation, but there are signs that one can see. Especially in the historical record. And please understand that I also don't necessarily think that the one who is doing the best for the nation is the one who is doing the best for me. I understand that I'm just one pissant among 300 million others.

So this system of government that we have doesn't represent me at all. There was no democratic process with regards to all of these foreign interventions. I was never asked my opinion about Ukraine. Should we intervene? My answer would have been no, because we don't have a defense treaty with them, and they're not part of NATO. Simple as that.

Yes, and here's where one needs to step back and be a bit more pragmatic about how life works. If you're not 'in' government...no one is ever going to come and ask you how you feel about things. It's up to you to pull up your representatives email and tell them what your feelings are. But even then, there's no guarantee that your way is going to be 'the' way, in the end. Ultimately, none of it really much matters in the Kingdom of God, which is where I live.

Look here is a saying that is trustworthy and true...learn it!

Man's heart is wicked~!! Who can know it?

The Scriptures foretell that things are going to get a lot worse, so buckle up, friend.

Probably because most Americans would oppose these wars, proxy or otherwise, and that's bad for buisness.

Well, this is where you have to stop and remind yourself that we live in a democratic republic. Right now. Even a year after the start of the Ukraine conflict, 65% of Americans support our cause of their defense. I know it's a strong compulsion for us to think that everybody else is like me, but that often isn't true. So, as a democratic republic, then the U.S. is doing the right thing in Ukraine according to the will of the people. You don't have to be happy with it, but it is how life works in a democratic republic.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Jay G]

Wow, this is really reach8ng. The US also has a nazi party. I guess everyone here in the US is a Nazi now to.

I am neither of those. You need to demonstrate how Ukrain is mostly Nazi.

Do you even know what a Nazi is?

If you are a democrat yes you are a nazi. You can also be a right nazi but nazism historically is a left sided party.

Now you are asking for proof of nazi in Ukraine? Your trying to back track your confession. But for entertainment I will prove there is nazi in Ukraine. As far as proving there is Nazism in Ukraine here is my proof. You are my proof. Let me quote you, " Look there has been no denial that there is a minority party (one seat) of Neo Nazis. They have no real power."

Now I'm going to insist that you explain your statement above. and then when confronted attempt to mislead asking for proof of nazi in Ukraine. Your digging a bigger hole now. Best to come clean. Your not the only one on this portal if that makes you feel better. It's time to have that conversation. Jesus died for nazis too. I love them and want too see them saved.