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[Barbarian]

No. I said there are some differences between birds and non-avian dinosaurs.

IOW, "I said there are some differences between [non-dinosaurs] and non-avian dinosaurs."

No. I said there are some differences between birds and non-avian dinosaurs. As you learned, birds are avian dinosaurs. Remember you couldn't give me any specific differences between birds and other dinsaurs? There's a good reason you can't.

Why, Barbarian, are you so addicted to using your word, "birds," to refer to non-birds?

So far, I've only used "birds" to refer to birds. You may have me confused with someone else.

Why not also go about using the word, "squares," to refer to pentagons?

Here, you have a category confusion. "Dinosaur/bird" would be analogous to "Polygon/square."

 

[Barbarian]

"are the population"??

Not "is the population"?

Grammar flame. Cool, but you missed the point of it.

Incorrect use of 'are': "Are the population of cells alive?"

So now, you're accepting "population" as a singular living entity. Congratulations. You finally got it. I'm not trying to be devious, but it was important for you to get that before we go on.

 

[Barbarian]

Is a population an organism? Yes or No?

See above. You've now understood that a population is a living group of organisms. Just as you are a living population of living cells (with your independently-reproducing endosymbiotic mitochondria). Each of them is independently alive, with the population of all these cells being you (also alive).

We can go on, now.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

No. I said there are some differences between birds and non-avian dinosaurs.

IOW, "No. I said there are some differences between [non-dinosaurs] and non-avian dinosaurs."

As you learned, birds are avian dinosaurs.

IOW, "As you learned, [non-dinosaurs] are avian dinosaurs."

Remember you couldn't give me any specific differences between birds and other dinsaurs [sic]?

IOW, "Remember you couldn't give me any specific differences between [non-dinosaurs] and other dinosaurs?"

So far, I've only used "birds" to refer to birds.

IOW, "So far, I've only used "birds" to refer to [non-dinosaurs]."

Here, you have a category confusion. "Dinosaur/bird" would be analogous to "Polygon/square."

IOW, "Dinosaur/[non-dinosaur] would be analogous to "Polygon/[polygon]."

 

[Paul E. Michael]

I have asked you:

Is a population an organism? Yes or No?

Here, you are answering this question in the negative:

First, it's important to remember that organisms don't evolve; populations do.

If organisms "don't evolve," and populations "do," then populations are not organisms—a population is not an organism. That is you telling me that, No, a population is not an organism.

So, out of the one side of your mouth you tell me that a population is a living thing, while, out of the other side of your mouth, you tell me that a population is not an organism.

 

[Barbarian]

Apparently, Paul has changed his name to "IOW", and is now merely denying everything.

We'll just note that he still can't find even one characteristic by which birds differ from other dinosaurs.

And we'll move on, at least until he thinks of something.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

No individual is a population.

Here, you tell me that no individual is a population, and then you turn around and glaringly contradict yourself by saying:

Just as you are a living population of living cells

IOW, "Just as [an individual human is] a...population..."


That's your self-destroying Darwinistspeak at its finest, Barbarian.

• Barbarian, are you an individual? Yes or No?
• Barbarian, are you a population? Yes or No?

 

[Barbarian]

So, out of the one side of your mouth you tell me that a population is a living thing, while, out of the other side of your mouth, you tell me that a population is not an organism.

As you learned, usage includes populations of living things as being alive (remember the old rancher). Populations are not organisms, they are living entities composed of organisms. So are you, BTW.

Your mitochondria are not you. They are little bacteria that live inside your cells, reproducing by their own circular bacterial DNA, not yours. But neither they nor you can live apart from each other. You can't even think a thought without them.

Are they organisms? Or are you and they together an organism? You still can't answer any of the questions put to you so far. You haven't even attempted to do so. People are starting to wonder. It's particularly telling that even though you insist that birds aren't dinosaurs, you can't think of even one way in which they differ.

I really do think you might be a Poe, mostly because you're so reluctant to answer any questions at all. And there we are stuck until you can think of something, or maybe tell us that there are no essential differences. Your move.

Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, every parody of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Populations are not organisms, they are living entities composed of organisms. So are you, BTW.

A "living entity composed of organisms" is not an organism?

• Barbarian, are you an organism? Yes or No?
• Barbarian, are you a living entity composed of organisms? Yes or No?
• Barbarian, are you a population? Yes or No?

 

[Barbarian]

We're still waiting for you to tell us the essential differences between dinosaurs and birds. You claim that they are different things, but you seem completely unable to give us even one difference. Let's have you do that for us, first. When you can answer that, we'll go back to your questions.

I'm pretty much convinced you're a Poe, and you have no intention of actually answering. But maybe I'm wrong. Let's see what happens. Or if you don't actually know of any differences, maybe you could explain why you think they are different things.

Or if that's too difficult, you could answer the questions you ignored last time:

Your mitochondria are not you. They are little bacteria that live inside your cells, reproducing by their own circular bacterial DNA, not yours. But neither they nor you can live apart from each other. You can't even think a thought without them.

Are they organisms? Or are you and they together an organism? You still can't answer any of the questions put to you so far. You haven't even attempted to do so. People are starting to wonder. It's particularly telling that even though you insist that birds aren't dinosaurs, you can't think of even one way in which they differ.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

A "living entity composed of organisms" is not an organism?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Why can't you say whether or not a "living entity composed of organisms" is an organism, Barbarian?

• Barbarian, are you an organism? Yes or No?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Why can't you say whether or not you are an organism, Barbarian?

• Barbarian, are you a living entity composed of organisms? Yes or No?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Why can't you say whether or not you are a living entity composed of organisms, Barbarian?

• Barbarian, are you a population? Yes or No?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Why can't you say whether or not you are a population, Barbarian?

 

[Barbarian]

You've ignored enough questions. You claim that birds are not dinosaurs, but you can't come up with even one difference. So until you stand up and tell us one essential difference between birds and dinosaurs, you're stuck right here. You've been ignoring these for some time now:

Your mitochondria are not you. They are little bacteria that live inside your cells, reproducing by their own circular bacterial DNA, not yours. But neither they nor you can live apart from each other. You can't even think a thought without them.

Are they organisms? Or are you and they together an organism? You still can't answer any of the questions put to you so far. You haven't even attempted to do so. People are starting to wonder. It's particularly telling that even though you insist that birds aren't dinosaurs, you can't think of even one way in which they differ.

You're giving us more and more reason to think you're just some angry atheist, out to make Christians look dishonest. Meantime, if any other creationist here wants to step up and tell us an essential difference between birds and dinosaurs, I'd be happy to hear it. Anyone know enough to say?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)

You're giving us more and more reason to think you're just some angry atheist, out to make Christians look dishonest.

To whom are you speaking, there, Barbarian? Are you trying to say I'm not really a Christian, Barbarian?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

So until you stand up and tell us one essential difference between birds and dinosaurs, you're stuck right here.

Can you tell us one difference between whatever you'd call a "non-essential difference" between two things and whatever you'd call an "essential difference" between them?

Like I said, the fact that birds (the same as all their fellow non-dinosaurs) are not dinosaurs differentiates birds from dinosaurs. Don't you agree? Now, would you call that difference, "essential," or not? If so, why? If not, why not?

 

[T. E. Smith]

To whom are you speaking, there, Barbarian? Are you trying to say I'm not really a Christian, Barbarian?

No, you're just sounding like you're not one.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

No, you're just sounding like you're not one.

I'm "sounding like I'm not one" what?

 

[Barbarian]

So until you stand up and tell us one essential difference between birds and dinosaurs, you're stuck right here.

Can you tell us one difference between whatever you'd call a "non-essential difference" between two things and whatever you'd call an "essential difference" between them?

Sorry, no more bunny trails for you. If you can't tell us even one difference, why do you think they aren't the same thing? Until you get this fixed, you're stuck right here.

If you can't think of anything by which they differ, just say so. If you can think of something, just tell us what it is. Or you can keep making evasions.

Up to you.

 

[Barbarian]

Are you trying to say I'm not really a Christian, Barbarian?

I'm saying your continued evasions give the impression that you are merely here to make Christians look bad. It would be easy to show I'm wrong. You've repeatedly told us that birds are not dinosaurs. Just show us one way by which they differ.

What do you have?

 

[Barbarian]

Like I said, the fact that birds (the same as all their fellow non-dinosaurs) are not dinosaurs differentiates birds from dinosaurs.

I don't think stating your assumption in a different way is going to work for you. We see that you want us to believe that birds are not dinosaurs. Show us an essential feature that distinguishes them, and you're out of the box.

What have you got?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

You've repeatedly told us that birds are not dinosaurs.

You've repeatedly told us that non-dinosaurs are dinosaurs.

Just show us one way by which they differ.

Just show us one way by which non-dinosaurs are dinosaurs.