People in Him cut off by God for being fruitless vs people in Him being pruned for being fruitful.
Tasted Death for every Man !
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I can care less about what you did. This is all about Christ and what He did Heb 2:9-10
Christ saves the person, their will is included. When Christ saves a person He saves them from their sinful will, heart, He makes them anew !
I dont care what you didnt read, The verses declare that The ones Jesus tasted death for by it , brings them to Glory Heb 2:9-10 Not that they are given a choice on whether or not they go to Glory, its not their choice at all, its Gods will being done, Christ doing the will of the Father.
Those who are fruitless and cut off are so because they were not saved and know not the true gospel.
To be "in Him" is not key because it, standing alone, would only be of man's efforts not God's; instead, for God's words (the gospel) to remain in them so as make them fruitful, requires that God's be within in them: from/by God, are they made fruitful- so the key to it is God, not man. God abides only in those whom He has saved and made born-again. Should someone bring forth much fruit, all glory be to God.
[Jhn 15:4, 7 KJV]
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. ...
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
[Mat 7:18-20 KJV]
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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If they weren't in Him why the need to cut them off by the Father?
Your errant inference that men reborn of God's seed after having repented of sin will commit future sins is not of God.
Only the unrepentant will keep committing sins, showing that they are the devil's children. (1 John 3:10)
If you sin you are under the Law.
The Law was made for sinners, and by it is the knowledge of sin.
One can't tell a lie, kill, steal, or commit adultery, and then say it wasn't a sin because he isn't under the Law.
The commission of the sin manifests that he is under the Law.
If one is still committing sin, they are not victorious through the Lord Jesus Christ.
They are unrepentant children of the devil.
Their "temple" is still polluted, so the Holy Ghost will not reside there.
Do you believe that when a man is reborn, it is from God's seed ?
They were in Him of but themselves not by God - they were false Christians; that is, in Him through their intellect only, but not in Him through God's indwelling. Those who claim to be Christians but are not of the elect nor indwelt with the Holy Spirit, He makes fall away because they are not of His flock.
[Luk 8:13 KJV] 13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
[Luk 8:18 KJV] 18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have. to have.
Some of them.
The ones who turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin.
Those who want to keep committing sin, will profit nothing by Jesus' suffering and death.
Jesus died for all men, but not all men will partake of that death.
And you neither know nor understand what sin is.
Here again you choose to ignore that which is clearly stated in scripture. Pertaining to salvation, those saved are not under law and therefore, cannot sin a sin that it affects their salvation.
Everyone commits earthly sins yourself included, whether or not you realize it. However, regarding the sin that denies someone salvation, which sin everyone is born into and is guilty of, those saved by Christ, through His grace alone, were taken out from under the law which assesses, and thereby assigns, sin (the law of sin and death), therefore, in not being under that law, judgment can no longer be levied against them, because without law, there can be no sin.
[Rom 3:20-21 KJV]
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[Rom 3:24 KJV]
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
When someone is reborn of God, they are reborn through/by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit from having been saved.
They were elected for such by God from before the foundation of the world. Not everyone is. The sin they
no longer commit is to try to justify themselves by their own works and righteousness before God instead of trusting fully in the efficacy of the works and righteousness of Christ.
rogerg
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Exactly, the people Christ died for, when they hear it[the Gospel], receive it, they will bear fruit, thats guarenteed Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
No such thing as people not letting God do something, thats Blasphemy friend, and again:
Christ saves the person, their will is included. When Christ saves a person He saves them from their sinful will, heart, He makes them anew !
Oh No, every man of them, If Christ tasted death for them, it brings them to Glory Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
If you deny this, you deny the efficasiousness of Christs saving death, which is unbelief !
rogerg
Correct, them for whom Christ died, though they will still sin by the flesh, it shall not be charged or imputed to them to affect their Justification before God Rom 4:7-8
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Now this blessed man is any person for whom Christ died, their sins have already been imputed to Christ and taken care of legally before the Law and Justice of God.
Correct, them for whom Christ died, though they will still sin by the flesh, it shall not be charged or imputed to them to affect their Justification before God Rom 4:7-8
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Now this blessed man is any person for whom Christ died, their sins have already been imputed to Christ and taken care of legally before the Law and Justice of God.
Jesus stated His desire vs their will
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate
I chose life of my own free will. You have as well if you are in Christ.
This is your belief. I don't agree.
God predestined everyone else who is not elect to be eternally condemned.
Calvinism must consider the gospel message a formality since they believe they have no other outcome but salvation.
A formality is something that follows traditional rules. Even though you knew your request for time off at work would be approved, you still went through the formality of filling out all the required paperwork
A formality is something that follows traditional rules. Even though you knew your request for time off at work would be approved, you still went through the formality of filling out all the required paperwork