Tasted Death for every Man !

[brightfame52]

Sinners will perish in spite of Jesus providing His suffering and death to free them of sin.
Not all men want to be free, but the "get out of hell" card in available to them anyway.

You continue to deny and blaspheme Christs saving death sir.

 

[brightfame52]

You honestly should have included the rest of my remark
The rest was "...to those who won't take part in/of them."

People can see the rest of your remark, Im highlighting the Blasphemy. The rest of the remark doesnt cloak what you think about Christs death, that its worthless to save them He died for since, people He died for wind up in hell.

 

[brightfame52]

rogerg

If Christ's sacrifice was intended by God to cover all, how could God deny it to them after it was completed? It would be unjust of God to have demanded such a sacrifice from Christ, and yet, refuse to apply it to all whom it covers. Once completed, it would not possible that sin could remain in some sort of nebulous state, pending and depending upon someone else's further actions to initiate God's forgiveness - it is just not within man's power to achieve that - only Christ alone is recognized by God, man is not.

Yes Christ as Saviour is responsible for the application of His Saving Death, so it what He accomplished for them He died to save isn't applied to them, to the saving of their souls, everything He did as Saviour was worthless and defeated the purpose of God.

Also, the sinners Christ died for are already constituted righteous legally, so spiritual life is legally their due right, they must receive it since Christ has made them righteous and that cant be reversed, So its written Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Reconciled to God and Justified/forgiven are relatively the same thing, and that was accomplished by the Death of Christ, and is true even while we are enemies, unbelievers, however its promised that being reconciled, we shall be [promised] saved by His Life, that's experiential reconciliation, that's application of what is already a legal fact, its Spiritual life being applied, hence saved by His Life applied or imparted to us.

 

[rogerg]

You seem to be absolutely unaware that we are the ones who must hear, believe, repent of sin, and get baptized.
God's gifts are available to all men. (Heb 2:9)
But we must accept them for them to bear fruit unto God.

And you seem unable to grasp that salvation is only given to someone by God as fully and completely a free gift in all aspects and respects- with no demands made by God for it - it, coming with no preconditions nor requirements whatsoever other than God had chosen the person for it. And you, by insisting there is, attempt to take away God's glory and His sacrifice, thereby negating it, and give it yourself instead.

 

[Kermos]

Who did Jesus not die for ?

Jesus Christ did not die for the unbelieving dead Muslim man of 1502AD . Lord Jesus has had me make this abundantly clear to you in our correspondence regarding 1 John 2:1-2.

Jesus' propitiation for sin advocacy always succeeds (1 John 2:1-2), so that unbelieving dead Muslim man is not the "any man" nor a part of "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2, but you believe that the unbelieving dead Muslim man is the "any man" and a part of "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2 which your thoughts result in Jesus' propitiation for sin advocacy being a failure.

 

[Kermos]

You are still on the "man", intent on ignoring the "every" written before it.

The word "anyone" (1 John 2:1, NASB, or "any man" in the KJV) is translated from the Greek word τις (Strong's 5100 - someone, anyone) which is the singular declination of the Greek word, not plural, so this word translates more accurately to "someone" in 1 John 2:1-2.

This singular/plural distinction is of little consequence because in the event of a plural, such as "every man" (everyone) in Hebrews 2:9-10, the plural is made up of it's constituents, so the unbelieving dead Muslim man of 1502AD is not a constituent of the "every man"/"everyone" group mentioned in "but we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone for it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings" (Hebrews 2:9-10) since that Muslim man is not a son being brought to glory; otherwise, if you include the unbelieving dead Muslim man as a constituent of the group "everyone"/"every man" in Hebrews 2:9-10, then you hold to an evil belief that Jesus Christ's suffering of death failed to bring a son to glory.

Now that your writing there has been extinguished, let's return to where your writing leads for "anyone" and "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2.

Since you successfully testified that the unbelieving dead Muslim man of 1502AD is that "any man" and part of "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2 and then combining that with your testimony of "The Moslem didn't want advocacy" as shown in this post, then in effect your testimony is:

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous whose advocacy failed for the anyone identified as that unbelieving dead Muslim man, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of that unbelieving dead Muslim man who is part of the whole world.
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which is no longer the Apostle John's testimony recorded in 1 John 2:1-2. See that your testimony leads to the Jesus about whom you testify being an utter failure in His propitiation for the sins of that dead unbelieving Muslim man, even the Jesus of whom you testify about has a null, void, and dead advocacy! You just compare and contrast your testimony here with the Apostle John's testimony in the following paragraphs.

Let's look at the First Book of John's two passages that contain the phrase "the whole world", and this according to the Apostolic testimony of John in Truth (John 14:6):

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
(1 John 2:1-2)
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This is the first passage.

Behold, Lord Jesus Christ's advocacy always succeeds! Praise to the Living Lord and God Jesus Christ! Hallelujah and Amen!!

John the Apostle also testified:

The whole world lies in the evil one.
(1 John 5:19)
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This is the second passage.

The Apostle John testified using Christian writing, and based on context with Spiritual Truth (John 14:6), neither instance of "the whole world" means "all men" (everyone everywhere in all time).

In 1 John 2:1-2, the "anyone" and "the whole world" are exclusively composed of current believers and/or future believers.

In 1 John 5:19, "the whole world" is composed of people that never believe in Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

And you seem unable to grasp that salvation is only given to someone by God as fully and completely a free gift in all aspects and respects- with no demands made by God for it - it, coming with no preconditions nor requirements whatsoever other than God had chosen the person for it. And you, by insisting there is, attempt to take away God's glory and His sacrifice, thereby negating it, and give it yourself instead.

As Surety of Gods People Heb 7:22 Christ fulfilled all conditions that Salvation may be given, applied unto the Sheep

 

[Hopeful 2]

You continue to deny and blaspheme Christs saving death sir.

His death, 2 thousand years ago, will save only a small percentage of the world.
His death is available to all men, but not all men will partake of/in it.

 

[Hopeful 2]

People can see the rest of your remark, Im highlighting the Blasphemy. The rest of the remark doesnt cloak what you think about Christs death, that its worthless to save them He died for since, people He died for wind up in hell.

They all had the chance to avail themselves of the Advocate while they were alive.
Some just wouldn't submit to His leadership.

 

[Hopeful 2]

And you seem unable to grasp that salvation is only given to someone by God as fully and completely a free gift in all aspects and respects- with no demands made by God for it - it, coming with no preconditions nor requirements whatsoever other than God had chosen the person for it. And you, by insisting there is, attempt to take away God's glory and His sacrifice, thereby negating it, and give it yourself instead.

God will grant salvation to anybody who wants it.
Many don't want it.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Jesus Christ did not die for the unbelieving dead Muslim man of 1502AD . Lord Jesus has had me make this abundantly clear to you in our correspondence regarding 1 John 2:1-2.

Jesus' propitiation for sin advocacy always succeeds (1 John 2:1-2), so that unbelieving dead Muslim man is not the "any man" nor a part of "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2, but you believe that the unbelieving dead Muslim man is the "any man" and a part of "the whole world" in 1 John 2:1-2 which your thoughts result in Jesus' propitiation for sin advocacy being a failure.

I don't see that man's name in scripture on the "REJECTED" list .
In fact I don't see any "rejected" lists at all.
Do you know who will not be granted eternal life ?
Paul made a list in Gal. 5:19-21..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Those who walk after the flesh will not be granted eternal life.
I rejoice in the fact that I was offered the way to walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
Were you offered the same opportunity?
Or not?

 

[Hopeful 2]

As Surety of Gods People Heb 7:22 Christ fulfilled all conditions that Salvation may be given, applied unto the Sheep

I am sure glad I was offered the chance to be one of His sheep.

Where did you get your interpretation of Heb 7:22 ?
"By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament."

 

[rogerg]

God will grant salvation to anybody who wants it.
Many don't want it.

No. Read these verses again slowly and tell us what you think they mean. Where in them do you find the recipient of His mercy doing anything to receive it? You don't and can't find it because it isn't there. It is solely by Christ; man plays no part in it whatsoever.
It tells us both what it is not by, and also tells us what it is by. By the "not by works of righteousness
which we have done" part, it declares that it is not by man at all; by the "according to his mercy he saved us" and "shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour" parts, they declare what it is by, which solely is Christ. So, unless you can find man contributing something in those verses to get it, he doesn't contribute, and he can't contribute, right?


[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No. Read these verses again slowly and tell us what you think they mean. Where in them do you find the recipient of His mercy doing anything to receive it? You don't and can't find it because it isn't there. It is solely by Christ; man plays no part in it whatsoever.
It tells us both what it is not by, and also tells us what it is by. By the "not by works of righteousness
which we have done" part, it declares that it is not by man at all; by the "according to his mercy he saved us" and "shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour" parts, they declare what it is by, which solely is Christ. So, unless you can find man contributing something in those verses to get it, he doesn't contribute, and he can't contribute, right?

If you don't turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, (Acts 2:38, 22:16), you won't be saved on the day of judgement.
If you don't refrain from..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)...you will not be saved.
Whoever told you to just sit on your hands to be saved was a liar.

[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The "works" Paul writes of are of the Law.
Specifically, circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, etc.
Those things will not save anyone.

 

[rogerg]

If you don't turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, (Acts 2:38, 22:16), you won't be saved on the day of judgement.
If you don't refrain from..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)...you will not be saved.
Whoever told you to just sit on your hands to be saved was a liar.

So then, you weren't able to find any contribution in those verses required by man in order to be saved?
Whoever told you that you must do or not do something(anything) to be saved is the liar. Otherwise, Christ could not be the Saviour, but He is the Saviour, and He is so to the uttermost for those whom God had chosen. So, obviously, you do not believe that Christ is the Saviour, neither can you comprehend what it means that He is the Saviour. If you could, you would never have said that: you are completely oblivious to salvation's single most exceeding and important doctrine - the doctrine upon which the entire gospel had been based/built upon by God, which is simply Jesus Christ.
Did you read Gal 5:18 (I noticed you didn't include it)? It tells us that those led by the Spirit are not under the law.
Get it? There is no law for salvation for those to be or who are saved! Someone can only be led by the Spirit from being born again which is from salvation. Notice also that it says, "the law" not "laws". It says "the law" because it is a singular not plural, law. It is singular because there is only one law that man if he is under it, will be found guilty and thereby is he denied salvation and incurs God's wrath. That law is the law of sin and death. Those under it will be judged guilty by the law of liberty, or said another way, by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

You confuse the physical with the spiritual.
Those verses refer to spiritual not physical sins, which through Christ, those saved will never be commit. On the spiritual level, the committing of them equates to the trusting of one's own works to self-justify, or in the following false of gospels - which God would never allow to occur for those saved. If you disagree, look at king David and Saul - they were forgiven and saved regardless of all of their earthly sins of which there were many, and which, they continued to commit throughout their lives. After becoming born again however, they never committed spiritual sin again.

[Gal 5:18 KJV] 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[Eph 2:10 KJV] 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

[Heb 7:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The "works" Paul writes of are of the Law.
Specifically, circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, etc.
Those things will not save anyone.

No. Anything that someone must do or not do to be saved makes those things laws of salvation, or they wouldn't/couldn't be requirements in the first place.
No one can be justified by the works of law - any person trying to satisfy law of themselves is not under Christ nor God's grace. The works spoken of, are ANY works that someone might attempt to do for self-justification. Salvation by Christ is all encompassing. As such, for those saved, all of their evil works and sin committed by them have been/are remitted entirely by Christ - they are gone forever, otherwise they wouldn't be able to truly believe in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

His death, 2 thousand years ago, will save only a small percentage of the world.
His death is available to all men, but not all men will partake of/in it.

More Blasphemy, to say people for whom Christ died shall not partake of it, the saving benefits of it, that's to reduce the efficacy of Christs death to nothing, powerless. Everyone Christ tasted death for shall be brought to Glory Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

 

[brightfame52]

They all had the chance to avail themselves of the Advocate while they were alive.
Some just wouldn't submit to His leadership.

More blasphemy against the efficacy of the death of Christ, those whom He died for shall be brought to God, to Glory Heb 2:9-10. You are saying mans rebellion and sin is greater than the saving efficacy of the Cross of Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

I am sure glad I was offered the chance to be one of His sheep.

Where did you get your interpretation of Heb 7:22 ?
"By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament."

Huh ? Rabbit trail, This about the efficacy of the death of Christ, them He tasted death for are consequently brought to Glory by it, they were saved by it, which you flat out deny !

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

Those who walk after the flesh will not be granted eternal life.
I rejoice in the fact that I was offered the way to walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
Were you offered the same opportunity?
Or not?

You are boasting sir, thats pride and self exaltation !

 

[Hopeful 2]

More Blasphemy, to say people for whom Christ died shall not partake of it, the saving benefits of it, that's to reduce the efficacy of Christs death to nothing, powerless. Everyone Christ tasted death for shall be brought to Glory Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Why do you keep posting the verse stating "every man" and then denying it ?