It takes two to be converted than saved.
God opens the door, but we must walk through it,
Tasted Death for every Man !
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God opens the door, but we must walk through it,
Were you not offered the same course of behavior as I was ?
Of course you were, as Jesus tasted death for all men.
Sorrowfully, not all accept that course for their lives.
Im not denying it, He tasted death for every man He brought to Glory, He saved Heb 2:9-10
I hope "many".
It will still be a tiny percentage of all those for whom Jesus died.
Were you not offered the same gifts as every other man by God ?
Jesus tasted death for you, so that is one gift.
You heard the gospel...a second gift.
You must have heard of Peter's commands to turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins...two more gifts.
Had you obeyed Peter, you would have received the gift of the Holy Ghost...another gift.
This thread is about what Jesus has done, Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
In this passage, nothing is stated about what anyone did except Christ. This is also about who He tasted death for and the results thereof, so please lets keep it within that framework.
Was Gods arm too short in regard to His promises for Israel or did the covenant promises not have curses and blessings?
Jesus looked back in time and with Gods eyes could see Sodom would have repented if the signs He performed in Israel were performed in their eyes. That was found in their favor. A better judgment was proclaimed for them. That demonstrates God can know those who will repent and believe in Him and His justice and loving kindness.
Your stating its impossible for man to repent and be saved unless they were preordained by God to do so.
Likewise that means God who knows mans weakness of the flesh has preordained the many to eternal judgment which contrasts with the love of God and His justice as shown to Sodom and those who died in the flood of Noah for Jesus peached the gospel message to those imprisoned Spirits that they live in regard to the Spirit. Also all Nineveh repented at Jonah's warning from the Lord but they were not Gods chosen people.
What was taught is whosoever calls on the Lord will be saved. No other theology was needed otherwise. Only Gods own Holy Spirit knows the plans and deep thoughts of the mind of God.
Im testifying that every man Jesus tasted death for, it takes them to Glory Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
If He tasted death for them, they going to Glory !
There is no denying that "all brought to glory" Jesus tasted death for.
You simply deny that He also tasted death for all those who rejects Him and were not brought to glory.
No He didnt die for them going to hell. If you believe He did, you deny that His death saved anyone, which is unbelief !
Curses and blessings.
He might taste death for all. The blessings for obedience.
He didn't taste death for all. The curses for disobedience. The wrath of God.
I am positive God can see if someone has faith to be saved.
Faith comes from hearing and hearing comes from the word of God.
Even in your own theology you have no clue who God has and hasn't ordained to be saved.
So whosoever believes and calls on the Lord shall be saved.
If you believe Christ tasted death for them going to hell, you may as well say His death saved no one.
Your like a broken record with that one verse. The blessings are for obedience not disobedience.
Christ can not be crucified a 2nd time.
For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come 6 and then have fallen away, since they are crucifying again the Son of God to their own harm and are holding him up to contempt. 7 Ground that drinks up the rain falling on it repeatedly and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and on the verge of being cursed; its end is to be burned over.
Again, If you believe Christ tasted death for people going to hell, you dont believe His death saved anyone, thats unbelief
He died for all men, but some reject Him.
McDonalds opened for all men, but not all men eat at McDonalds.
Just because they don't eat there doesn't mean it was never offered to them.
Those for whom Christ died He brings them to Glory Heb 2:9-10, if people go to hell, He didnt taste death for them.
That is the root of your misunderstanding.
Just because some reject Him doesn't mean Jesus' death wasn't available to them.