Tasted Death for every Man !

[brightfame52]

That's what happens when "tasted death for every man" is ignored.

Every man Christ tasted death for is Saved, Justified, sin free as to being charged with it ! Do you deny that ?

 

[GodsGrace]

That's what happens when "tasted death for every man" is ignored.

Tricky title.

Jesus died FOR EVERY MAN.
Jesus died for every man He died for...??

Uffa.

I guess Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient to cover EVERY MAN in reformed theology.
BTW, not all reformed theologians agree with the OP.
Some DO believe that Jesus died for every man, past, present and future.
Whether they come to believe or not.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Christ tasted death for murder,

Which means he put the human fleshly desure to seek vengence against sinners to death.

so the ones He died for cannot be charged with it.

Those who repent won't be charged,

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb.10:16

If a person who Christ died for is ever punished for any sin, it would be unjust, justice would be thrown out the window.

No. It says how much worse should it be for people who ignored Jesus than the prophets,

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God Heb.10:28-29

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Every man Christ tasted death for is Saved, Justified, sin free as to being charged with it ! Do you deny that ?

Not if they don't repent of the sin done to him. You think Gods'(Christs') patience with sinners excuses their sins forever? You are wrong my friend and all will see that when they face the One they sinned against.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Christ died for everyone He takes to Glory, saved Heb 2:9-10

As Jesus tasted death for all men, it makes sense that those who avail themselves of His advocacy will be "taken to glory".
We can only pity those who reject His graceful offer of eternal life.

Again the ones Christ died for He purged their sins Heb 1:3 and He takes to Glory Heb 2:9-10

All those still refusing to submit to God can still have their sins washed away by the blood of Christ if the repent of sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.

Keep praying for those on the "edge".

 

[Hopeful 2]

Sorry, it doesnt matter if they repent, they can be still rebels,

Your POV is a lie.
No sinner is going to heaven.

Christ has purged away their sins Heb 1:3 and then He gives them a New Birth with a New heart and brings them to Glory Heb 2:9-10

Their sins won't be purged until they are washed away by the blood of Christ at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)

 

[Hopeful 2]

You are denying the efficacy of Christs death, all for whom He tasted death for are legally saved, and will be spiritually converted and brought to heavens Glory.

He tasted death for ALL men, so...will Hitler be saved on the day of judgement ?
No, as he never submitted himself to God.
No sinner has.
I wish you guys would just read what is written..."ALL MEN".

 

[Hopeful 2]

Mankind has been judged (thou shall not ) and found guilty. (death) Its appointed for all men in sufferings a lifetime separated from God (lifers) to die "once" No retrial . .no double jeopardy .

We walk by faith the unseen power of God. We have no power to raise oneself from the dead

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

He did not make it available as in "OK guys now its time to make your decision.As in . . so we can walk together in prefect harmony

Our opinions differ on that matter.
He did make it available, through Jesus Christ's suffering and death.

The works was was finished from the foundation of the world when he did work the 6 days.

He worked in those who have no power living in bodies of death . Let there be and it was good .Just as he does in us with us today yoked with him, our daily sufferings living in a body of death are made lighter with a future living daily hope of an new incorruptible body that will not age leading towards destruction.

We cry out give us the this daily bread strengthen our inward person .

Corruption return to dust .

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both (the key) to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus empowered by the father did the will with delight some as it seem your choice like that of Jonas that desired to die knowing God was a God of his word .What he says. . "Let there be . . comes to pass".

Don't be a murmurer and disputer .Follow Jesus

Doesn't that infer we have the choice of following Jesus, or not ?

God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. . . never was . . . never will.

Sure is a good thing then that God has allowed us to be reborn of His seed so we are no longer merely humans.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You wrote "Then he won't be saved on the day of judgement", yet you believe 1 John 2:1-2 means that Jesus propitiated to cover the sin of the unbelieving dead Muslim man, that "son of hell" (Matthew 23:15), thus you include the Muslim man in "every man" (Hebrews 2:9-10) and "the whole world" (1 John 2:1-2), then, in effect, you believe Jesus is a colossal failure; in other words, the Jesus that you preach is so weak that his propitiating advocacy is null and void.

Jesus, in a manner, put the "credit card" on the table to be used by whoever wants it.
Just because most won't do what it takes to use that "credit card" doesn't make the "card" a failure.
The "credit card" is His suffering and death.
I am reminded of the wedding guest who showed up without a wedding garment in Jesus' parable in Matt. 22.
The man was invited, if not forced to attend, but there were still requirements to be met.

 

[brightfame52]

Which means he put the human fleshly desure to seek vengence against sinners to death.

Those who repent won't be charged,

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb.10:16

No. It says how much worse should it be for people who ignored Jesus than the prophets,

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God Heb.10:28-29

Any sins Christ died for cant be charged anymore. Thats why those who Christ died for, they are saved, and they did nothing, they are legally saved and reconciled to God even while they are enemies hating God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Christ tasted death for murder, so the ones He died for cannot be charged with it. If a person who Christ died for is ever punished for any sin, it would be unjust, justice would be thrown out the window.

Christ tasted death for all men so all men, through Him, could be declared righteous.
But the men must do their part by taking part in that death.
Peter writes..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
Our "suffering in the flesh" occurs at our baptism into Christ's death. (Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24)

 

[brightfame52]

Not if they don't repent of the sin done to him. You think Gods'(Christs') patience with sinners excuses their sins forever? You are wrong my friend and all will see that when they face the One they sinned against.

They dont have to repent, Christ purged their sins away, they cant be charged to them, even when they are unbelievers.

 

[brightfame52]

As Jesus tasted death for all men, it makes sense that those who avail themselves of His advocacy will be "taken to glory".
We can only pity those who reject His graceful offer of eternal life.

All those still refusing to submit to God can still have their sins washed away by the blood of Christ if the repent of sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.

Keep praying for those on the "edge".

All those Christ tasted death for are saved, doesnt matter if they refuse to submit to God, Christ died for their not submitting to God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

All those Christ tasted death for are saved,

I wish you were right, as I would love to ask Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and others, why they were such idiots.

doesnt matter if they refuse to submit to God, Christ died for their not submitting to God.

Our POVs differ.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Christ purged their sins away....

Jesus purges our sins by exposing us to fire as he was,

he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, Mal.3:3

by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. Isa.4:4

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pet.4:17

So the "judgment" for believers is now, not no judgment at all as you think.

the fiery trial which is to try you, 1Pet.4:12

 

[atpollard]

Can't believe this is still going on!

What happened to atpollard ?
(I miss him).

After 2500 post what are the odds that I could post anything that hasn’t already been said? (More than once)

 

[GodsGrace]

After 2500 post what are the odds that I could post anything that hasn’t already been said? (More than once)

Maybe you could start a new thread?
I might sneak one into Theology.
Any ideas?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Tricky title.

Jesus died FOR EVERY MAN.
Jesus died for every man He died for...??

Uffa.

I guess Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient to cover EVERY MAN in reformed theology.
BTW, not all reformed theologians agree with the OP.
Some DO believe that Jesus died for every man, past, present and future.
Whether they come to believe or not.

I believe these disagreements come from not understanding how God sses his Son,

This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mt.3:17

as opposed to how man saw his son,

we know that this man is a sinner. Jn.9:24

 

[brightfame52]

I wish you were right, as I would love to ask Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and others, why they were such idiots.

Our POVs differ.

Doesnt matter who it is, if Christ died for them, they are saved, reconciled to God.

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe these disagreements come from not understanding how God sses his Son,

This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mt.3:17

as opposed to how man saw his son,

we know that this man is a sinner. Jn.9:24

Hmmm.
I don't really understand that.
Could you explain John 9,24?