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Tasted Death for every Man !

rogerg said:
Yes, but that hearing is spiritual hearing which comes from being born again, from salvation, not physical/human hearing. Jesus makes clear that hearing is not given to everyone but only to His sheep. Did you understand the meaning of the verses I previously posted to you?

Observe:

[Jhn 8:43, 47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. ...
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
[Jhn 10:26-27 KJV]
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

[Mat 13:16 KJV]
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
[Jhn 10:4-5 KJV]
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
[Rom 11:8 KJV] 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
[Act 7:51 KJV] 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.


Did you understand the verses I posted previously to you? They clearly and unmistakably explain the foundation of all
words such as "all", "whosoever", "whomsoever", "any man", and the like: they are of those given by the Father to the Son. They - the elect - alone will/can truly hear things spiritual- the gospel. Such hearing God does to everyone. It is not possible for the unsaved (natural man) to know the spiritual, i.e., things of the Spirit:

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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Maliah inked here said:
So it's a reasonable statement that "whosoever believeth" are those given to Christ, that God gives this "eternal life" to? The one's who open the door and receive Christ and His redemptive work for their salvation?
That would make perfect sense.
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No. Were it by someone's belief that they come to Christ, would invalidate that God alone gives them to Christ, otherwise, their coming to Christ would be of themselves, not God - it can't be both ways. That is why the verse says that those who are taught of God come to Christ - they first must be taught by God, but He alone teaches those whom He had so chosen to give to Christ. He has not chosen to give everyone to Christ.

[Jhn 6:45 KJV] 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
 
rogerg said:
No. Were it by someone's belief that they come to Christ, would invalidate that God alone gives them to Christ, otherwise, their coming to Christ would be of themselves, not God - it can't be both ways. That is why the verse says that those who are taught of God come to Christ - they first must be taught by God, but He alone teaches those whom He had so chosen to give to Christ. He has not chosen to give everyone to Christ.

[Jhn 6:45 KJV] 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
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UNbelievers don't come to Christ.
 
Maliah inked here said:
So it's a reasonable statement that "whosoever believeth" are those given to Christ, that God gives this "eternal life" to? The one's who open the door and receive Christ and His redemptive work for their salvation?
That would make perfect sense.
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Let me add, and which I should have included in my reply to you for clarity's sake, that a true belief in Christ as Saviour, is a gift which accompanies salvation - it is one of the fruits from becoming born again. However, one's faith (if a true faith), does not bring them salvation, instead, it is a demonstration that one has been saved.

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 
Yes I understand the scriptures that you posted.

Hearing comes from the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing.
Romans 10

The words of God are Spirit and life.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63

AND the Spirit and the bride say, come. And let him that hears say, come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17

The call is to all.
 
Maliah inked here said:
Yes I understand the scriptures that you posted.

Hearing comes from the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing.
Romans 10

The words of God are Spirit and life.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63

AND the Spirit and the bride say, come. And let him that hears say, come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17

The call is to all.
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Hearing comes only as a gift. That is why there are many who read the word of God yet are not persuaded by
it, nor ever come to faith in it. If it were by reading it, then all would come to faith, but they don't.
One's ears must first be "blessed" by God (i.e. have been given the Holy Spirit), to believe.

Here, read it again - I added another verse - the one prior to it for context. Do you see the
"not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but with the Holy Ghost teacheth"? That means, man, by
his wisdom, can never, ever comprehend things of the Spirit. This is confirmed in the next verse - that natural man
(unsaved man), cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned. To understand the things of the Spirit,
one must first HAVE the Spirit, which only comes with being indwelt by Him, from being born-again, from being saved.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Maliah inked here said:
He did.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
John 6:51
Because God so loved the WORLD.....
He tasted death for all
He died for the sins of all
That "whosoever will" may come.
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Oh no He didnt. He never died for them going to hell
 
Maliah inked here said:
Yes I understand the scriptures that you posted.

Hearing comes from the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing.
Romans 10

The words of God are Spirit and life.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63

AND the Spirit and the bride say, come. And let him that hears say, come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17

The call is to all.
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And my point of points, is this: that everything spoken of, which a true Christian embodies, flows from,
and is because of, their salvation and not the reverse; that is, before anything else can occur, salvation must first be given to someone. Those whom He had chosen to salvation, must become saved and will manifest the attributes of the saved; those whom He had not chosen to salvation, can never become saved. It is God's divine prerogative and good pleasure to do just that, and He makes no apology for doing so.
Christ fully and completely is the Saviour in all ways, and man is not.

[2Pe 3:18 KJV] 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
 
Okay, pick A or B of the following:

At the ice cream shop today the man in back of me asks my why my handbag reads Jesus Saves. Do I:

A. Tell him Jesus came that he might believe and have eternal life.

B. Tell him that Jesus came for only those God gave to him to save.

Your answer please.
 
rogerg said:
And my point of points, is this: that everything spoken of, which a true Christian embodies, flows from,
and is because of, their salvation and not the reverse; that is, before anything else can occur, salvation must first be given to someone. Those whom He had chosen to salvation, must become saved and will manifest the attributes of the saved; those whom He had not chosen to salvation, can never become saved. It is God's divine prerogative and good pleasure to do just that, and He makes no apology for doing so.
Christ fully and completely is the Saviour in all ways, and man is not.

[2Pe 3:18 KJV] 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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Maliah inked here said:
Okay, pick A or B of the following:

At the ice cream shop today the man in back of me asks my why my handbag reads Jesus Saves. Do I:

A. Tell him Jesus came that he might believe and have eternal life.

B. Tell him that Jesus came for only those God gave to him to save.

Your answer please.
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Tell him about Jesus as Saviour, although I don't think a. and b. to be mutually exclusive.
I would throw out a c. too - you ask him to buy you an ice cream - although that won't
get him saved but that you would really appreciate it.
 
I bought his ice cream.

I see this in scripture..

“It is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy;” Romans 9:16

YET...

" Whosoever will let him come and take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:17

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Romans 11: 33-36

God is sovereign, but Chose to show mercy to those who might believe. Romans 8:32

That is what I preach.
Now for my ice cream. Chow.
 
Maliah inked here said:
I bought his ice cream.

I see this in scripture..

“It is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy;” Romans 9:16

YET...

" Whosoever will let him come and take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:17

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Romans 11: 33-36

God is sovereign, but Chose to show mercy to those who might believe. Romans 8:32

That is what I preach.
Now for my ice cream. Chow.
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Actually I would state it in the reverse: that those to whom he has given mercy, believe.

[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Enjoy your ice cream.
Bye
 
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TahitiRun said:
There is no waiting needed. The text is straight forward. It states that all flesh is given to Christ and all those given to Christ (which is all flesh) will be given eternal life (it's also a purpose-result clause, it's "will give" not "may give").

The KJV, as usual, destroys the literal reading of the text. Here is the literal translation using the YLT:

Joh 17:2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that—all that Thou hast given to him—he may will give to them life age-during;

It's a one to one ratio. Seriously, just read it. This isn't rocket science.
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Oh, my! This is the second time that I'm pointing this out to you- having power over all flesh is not synonymous with giving eternal life to all flesh. If you are unable to recognize that then I'm not going to keep repeating it to you. Plus, you've chosen to ignore all of the other verses about this that I've posted to you.
Look at 17:3. It tells us that those given eternal life will know God and Christ. But not everyone has, nor does, nor will, come to know God or Christ, and consequently, they cannot be of those given eternal life.

[Jhn 17:3 KJV] 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And you're right it's not rocket science, so how is it that you don't understand what we clearly see in those verses: that salvation is to those, and only to those, who the Father gave to the Son to be raised up on the last day- and to no one else?

I'm done discussing this with you.
 
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