Test The Spirits in Dreams Visions Abductions

[Alfred Persson]

Oh come on, LoL.

If it can only be set if it's in the Bible and it isn't in the Bible, then it can't be set, and you shouldn't be attempting to set it. Your position is falling apart like a crumbling piece of cake here, and you should at least acknowledge how weak it is.


Well, this statement is at least correct, although the judging and interpretation spoken of here was not the sole purview of prophets. Teachers are much better instructed in the word of God than prophets, and it would fall primarily to them to receive accurate revelation regarding a prophecy's meaning, especially if it had anything at all to do with end-time events.

26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.

The teaching here was that all of this was going on within the same services, i.e. simultaneously as the Spirit leads. And the one who spoke in a tongue was clearly not one who interpreted here, for he said "if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God." That means there would need to be two different people with two different but complimentary gifts, not all the tongues people doing all the tongues stuff and all the prophecy people doing all the prophecy stuff. The same principle applies in prophecy and revelation. One prophesies and then one with the ability to receive revelation concerning prophecy will stand up and give how and why the prophecy is spiritually significant. Everything operates under the principle of complimentary gifts, where no one is left out and feeling un-useful.


Yes. I won't comment on the rest of your post, but I fully agree here, and plan to start a thread on the direction things are going even within Christianity.

Maybe I can tag you for that.

It contradicts the very definition of "sola scriptura" if I propose a date not in the Bible! But, that is a cop out. I have faith God providentially made sure the end result, messy as it was, came out right.

That would be a great thread discussing how things are going in the church.

I'm not qualified to do it, no longer involved in a Pentecostal church and haven't been keeping up with the news with any church.

I only study scripture about the end time. I'm focused on that. More like a hermit in the desert.

Everything I see in the Book of Revelation about the last seven years is still future. But recent events do suggest the end really is near.

John saw the sign and wonder working weeds in his church leave, and it so reminded him of the "last hour" that happens in the end time, he says "it is the last hour'.

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 Jn. 2:18-21 NKJ)

The weeds rejected the Christ taught in scripture, denying the Father and the Son, and began following Antichrist doctrine that truly reveals what the Man of Sin Son of Perdition will preach when he morphs into the 666 Beast.

I comment on that here, you might find it interesting:

What did the apostle John reveal when he said: “It is the last hour”? | End Time News

John saw the apostasy of miracle working schismatics leaving his church as fitting Christ's description of the End Time falling away (Mt. 7:22-23; 24:11-12; Mk. 13:22-23) and writes "it is the last hour". What did John mean? Was he speaking chronologically or did he thereby illustrate to every...

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[Hidden In Him]

Everything I see in the Book of Revelation that reveals what will happen in the last seven years is still future. But recent events really do seem to suggest the end really is near.

It's getting nearer. To say it is already near would be stretching it a little, IMO.

That would be a great thread. I'm not qualified to do it, no longer involved in a Pentecostal church and haven't been keeping up with the news.

So what Pentecostal church were you involved in? I didn't know you were previously Pentecostal.

 

[Alfred Persson]

It's getting nearer. To say it is already near would be stretching it a little, IMO.


So what Pentecostal church were you involved in? I didn't know you were previously Pentecostal.

Baptized in a Foursquare Pentecostal church, Bethany Christian:

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Great church, lots of true believers. That was long ago. But, it wouldn't be a good fit for me now, being a Cessationist. And I no longer ship out (work as a US Merchant Marine sailor) of the city of San Pedro, I'm retired living in the inland empire desert.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Great church, lots of true believers. That was long ago. But, it wouldn't be a good fit for me now, being a Cessationist.

I can imagine, Lol. So what made you reject their beliefs in Pentecostalism?

 

[JLB]

I had an "out of body" experience where the illusion I had traveled to heaven was very real, but Scripture implies Demons can "download" a "virtual reality" (false vision) where traveling to heaven [the equivalent of an abduction by "aliens" to other planets], can telepathically deceive humans:


Notice the difference between Paul's trip to third heaven, and those reported today. Unlike Paul, modern "visionaries" know they are "out of the body":


Counterfeits are identified by their dissimilarity with the genuine. Paul didn't know if he was "out of the body," that means his experience was different than modern "visionaries" or "abductees".

The following is a False Vision I experienced. [I publicly thank God the Holy Spirit who brought to my remembrance the Scripture we MUST "test the spirits" to objectively learn if they are from God, for many false prophets have been thus inspired to go forth into the world 1 John 4:1]:

More than forty years ago, having publicly confessed Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (Mt. 10:32) I knew I was saved (Rom. 10:9-13), born again (John 3:3-4; 20:31).

One night while wondering what to do next, I was suddenly out of my body and went to what I thought was third heaven.

Everywhere brilliant light, furnishings all gold and crystal jeweled, beautiful. Telepathically I heard a glorious angel saying, "prophet to the nations I have made you."

Then a book I could not read appeared, written in symbols strange characters.

"Drink from this cup so your eyes will be opened." But the gold goblet was filled with dark liquid, the blackest black.

I recoiled in fear, I sensed it was evil.

The angel became stern, foreboding. A feeling I was "blaspheming the Spirit" became so strong I could barely think.

But it was the real Holy Spirit who brought to my remembrance the scripture, God's command we "test the spirits".

At that time I was paralyzed by the fear I was about to blaspheme the Spirit, that almost stopped me.

But I thought to myself, "Scripture says I must test, therefore I must obey God and do as Scripture commands!" So I asked the angel:

"Can you confess Jesus Christ is your LORD? (1 Cor. 12:3). Do you confess Jesus Christ came in the flesh?" (1 Jn 4:3)

Suddenly the angel became hideous, its disguise dropped (2 Cor. 11:14) and I sensed demonic hate and evil directed at me.

Then I felt yanked out as if grabbed by the collar of my jacket. I awoke in my room. I couldn't sleep at all after that.[1]

Spirits can telepathically download a virtual reality as real as the Matrix was to Neo, and collaborate with corporeal angels to produce a mass delusion as they did during the Fatima and "Dancing of the Sun" prefiguring modern UFO contactee events. Everything experienced is as real as it gets. There is no essential difference between an immersive "out of body trip to heaven" or "abduction experience often with sadistic surgical procedures". BOTH can be halted by those who have faith Jesus Christ is LORD. God commands we "test the spirits" and He will honor all who obey His Word.

As John and Paul insist the test works on prophets while under control of the spirit, the test also works on the spirits when they appear by themselves in dreams, visions, or voices.

Spirits can disguise themselves as angels of light, extraterrestrial beings, departed loved ones, respected Bible personalities, in dreams visions and voices. Demand everyone who appears to you in a "vivid dream" or "vision" they confess "Jesus Christ is LORD", or "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh". Spirits cannot lie about these things or God wouldn't have put these objective tests in the Scripture for us to use. Regardless the disguise, spirits must reply to the demand they confess Jesus and if they can't they will be exposed. The vision or "abduction in progress" will immediately end.

Test The Spirits in Dreams Visions Abductions | End Time News

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.(1 Jn. 4:1 NKJ) I had an "out of body" experience where the illusion I had traveled to heaven was very real, but Scripture implies Demons can "download" a...

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[Hidden In Him]

However, Believers must beware the End Time is a time of deception that would fool even the Elect if God permitted

Here is the thread I mentioned I would post on a similar topic:

Hallucinogens: A Gateway To The Demonic

As this thread will establish, there appears to now be a growing move within Christianity to experience the "supernatural" through things like mushrooms and hallucinogenic drugs, but this is an exceedingly dangerous teaching that must be exposed. It is a satanic counterfeit, and carries great...

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[Hidden In Him]

This looks interesting. Thanks for posting, JLB.

 

[Alfred Persson]

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I can imagine, Lol. So what made you reject their beliefs in Pentecostalism?

Hard to recall any one event, a combination. Scripture gripped my spirit, none of the tongues visions or prophecies had that power. It all seemed "of the flesh". Then I read John MacArthur's book Charismatic Chaos and the arguments against are persuasive. After a thorough intense study, I became a Cessationist.

But as Joel did prophesy a pouring out of the Holy Spirit in the end time, I'm not "quenching the Spirit" or "despising prophecy". I just want real proof from anyone who wants me to consider them an authority.

I am happy with sola scriptura, God's word satisfies all my needs.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Scripture gripped my spirit, none of the tongues visions or prophecies had that power.

Well yeah. None has ever had that kinda power for me either. Only for me that doesn't disqualify them either. Sounds like your church wasn't word-based enough, which is a common problem within segments of Pentecostalism these days.

I am happy with sola scriptura, God's word satisfies all my needs.

I understand it. I think where dreams and visions come in for me is that they address issues more specific to our times.

 

[Alfred Persson]

It was good until he went off the rails with his temple=body premise. Not that the premise is wrong, but its not an "open temple".

They can't enter a Christian's body, because it is the Temple of the Holy Spirit and He doesn't permit it:

We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him (1 Jn. 5:18 NKJ)

Demons communicate telepathically, they don't have to enter the body.

They do that from a distance. The 'blue tooth" analogy is good. The brain interprets electronic signals from our eyes ears etc.. Angels and demons can "download" electronic data into that data stream, and create any "virtual reality" they desire.

False visions, out of the body trips to heaven and hell, alien abductions to other planets or the mothership, medical examinations, are all virtual reality created down loaded into the brain. Everything in that "vision" can feel very real, sight sound smell touch, everything present.

Human technology can do the same thing. There are reports of top secret Darpa projects that can project fear into the enemy, irrational but overwhelming fear, so they run away even though no one is chasing them. And that is a decades old report. No telling what they can do now.

 

[JLB]

It was good until he went off the rails with his temple=body premise. Not that the premise is wrong, but its not an "open temple".

The outer court is “open” and ”Gentiles“ were permitted there.


The outer court corresponds to the physical body.

The holy place; the soul

The holy of holies; the spirit


Anyway, as in all teachings from others… we eat the fish and spit out the bones.




JLB

 

[Alfred Persson]

Well yeah. None has ever had that kinda power for me either. Only for me that doesn't disqualify them either. Sounds like your church wasn't word-based enough, which is a common problem within segments of Pentecostalism these days.


I understand it. I think where dreams and visions come in for me is that they address issues more specific to our times.

There was one very defining moment. I was told to "prompt the Spirit" for tongues, and so I did.

While doing that, a dark mass of swirling energy appeared. It was about 6 inches tall, 12 inches in diameter. Slightly rounded on top, but instead of feet energy folded into itself as it circled me like a lion seeking to devour its prey.

As it circled trying to attack me I could feel the power of the Holy Spirit within me pushing it away so it couldn't get closer than a few feet. It circled me for a time, extremely angry. Then it vanished.

I believe it was Satan, but can't be sure. Who knows what he actually looks like, he can assume any form he wants.

Needless to say, my efforts to "prompt the Spirit" for tongues ceased. As it is a gift, I'll wait until God actually gifts me with it.

It is presumptuous to "prompt someone" for a gift.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The outer court is “open” and ”Gentiles“ were permitted there.


The outer court corresponds to the physical body.

The holy place; the soul

The holy of holies; the spirit


Anyway, as in all teachings from others… we eat the fish and spit out the bones.




JLB

The Greek word for "temple" where the Spirit is in us describes only the "holy of holies", not the courtyard:

Do you not know that you are the temple(3485 ναός naos) of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Cor. 3:16 NKJ)

3485 ναός naos {nah-os'}
Meaning: 1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)-Strong's

In our flesh dwells no good thing (Rom. 7:18), so the Holy Spirit does not "touch" our flesh at all. Only our spirit, He envelopes it, quickens it, giving us that "born again" experience we all know and love.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (Rom. 8:14-16 NKJ)

 

[Hidden In Him]

There was one very defining moment. I was told to "prompt the Spirit" for tongues, and so I did.

While doing that, a dark mass of swirling energy appeared. It was about 6 inches tall, 12 inches in diameter. Slightly rounded on top, but instead of feet energy folded into itself as it circled me like a lion seeking to devour its prey.

As it circled trying to attack me I could feel the power of the Holy Spirit within me pushing it away so it couldn't get closer than a few feet. It circled me for a time, extremely angry. Then it vanished.

I believe it was Satan, but can't be sure. Who knows what he actually looks like, he can assume any form he wants.

Needless to say, my efforts to "prompt the Spirit" for tongues ceased. As it is a gift, I'll wait until God actually gifts me with it.

It is presumptuous to "prompt someone" for a gift.

Wow. I've never even heard of "prompting the Spirit" before. What is that supposed to be?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Wow. I've never even heard of "prompting the Spirit" before. What is that supposed to be?

Thanks for sharing.

Perhaps you call it something else:

"As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or practices related to speaking in tongues. However, in general, the belief among those who practice speaking in tongues is that the words spoken in tongues are not pre-planned or consciously chosen by the speaker, but rather are inspired by the Holy Spirit in the moment.

In other words, when "prompting the Spirit" for speaking in tongues, the speaker is not necessarily trying to think of specific words to say, but rather is opening themselves up to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and allowing the Spirit to speak through them.-ChatGPT"

Everyone is assured dark forces cannot exploit someone stupid enough to open themselves to the control of others. This scripture is cited to prove nothing bad can happen:

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? (Matt. 7:9-10 KJV)

But they miss an important premise, it only applies "if a SON asks", suppose someone who is not a son is asking?

Suppose a TARE child of the Devil is asking?

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Matt. 13:38 KJV)

A thought experiment:

Suppose a TARE "child of the Devil" opens their mind begging the Spirit to take control, what do you suppose might happen then?

What sort of gift will their father the Devil give them?

Christendom is filled with TARES sown among the wheat. Why make things worse for them?

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Christians are not to ask God to control them, WHY would He want to do that?

He gave us free will so we control ourselves!


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Gal. 5:22-23 NKJ)

 

[Hidden In Him]

In other words, when "prompting the Spirit" for speaking in tongues, the speaker is not necessarily trying to think of specific words to say, but rather is opening themselves up to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and allowing the Spirit to speak through them.-ChatGPT"

Everyone is assured dark forces cannot exploit someone stupid enough to open themselves to the control of others. This scripture is cited to prove nothing bad can happen:

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? (Matt. 7:9-10 KJV)

But they miss an important premise, it only applies "if a SON asks", suppose someone who is not a son is asking?

Yes, and it is also important who the son is asking. He can be a true son, but if he is distant enough from God in his understanding of spiritual matters still, he can place himself in a position where he is actually in enemy territory, and "prompting" the wrong spirit without realizing it.

See, I have read accounts by those who have been deeply involved in Satanism that they pose as counterfeit leaders and even pastors of churches. Not saying that was necessarily the situation in your case, but men and women can be serving the darkness either consciously or unconsciously, and in either case, what you were apparently being "prompted" to invite into yourself was demonic, and the Lord did indeed protect you from it.

In my Baptism in the Holy Spirit, I was instructed to - whenever I felt led to and not before - speak anything that came to me. But I was around a group of truly godly men who were praying in the Spirit, and what eventually happened is the flood gates opened and out came a very powerful and loud experience that set me on the road to where I am today. But that is a different thing, IMO, than what you were involved in, and you did well to flee that environment, IMO. I would just caution against throwing the baby out with the bathwater. That's one of the reasons why Satan does these things. He wants the truly devout to cast aside their faith in the operations of the Spirit, and regard them all as demonic, when it is really only his which qualify.

 

[JLB]

The Greek word for "temple" where the Spirit is in us describes only the "holy of holies", not the courtyard:

Do you not know that you are the temple(3485 ναός naos) of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Cor. 3:16 NKJ)

3485 ναός naos {nah-os'}
Meaning: 1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)-Strong's

In our flesh dwells no good thing (Rom. 7:18), so the Holy Spirit does not "touch" our flesh at all. Only our spirit, He envelopes it, quickens it, giving us that "born again" experience we all know and love.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (Rom. 8:14-16 NKJ)

I never said the Holy Spirit touched our flesh.

Unclean spirits can and do touch our flesh and oppress our soul, while the Spirit resides in our spirit.

We are a three-partite being spirit, soul and body.

The temple typtifies that pattern as being three: outer court, holy place and holy of holies.

Sin gives the devil "access" to us. It opens the door for us to become oppressed.

Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1



JLB

 

[Alfred Persson]

Yes, and it is also important who the son is asking. He can be a true son, but if he is distant enough from God in his understanding of spiritual matters still, he can place himself in a position where he is actually in enemy territory, and "prompting" the wrong spirit without realizing it.

See, I have read accounts by those who have been deeply involved in Satanism that they pose as counterfeit leaders and even pastors of churches. Not saying that was necessarily the situation in your case, but men and women can be serving the darkness either consciously or unconsciously, and in either case, what you were apparently being "prompted" to invite into yourself was demonic, and the Lord did indeed protect you from it.

In my Baptism in the Holy Spirit, I was instructed to - whenever I felt led to and not before - speak anything that came to me. But I was around a group of truly godly men who were praying in the Spirit, and what eventually happened is the flood gates opened and out came a very powerful and loud experience that set me on the road to where I am today. But that is a different thing, IMO, than what you were involved in, and you did well to flee that environment, IMO. I would just caution against throwing the baby out with the bathwater. That's one of the reasons why Satan does these things. He wants the truly devout to cast aside their faith in the operations of the Spirit, and regard them all as demonic, when it is really only his which qualify.

That wouldn't be true of Bethany Christian. Satan's attack had nothing to do with them. The pastor certainly wasn't a Satanist.

I am glad everything worked out well for you.

I am no arbiter of spiritual experiences, its not my job. I can only rejoice you feel blessed by God for all He has done in your life.

But I can judge people by their fruits:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Hidden in this scripture is THE FRUIT that reveals which miracle workers are of God and which are not. Those who obey Christ's Father = Scripture, are "of God".

Those who are Lawless (disobey God's law=Scripture) are "of the Devil".

Even when the signs and wonders they do seem very "Christian like", if they disobey Scripture they are TARES the Devil sown among the Wheat.

That is the one thing Satan cannot counterfeit in his TARE children for then Satan would be divided against himself and his kingdom couldn't stand (Mt. 12:26)

That is how I know if a prophet or dreamer is "of God." I don't judge his experiences; I see if he obeys Scripture.

I'm not talking about agreement on every scripture, we Christians love our disputes.

There are basic moral teachings no one disputes and disobedience to these identify "false prophets."

As does verifiable false prophecy or any appeal to follow other Gods.

32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 "and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying,`Let us go after other gods'-- which you have not known--`and let us serve them,'
3 "you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 "You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. (Deut. 12:32-13:4 NKJ)

 

[Hidden In Him]

That wouldn't be true of Bethany Christian. Satan's attack had nothing to do with them. The pastor certainly wasn't a Satanist.

I am glad everything worked out well for you.

I am no arbiter of spiritual experiences, its not my job. I can only rejoice you feel blessed by God for all He has done in your life.

But I can judge people by their fruits:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Hidden in this scripture is THE FRUIT that reveals which miracle workers are of God and which are not. Those who obey Christ's Father = Obey Scripture, are "of God".

Those who are Lawless (disobey God's law=Scripture) are "of the Devil".

Even when the signs and wonders they do seem very "Christian like", if they disobey Scripture they are TARES the Devil sown among the Wheat.

That is the one thing Satan cannot counterfeit in his TARE children for then Satan would be divided against himself and his kingdom couldn't stand (Mt. 12:26)

That is how I know if a prophet or dreamer is "of God." I don't judge his experiences; I see if he obeys Scripture.

I'm not talking about agreement on every scripture, we Christians love our disputes.

There are basic moral teachings no one disputes and disobedience to these identify "false prophets."

As does verifiable false prophecy or any appeal to follow other Gods.

32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 "and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying,`Let us go after other gods'-- which you have not known--`and let us serve them,'
3 "you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 "You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. (Deut. 12:32-13:4 NKJ)

Yeah, I would agree with all that.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I never said the Holy Spirit touched our flesh.

Unclean spirits can and do touch our flesh and oppress our soul, while the Spirit resides in our spirit.

We are a three-partite being spirit, soul and body.

The temple typtifies that pattern as being three: outer court, holy place and holy of holies.

Sin gives the devil "access" to us. It opens the door for us to become oppressed.

Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1



JLB

That's an interesting simile, but I don't agree Satan can harm a believer. God won't permit it.

We all sin, God doesn't leave us or forsake us when we do. He leads us to repentance, yes. Let Satan destroy us, no.

Anything that happens to our physical bodies, if its in response to sin is God doing it, not Satan.

Believers always have the victory over Satan because we are of God, He gives us the victory:

You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. (1 Jn. 4:4 NKJ)


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