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Test The Spirits in Dreams Visions Abductions

That's an interesting simile, but I don't agree Satan can harm a believer. God won't permit it.

God has already given us all things that pertain to eternal life and godliness.

IOW we have the same Holy Spirit Jesus had.

We have the same scriptures that Jesus had.

We have the name of Jesus to use against the enemy.

And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;


We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18


It’s up to us to “keep ourselves”!


Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1









JLB
 
God has already given us all things that pertain to eternal life and godliness.

IOW we have the same Holy Spirit Jesus had.

We have the same scriptures that Jesus had.

We have the name of Jesus to use against the enemy.

And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;


We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18


It’s up to us to “keep ourselves”!


Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1









JLB
I won't argue against that at all.

In fact, I know a way one can win over lust, "keep himself" from being overpowered.

"Will power" does NOT work against "Desire", eventually will power wanes and the desire only gets stronger the more you try not to do it. Just thinking about it gives the desire strength.

Defeat desire with desire. When wrong desire flares up, concentrate on your desire to live with God in love and holiness, in His unchanging light where nothing in you fails to radiate the same light. I often picture myself as transparent, God's light going through me without any blockage. Hallelujah, I want that. I desire it.

That destroys the wrong desire every time. In the past when I tried will power, I often failed.
 
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Yeah, I would agree with all that.
My pet peeve about discussing great experiences in Christ is how it affects those who haven't had them. They feel like second class Christians, left out.

But that is far from the truth. Fact is, on the Day of Pentecost most believers did not speak in tongues or do signs and wonders. Only a few did them, and they were gifted by God to accomplish certain ministries in the Church.

Everyone had the born again experience, that is what made them all equals.

I discuss that on my site:

https://endtimenews.net/baptism-in-the-spirit/

Whenever a believer confides in me they feel left out, like a stranger because they don't speak in tongues or prophesy, I tell them to hear the word of the LORD:

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner Who has joined himself to the LORD Speak, saying, "The LORD has utterly separated me from His people"; Nor let the eunuch say, "Here I am, a dry tree."
4 For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house And within My walls a place and a name Better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name That shall not be cut off.
6 "Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants-- Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant--
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations." (Isa. 56:3-7 NKJ)
 
I won't argue against that at all.

In fact, I know a way one can win over lust, "keep himself" from being overpowered.

"Will power" does NOT work against "Desire", eventually will power wanes and the desire only gets stronger the more you try not to do it.

Defeat desire with desire. When wrong desire flares up, concentrate on your desire to live with God in love and holiness, in His unchanging light where nothing in you fails to radiate the same light. I often picture myself as transparent, God's light going through me without any blockage. Hallelujah, I want that. I desire it.

That destroys the wrong desire every time. In the past when I tried will power, I often failed.

It's by the Spirit.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13





JLB
 
It's by the Spirit.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13





JLB
its "by the Spirit", "you" put to death the deeds of the body.

You have to do it, the Spirit does not do it for you.

Defeating evil desire with good desire works for me every time. Will power did not.

Perhaps our readers will try it, if you don't.
 
"As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or practices related to speaking in tongues. However, in general, the belief among those who practice speaking in tongues is that the words spoken in tongues are not pre-planned or consciously chosen by the speaker, but rather are inspired by the Holy Spirit in the moment.
The Holy Spirit gives the utterance . The Holy Spirit controls all of the parts that make your speech come out and you do not know what words will be spoken until they are . MrChat did good just trying to clarify .
In other words, when "prompting the Spirit" for speaking in tongues, the speaker is not necessarily trying to think of specific words to say, but rather is opening themselves up to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and allowing the Spirit to speak through them.-ChatGPT"
Correct ,you do not think the words the Holy Spirit speaks .
Christians are not to ask God to control them, WHY would He want to do that?

He gave us free will so we control ourselves!


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Gal. 5:22-23 NKJ)
The Holy Spirit knows I am a willing vessel and if I need to be used in God's service, go ahead .
A few years back I was a patient on a limited access floor of a hospital , I was in for observation , how I came to be in the hospital is an epic story . Once a day we would have a session with a leader asking a question and we would take turns giving our thoughts . The leader asked the question and I was not first in line to answer and as I was sitting there trying to form an answer in my head it was NOT happening no matter how I tried ! I knew that something needed to be said but I could not even get two words together in my mind . When it came for my turn to speak much to my shock my mouth opened and out came the most eloquent words and the words came out with force and precision but they were NOT my words it was the Holy Spirit giving the message in English . I am by no stretch of the imagination a good speaker , so my face had to be one of utter disbelief as the words came out of my mouth .
Like I said I was shocked when the Holy Spirit spoke through me and I do not remember what it was the Holy Spirit said , sadly . But the message was for someone sitting there in that room . The message to me was the Holy Spirit will speak in any form He needs to , the message is important not the medium .
 

Gonna comment on a few things here as I'm listening, and I think much of what he is saying is good so far, so I'm simply picking out parts where I would have disagreements with him.

At roughly 6:20 through 7:45, he argues that the dream Pilate's wife had was demonic, because
A. It was a nightmare, and
B. It implied that her husband would kill an innocent man.

I personally regard the dream as confirmation from God that Jesus would be unjustly crucified. The dream had no effect on Pilate's decision, nor would it have. He had a politically expedient job to do, and it was to comply with the overriding wishes of the Jews. Even then, however, he did his best to avoid having to do so, and washed his hands of the responsibility when they would not relent. This I believe was in keeping with prophecies that it would in reality be the Jewish leadership who ultimately had Him killed (Mark 12:1-9)

As for a dream not being from God simply because it is a nightmare, that's a position I consistently disagree with. If someone is about to commit a grievous or extremely serious act before God, they NEED to receive a strong warning about what they are doing. Before entering into a blood covenant with God Himself, Abraham had terrifying dreams in the night, and for good reason (Genesis 15:12). Breaking a blood covenant with someone means you are a dead man, and this was about to be formed with God, not with man. Some of the prophesies recorded in scripture are also deeply nightmarish, yet they have to be said so that humanity knows where things are headed if they do not repent.
 

His proof for demonic dreams btw is actually Jude 1:8, which was speaking of the Gnostics, who received dreams by demonic inspiration, and were deeply heretical in their theology and steeped in sexual sins.
 

Job 33:14-17 also contradicts him, IMO, but I'm glad he quotes the early part of this passage at around 12:30, because v.14 is an absolutely outstanding verse. It essentially implies that He speaks to us All again and again, even the unsaved I believe, to warn us about the directions we are taking in life. I was talking to a friend just recently and he told me he wished he had known his dreams had meaning all this time, as he might have allowed God to save him a great deal of trouble over the years.
 
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Gonna comment on a few things here as I'm listening, and I think much of what he is saying is good so far, so I'm simply picking out parts where I would have disagreements with him.

At roughly 6:20 through 7:45, he argues that the dream Pilate's wife had was demonic, because
A. It was a nightmare, and
B. It implied that her husband would kill an innocent man.

I personally regard the dream as confirmation from God that Jesus would be unjustly crucified. The dream had no effect on Pilate's decision, nor would it have. He had a politically expedient job to do, and it was to comply with the overriding wishes of the Jews. Even then, however, he did his best to avoid having to do so, and washed his hands of the responsibility when they would not relent. This I believe was in keeping with prophecies that it would in reality be the Jewish leadership who ultimately had Him killed (Mark 12:1-9)

As for a dream not being from God simply because it is a nightmare, that's a position I consistently disagree with. If someone is about to commit a grievous or extremely serious act before God, they NEED to receive a strong warning about what they are doing. Before entering into a blood covenant with God Himself, Abraham had terrifying dreams in the night, and for good reason (Genesis 15:12). Breaking a blood covenant with someone means you are a dead man, and this was about to be formed with God, not with man. Some of the prophesies recorded in scripture are also deeply nightmarish, yet they have to be said so that humanity knows where things are headed if they do not repent.
Your citing Abraham's dream certainly proved his inference from "nightmare" is wrong,

But he is on stronger ground arguing it went against God's plan. If we weighed the choices, as it was against God's plan gives his argument more weight. It did affect Pilate, he tried his best to not crucify Christ. It doesn't follow its failure to stop Pilate proves it wasn't from demons.

I often wonder about the "star" that led to Herod slaying all the children trying to kill Christ. In scripture "stars" can be angels, and the fact it moved to where Christ was indicated it really wasn't a "star." But as Scripture doesn't otherwise suggest it was evil, we can only speculate.

His premise demons can tap into the data stream of our subconscious minds is insightful, but inaccurate claiming they enter the subconscious. As we can with our technology, data can be downloaded into the brain from a distance.
 
His proof for demonic dreams btw is actually Jude 1:8, which was speaking of the Gnostics, who received dreams by demonic inspiration, and were deeply heretical in their theology and steeped in sexual sins.
I disagree, Jude is talking to believers and warning them about the TARES among them, who participate in church activities such as a 'love feast':

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;
13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (Jude 1:3-13 NKJ)
 
His inferences from Temple=body, apart from supposing demons can enter a believer's body, are quite good.

His admonition against secular music and TV is right on. Although I might not give it all up, he makes a good point I should.

I really like the classic rock and alternative 90's music, but ignore the lyrics. But it does all enter the subconscious mind and paint pictures on the wall, so to speak.

I'll have to deliberate on that a bit, sometimes secular movies reveal truth that is useful to understand how this age operates:

8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. (Lk. 16:8 KJV)


Thanks for sharing the video.
 
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Gonna comment on a few things here as I'm listening, and I think much of what he is saying is good so far, so I'm simply picking out parts where I would have disagreements with him.

At roughly 6:20 through 7:45, he argues that the dream Pilate's wife had was demonic, because
A. It was a nightmare, and
B. It implied that her husband would kill an innocent man.

I personally regard the dream as confirmation from God that Jesus would be unjustly crucified. The dream had no effect on Pilate's decision, nor would it have. He had a politically expedient job to do, and it was to comply with the overriding wishes of the Jews. Even then, however, he did his best to avoid having to do so, and washed his hands of the responsibility when they would not relent. This I believe was in keeping with prophecies that it would in reality be the Jewish leadership who ultimately had Him killed (Mark 12:1-9)

As for a dream not being from God simply because it is a nightmare, that's a position I consistently disagree with. If someone is about to commit a grievous or extremely serious act before God, they NEED to receive a strong warning about what they are doing. Before entering into a blood covenant with God Himself, Abraham had terrifying dreams in the night, and for good reason (Genesis 15:12). Breaking a blood covenant with someone means you are a dead man, and this was about to be formed with God, not with man. Some of the prophesies recorded in scripture are also deeply nightmarish, yet they have to be said so that humanity knows where things are headed if they do not repent.
What do you think about his "generational curse" (Frame 36:5). Exodus 20:5 is often cited as proof of that, but that conclusion is explicitly rejected by the prophet Ezekeil:

1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. (Ezek. 18:1-13 KJV)

As the bible never contradicts itself, the interpretation Exodus 20:5 speaks of a "generational curse" must be wrong. When we look at the text in context, we notice its speaking to the Israelites:

1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (Exod. 20:1-6 KJV)

"Visiting the iniquity of the fathers" would only be on the children if they were guilty of following the tradition of their fathers.

Same with showing mercy upon thousands, we often see children the righteous who were not shown mercy when they became idolatrous etc.

Therefore, there is no generational curse unless one is guilty of doing the sins of their father, or generational blessing unless one is doing the righteousness of their father.
 
Gonna comment on a few things here as I'm listening, and I think much of what he is saying is good so far, so I'm simply picking out parts where I would have disagreements with him.

Amen.
 
Job 33:14-17 also contradicts him, IMO, but I'm glad he quotes the early part of this passage at around 12:30, because v.14 is an absolutely outstanding verse. It essentially implies that He speaks to us All again and again, even the unsaved I believe, to warn us about the directions we are taking in life. I was talking to a friend just recently and he told me he wished he had known his dreams had meaning all this time, as he might have allowed God to save him a great deal of trouble over the years.
I'd be really cautious about that, it is written:

1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. (Eph. 2:1-3 NKJ)

Satan tempts, and doing that through dreams (given the lurid dreams everyone has), seems like a "no-brainer."
 
Job 33:14-17 also contradicts him, IMO, but I'm glad he quotes the early part of this passage at around 12:30, because v.14 is an absolutely outstanding verse. It essentially implies that He speaks to us All again and again, even the unsaved I believe, to warn us about the directions we are taking in life. I was talking to a friend just recently and he told me he wished he had known his dreams had meaning all this time, as he might have allowed God to save him a great deal of trouble over the years.

I like your keen insight and attention to detail.

Remember he has been used by God to bring deliverance and healing to many many people. He has seen that much of what we call deliverance (casting out devils) has advanced much in these last days because the enemy has become more and more sophisticated in his operation of deception and counterfeiting the Holy Spirit.


Please remain humble and open, which at the same time being cautious and discerning.





JLB
 
His inferences from Temple=body, apart from supposing demons can enter a believer's body, are quite good.

His admonition against secular music and TV is right on. Although I might not give it all up, he makes a good point I should.

I really like the classic rock and alternative 90's music, but ignore the lyrics. But it does all enter the subconscious mind and paint pictures on the wall, so to speak.

I'll have to deliberate on that a bit, sometimes secular movies reveal truth that is useful to understand how this age operates:

8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. (Lk. 16:8 KJV)


Thanks for sharing the video.

Thank you so much for starting this thread and sharing with us.

You have opened up a much needed topic and are helping develop a good conversation whereby we can share “the part” we all see as individuals, so we can cultivate understanding in a atmosphere of unity.


God bless you and keep you, and your whole household.


My wife and I are counseling and taking people through deliverance.

The Spirit of God is setting people free.



JLB
 
Thank you so much for starting this thread and sharing with us.

You have opened up a much needed topic and are helping develop a good conversation whereby we can share “the part” we all see as individuals, so we can cultivate understanding in a atmosphere of unity.


God bless you and keep you, and your whole household.


My wife and I are counseling and taking people through deliverance.

The Spirit of God is setting people free.



JLB
Praise God our Father, in Jesus' holy Name! In communion with the Holy Spirit!
 
I disagree, Jude is talking to believers and warning them about the TARES among them, who participate in church activities such as a 'love feast':

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;
13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (Jude 1:3-13 NKJ)

That was the modus operandi of the Gnostics. No other group in early church history comes anywhere close to fitting this description.
 
I'd be really cautious about that, it is written:

1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. (Eph. 2:1-3 NKJ)

Satan tempts, and doing that through dreams (given the lurid dreams everyone has), seems like a "no-brainer."

This operates on the assumption that God cannot and will not speak to the unsaved as well. Not something I subscribe to. God spoke to Pharaoh, God spoke to Nebuchadnezzar, and I believe He also spoke to Pilate's wife as well, knowing that nothing would stop the events from happening, but making sure that the blame lay squarely upon the Jewish leadership in order to genuinely fulfill prophecy.
 
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