The 10 Commandments are for EVERYONE.

[GodsGrace]

More absolutely ridiculous false accusations.

I never once claimed I owned anything on this site. I was merely pointing out the fact that I knew this thread well, and what all I had posted in it, as I was the one that started it.

I'm telling you right now, you are wasting everybody's time here.

Just pull the plug already. Ban me.

You're not gonna get me on some totally trumped up charges.

Just do it already. And know that you are accomplishing absolutely NOTHING.

Why are you trying desperately to be banned?
Why did you join this forum if not to discuss?
Admin and staff are very fair to members.
I'd like to discuss this with you but have been feeling under the weather.

Please try to be here when I can post tomorrow.

 

[theWind]

I happen to agree with you that we may be breaking one of God's commandments.

Can't say too much now,,,,tomorrow.

But I'll say this:

I'm not wrong about everything I wrote to you.
Not every covenant is conditional, and of this I am 100% certain.

Also, brains bigger than ours have pondered this dilemma and have practiced Sunday worship for 2,000 years.

These new ideas that have come to us post the reformation and are new to Christianity are rather divisive to the Body of Christ.

More in the morning...

There's nothing new about exactly what the Bible teaches.

Every Covenant is conditional.

Look at Matt. 7:21-23; John 15:1-6. In multiple other places, God speaks of blotting names out of the Book of Life. How do you reconcile that with your current understanding?

The only thing I could say is unconditional in Scripture is the Prophecies that tell us exactly how things will be in the end.

I wouldn't want God to be any other way. It is a sign of His iron integrity that He does what He says He will do and expects us to do something in turn. The notion that Christians don't have to do a single thing to be saved is modern mainstream nonsense. There will be MANY in that day that cry and scream out and beg and plead and argue when they discover that they are rejected by Jesus at the Judgment.

Jesus Himself makes this very clear and He also tells us that it is a very NARROW road that make it into heaven. Very few Christians, relatively, will hit the mark. Very few.

And there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus' own words - not mine.

 

[theWind]

Why are you trying desperately to be banned?
Why did you join this forum if not to discuss?
Admin and staff are very fair to members.
I'd like to discuss this with you but have been feeling under the weather.

Please try to be here when I can post tomorrow.

I don't ever do anything to be banned but preach Truth.

That's all it takes.

 

[theWind]

10 FACTS YOU NEED TO KNOW

 

[theWind]

The question has been raised as to whether Sunday is the day Christians should worship.

Since the 4th Commandment is the Commandment to worship on Saturday, this video will help many in answering this question.

Should Christians obey the 4th Commandment?

 

[theWind]

Through just a small amount of study, we see that the 10 Commandments are now, and have always been, valid for modern Christians.

Many verses have been posted in this thread to bolster this case. Here are a handful for a recap.

The Commandments were NOT given only to the race of people present at the Mt. Sinai giving of the 10 Commandments by God Almighty. We see proof of that in Deut. 29:11 and Deut. 29:14-15.

Does the Bible ever speak positively about the 10 Commandments/Law of God? Absolutely it does. There are many verses all throughout the book of Psalms that support this. The entire chapter of Psalm 119 speaks well of, and even encourages the keeping of, the Commandments. Psalm 111:7-8 is a great verse for making this case.

One of the easiest, and most effective, ways to learn that the Commandments are valid for Christians today is to go to Jesus Christ. What did Jesus do?

Well, Jesus obeyed each and every last one of the 10 Commandments and He made clear to His disciples that He did in John 15:10.

Yes, but did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments?

He absolutely did. He specifically taught, in depth, each Commandment and He even points out in Matt. 23:1-3 that Christians should do exactly as the Pharisees and scribes say, but never to do as they did. For the evil Pharisees and scribes never obeyed the Commandments. They only taught, and guilt-tripped, the crowds to obey them. They themselves were dirty hypocrites and Jesus made this sentiment plain throughout the remainder of the 23rd chapter of Matthew.

So we see that Jesus obeyed the 10 Commandments; we see that Jesus taught them as well.

Can we find any Scripture anywhere that demonstrates Jesus' followers obeying any of the Commandments after Jesus died on the Cross? We sure can. In fact, it is found immediately after Christ was Crucified, the very night of His death, that His very close followers observed the Sabbath according to the Commandment.
Luke 23:56

Is there anything else that we can look at in Scripture to further assist us in understanding that the 10 Commandments are still valid for Christians today? Absolutely. John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the very definition of sin is the breaking of the Commandments of God. We know due to the context there that this is speaking of the 10 Commandments and in the next two verses we see that there is no sin whatsoever in Christ and those who abide in Christ do not break the Commandments. Whoever breaks the 10 Commandments does not know Christ at all, which means they do not have the Holy Spirit residing within them.

To be sure that this is what is being said, we can turn to John 14:21 and see that Christ Himself tells us there that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is required for the Holy Spirit to indwell us as Christians.

One last reminder of the importance of keeping the 10 Commandments is demonstrated in Matt. 7:21-23 where Christ tells us that there will be many who will stand before Him in utter shock as they make their case to Him; claiming that they having done many wonderful things in their life in His Name. Sadly, He will utterly reject them saying, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."

Iniquity means sin and we have seen that sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. These will be people who lived their lives certain that they were right with God, but their habits of living in sin on a daily basis worked iniquity (sin) into the surrounding society by their example. They encouraged others to break the Commandments by their sheer indifference to them and they caused many to fall by their actions.

 

[Free]

Through just a small amount of study, we see that the 10 Commandments are now, and have always been, valid for modern Christians.

Many verses have been posted in this thread to bolster this case. Here are a handful for a recap.

The Commandments were NOT given only to the race of people present at the Mt. Sinai giving of the 10 Commandments by God Almighty. We see proof of that in Deut. 29:11 and Deut. 29:14-15.

Does the Bible ever speak positively about the 10 Commandments/Law of God? Absolutely it does. There are many verses all throughout the book of Psalms that support this. The entire chapter of Psalm 119 speaks well of, and even encourages the keeping of, the Commandments. Psalm 111:7-8 is a great verse for making this case.

One of the easiest, and most effective, ways to learn that the Commandments are valid for Christians today is to go to Jesus Christ. What did Jesus do?

Well, Jesus obeyed each and every last one of the 10 Commandments and He made clear to His disciples that He did in John 15:10.

Yes, but did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments?

He absolutely did. He specifically taught, in depth, each Commandment and He even points out in Matt. 23:1-3 that Christians should do exactly as the Pharisees and scribes say, but never to do as they did. For the evil Pharisees and scribes never obeyed the Commandments. They only taught, and guilt-tripped, the crowds to obey them. They themselves were dirty hypocrites and Jesus made this sentiment plain throughout the remainder of the 23rd chapter of Matthew.

So we see that Jesus obeyed the 10 Commandments; we see that Jesus taught them as well.

Can we find any Scripture anywhere that demonstrates Jesus' followers obeying any of the Commandments after Jesus died on the Cross? We sure can. In fact, it is found immediately after Christ was Crucified, the very night of His death, that His very close followers observed the Sabbath according to the Commandment.
Luke 23:56

Is there anything else that we can look at in Scripture to further assist us in understanding that the 10 Commandments are still valid for Christians today? Absolutely. John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the very definition of sin is the breaking of the Commandments of God. We know due to the context there that this is speaking of the 10 Commandments and in the next two verses we see that there is no sin whatsoever in Christ and those who abide in Christ do not break the Commandments. Whoever breaks the 10 Commandments does not know Christ at all, which means they do not have the Holy Spirit residing within them.

To be sure that this is what is being said, we can turn to John 14:21 and see that Christ Himself tells us there that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is required for the Holy Spirit to indwell us as Christians.

One last reminder of the importance of keeping the 10 Commandments is demonstrated in Matt. 7:21-23 where Christ tells us that there will be many who will stand before Him in utter shock as they make their case to Him; claiming that they having done many wonderful things in their life in His Name. Sadly, He will utterly reject them saying, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."

Iniquity means sin and we have seen that sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. These will be people who lived their lives certain that they were right with God, but their habits of living in sin on a daily basis worked iniquity (sin) into the surrounding society by their example. They encouraged others to break the Commandments by their sheer indifference to them and they caused many to fall by their actions.

Do you agree with this?

"We still need the Ten Words handed down at Sinai. Have they been changed in some respects by the coming of Christ? For sure—transformed but not trashed. We can no longer keep the Ten Commandments rightly unless we keep them in Christ, through Christ, and with a view to the all-surpassing greatness of Christ. As new creations in Christ, the law is not only our duty but also our delight. If we want to love Christ as he deserves and as he desires, we will keep his commandments (John 14:15)."

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/10-things-ten-commandments/

In the end, it is complicated when trying to understand what Paul says in the light of what Jesus says:

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (ESV)

 

[atpollard]

What are the chances that sound Theology is found in a video posted on Youtube?
(How will you get those minutes of your life back?)

 

[atpollard]

Jesus taught that the 10 commmandment are worse than replaced, they were never ever even adequate for achieving righteousness.

I could go my entire life without ever having an affair and still stand condemned for adultery: Matthew 5:27-28 [NKJV] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

So the “Greatest Commandments” [Matthew 22:37-40] cover far more ground than just the 10 Commandments and the ability to obey comes from God [Ezekiel 36:26-27, Matthew 19:26, Philippians 2:13]

 

[for_his_glory]

What are the chances that sound Theology is found in a video posted on Youtube?
(How will you get those minutes of your life back?)

??? there are many good teachings of the word of God on YouTube.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus taught that the 10 commmandment are worse than replaced, they were never ever even adequate for achieving righteousness.

I could go my entire life without ever having an affair and still stand condemned for adultery: Matthew 5:27-28 [NKJV] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

So the “Greatest Commandments” [Matthew 22:37-40] cover far more ground than just the 10 Commandments and the ability to obey comes from God [Ezekiel 36:26-27, Matthew 19:26, Philippians 2:13]

I can almost be sure the ten commandments are hanging on your church walls. If we are not taught them then how would we know we would be sinning against God by not following these commands that are not burdensome.

 

[theWind]

We can no longer keep the Ten Commandments rightly

Not sure what you mean by this.

Which of the 10 are impossible for us to keep?

Why would they have been easier for us to keep in a time past?

 

[theWind]

What are the chances that sound Theology is found in a video posted on Youtube?
(How will you get those minutes of your life back?)

I actually agree with you.

There are very few Youtube videos that contain Biblical Truth.

The funny things is, though, the modern mainstream churchian teachings, that are being argued for throughout this thread by all besides me, make up 99.9% of the Theological Youtube videos found online.

Therefore, the point you are making actually discredits the views of those who are arguing against the view of this OP.

 

[theWind]

Jesus taught that the 10 commmandment are worse than replaced, they were never ever even adequate for achieving righteousness.

Really? Did you have a verse that we could review for that?

Jesus really contradicted Himself here then didn't He?:
"... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, ... Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt. 5:18-19

I could go my entire life without ever having an affair and still stand condemned for adultery: Matthew 5:27-28 [NKJV] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

True Christians strive to avoid sin at all costs and the indwelling Holy Spirit reminds them, guides them and empowers them to overcome.

So the “Greatest Commandments” [Matthew 22:37-40] cover far more ground than just the 10 Commandments and the ability to obey comes from God [Ezekiel 36:26-27, Matthew 19:26, Philippians 2:13]

They're the same Commandments. They are abbreviations of the original 10.

And it seems like you're saying the Commandments are inadequate, that they can't be obeyed and then contradicting yourself in saying that they can only be obeyed with God's help.

How do you interpret this passage:

"He that hath My Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself unto him. ... If a man love Me, he will keep My Words: and My Father will love Him, and we will come unto him and make our abode with him."
John 14:21, 23

 

[theWind]

I can almost be sure the ten commandments are hanging on your church walls. If we are not taught them then how would we know we would be sinning against God by not following these commands that are not burdensome.

How indeed. Not a soul reads their Bible.

You might be surprised to find that they are not on church walls anymore.

They used to be on the walls of every courthouse and municipal building across America not too many decades ago.

Now ..... nothing.

No pledge of allegiance in public schools any longer, no mentioning God, no 10 Commandments, etc.

 

[Believer of the Word]

Hi Believer
Welcome to the forum.

I'd like to ask you a question...

The NT was written in Greek.
Do you think the people from 2,000 years ago might have had a different understanding of words than we do today?

For instance, what did the word BELIEVE mean to those reading the NT back then?

Hi,
Thank you for the welcome! I believe that most arguments over what a word meant "back then in the greek" are misguided in that modern scholars, being hundreds of years further removed from those dialects, are not more qualified to translate, but in fact, less qualified. As an example of what I'm talking about, consider when a baseball fan today says " that was a sick pitch". One thousand years from now, a "modern translator" armed with his study of a tattered dictionary translates this to mean that the pitcher had a disease of some sort. Present day scholars always consider themselves to be smarter than their predecessors. I don't think so.

 

[BB1956]

To all those who think that all the laws have been fulfilled in Christ you are very wrong as below are the laws that are written upon our heart and can only be fulfilled when Christ returns and makes an end to sin by throwing it into the lake of fire with that of the beast and the false prophets. The only laws that Christ has fulfilled so far are that of the Temple and its sacrifices. Someone please show me in scripture where Jesus has fulfilled all the laws, because in Matthew 22:35-40 and Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus does not say that he has already fulfilled all of them, but that love was the greatest of them all.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

We need to present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us. This is a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

Morality in God is His greatest commandment of love as we treat others as we want others to treat us. God is love and wants us to love and treat others as He loves and treats us.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


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I agree that we can't murder people. We still have to obey that command to not murder people. We also still have to put forth the effort to not steal from anyone. To not bear false testimony toward people. We also are not to covet what belongs to another. We are to love one another.

The problem with the Jews is they thought if they obeyed the law covenant, that would save them. However the scriptures never taught that any law or set of laws could save anyone. So the law covenant was never meant to save anyone. But instead to teach how sinful mankind was and that no sinful human could obey a perfect law(the law covenant) perfectly so they needed someone who would come in the likeness of the first Adam remain sinless by obeying the law covenant perfectly then sacrifice his perfect sinless human body and human life for mankind.
Th scriptures clearly teach that God sent his only begotten Son as a perfect sinless human like the first human Adam was, and he remained sinless until he was put to death then God resurrected him the third day after his death. The scriptures teach that those exercising faith in this loving act toward mankind is what saves mankind. No one can earn salvation.
But you're right, that doesn't mean we are not to obey the law covenant that tells us to not worship idols.
I agree we don't obey the law covenant thinking that it will save us, because the law covenant was never meant to save mankind in the first place. We also can't expect to live by any set of laws perfectly, because we're imperfect humans and the law covenant is a perfect law, we can't obey it perfectly. Does that mean we shouldn't put forth the effort to not be hateful to people? Does that mean we are not to put forth effort to not covet what belongs to another, or that we shouldn't put forth the effort to not steal from anyone?
And like you said, the scriptures teach us that the whole law hangs on two commands, (1) we are to love YHWH God with our whole heart, whole soul, and with our whole mind.
(2)And we are to love our neighbor as ourselves.
So showing we love God and our neighbor as ourselves is something God has always required of us. That means we are not to steal from people, we don't bear false witness against anyone, we are not even to be hateful to people. Hate the evil that people do, yes, but not hate people.

 

[atpollard]

They're the same Commandments. They are abbreviations of the original 10.

Not according to Matthew 5:27-28 ... the 10 say that I can look but not touch, Jesus and the TWO say looking is the same as touching in your heart. NOT THE SAME AT ALL!

(That's why you stumble over legalism to try to achieve righteousness. See Ephesians 2:1-10 for how GOD fixes us, and Philippians 2:13 for whose strength is responsible.)

 

[atpollard]

I can almost be sure the ten commandments are hanging on your church walls.

No, we are not Catholic ... we don't go in for that sort of veneration of objects. [No stations of the cross, either.]
We "Bapti-Costals" just get excited and get loud when we praise our Jesus and get to bragging on what He has done this week!

 

[atpollard]

I actually agree with you.

There are very few Youtube videos that contain Biblical Truth.

The funny things is, though, the modern mainstream churchian teachings, that are being argued for throughout this thread by all besides me, make up 99.9% of the Theological Youtube videos found online.

Therefore, the point you are making actually discredits the views of those who are arguing against the view of this OP.

Perhaps ... I just really hate being sent to watch a video that turns out to be 45 minutes or 2 hours of absolute nonsenense. If someone has something to say, they should just post it.