The 10 Commandments are for EVERYONE.

[atpollard]

Really? Did you have a verse that we could review for that?

Ummm ... the whole point of that section of scripture is that following the letter of the Law is not good enough. Did you really miss that part of Jesus' message? Here is just one example, again:

Matthew 5:27-28 [NKJV] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

 

[Highway54]

Tell that to the very first Christians who walked along side Jesus Christ in the flesh and learned from His mouth to their ears what He expected of Christians.

They observed the Saturday Sabbath the very night of His death on the Cross. Could almost swear I've already posted that in this thread multiple times, but ..... here it is again.
Luke 23:54-56

And why on earth would you be thankful if it were not a Commandment for Christians?

It is the day immediately prior to the modern-held day of worship. Would that be a huge imposition if that's when modern Christians worshiped instead of Sun?

Please explain.

Do you not like the idea of doing what God Commands His people to do? All the 10 Commandments are for our good, not some punishment or weighty tyrannical imposition.

You do understand that Sabbath was the last recorded Sabbath prior to Jesus' death correct? Likely you do not believe the Bible contradicts itself, so when Paul pointed out the sabbath ended with the death of Jesus, what evidence do you have that I am misinterpreting that? Col 2:16,17

 

[theWind]

Jesus already faced the wrath of God for ALL of our sins on the cross, why keep fighting a fight that's already been won?

It's only been won for those who follow Christ and adhere to God's Commandments.

Why did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments to all His disciples, the first Christians?

Why did He make such an example of following them all?

Why did His followers obey the 4th Commandment the night of His death?

Clearly the notion that one only has to believe to be saved is an abbreviated version of the Truth. Are you unfamiliar with this verse?

You believe, good for you. Even the demons believe and shudder.
James 2:19

Do you believe that demons will be present in heaven?

Surely not.

 

[theWind]

Ummm ... the whole point of that section of scripture is that following the letter of the Law is not good enough.

Nobody in this entire thread has tried to make the case that following the letter of the law is all that's needed to be saved.

False (straw man) argument.

 

[theWind]

the 10 say that I can look but not touch

Show me this verse as you are completely making things up now.

Have you ever even seen the 10 Commandments?

 

[theWind]

(That's why you stumble over legalism to try to achieve righteousness

Obedience to God is not Legalism, nor is it works salvation as Christ's Spirit is doing the work in us.

Phil. 2:13

 

[theWind]

Perhaps ... I just really hate being sent to watch a video that turns out to be 45 minutes or 2 hours of absolute nonsenense. If someone has something to say, they should just post it.

Who sent you?

1. It wasn't posted just for you.
2. There are many wonderful threads on this site to check out if this one is not to your liking.

God bless you.

 

[theWind]

You do understand that Sabbath was the last recorded Sabbath prior to Jesus' death correct? ... what evidence do you have

Oh, boy.

"And that day was the preparation (day prior to Sabbath), and the Sabbath drew on. And the women ... beheld the sepulchre, and how His (Jesus') body was laid. And they ... prepared spices and ointments (for Jesus' dead body); and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment."
Luke 23:54-56

Quite clearly AFTER Jesus' death.

 

[jaybo]

I can almost be sure the ten commandments are hanging on your church walls. If we are not taught them then how would we know we would be sinning against God by not following these commands that are not burdensome.

Because we have been given God's own Spirit, He who created the ten commandments and all the others. Does any Christian need to be told not to murder, not to steal, etc? Instead of the written commands and ordinances...

Ephesians 2:14-16, "For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us, abolishing the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace, and might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."

I mean, think about it for a minute. Do Christians refrain from murdering people because there is a command not to, or do they do so because they love their neighbors?

Philippians 4:6-8, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things."

This is the exact opposite of relying on some external law or command.

 

[theWind]

Because we have been given God's own Spirit, He who created the ten commandments and all the others. Does any Christian need to be told not to murder, not to steal, etc? Instead of the written commands and ordinances...

Ephesians 2:14-16, "For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us, abolishing the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace, and might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."

I mean, think about it for a minute. Do Christians refrain from murdering people because there is a command not to, or do they do so because they love their neighbors?

Philippians 4:6-8, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things."

This is the exact opposite of relying on some external law or command.

Some of the 10 Commandments are somewhat common sense moral Laws, but not all of them, to be sure.

1. Don't have any other gods (demons) before Me.

Nobody would know intuitively that they could possibly be worshiping spirits that are not God, nor of God, if God didn't make it clear - not only that this is possible, but that it is very important that we worship HIM Alone.

That means it can affect our very Salvation.

2. Make no idols (demon gods).

Very similar rule here that teaches us that we can put things in this world above God Almighty. Any such thing that takes His place in our hearts commits our worship to a demon-god that accepts worship of any thing other than God.

3. Don't take God's Name in vain.

It is likely not obvious to someone who has never seen the 10 Commandments that God does not want us using His Name in an irreverent, or less than holy, way. This is very important to God as words are powerful and speaking about Him in ways that do not show Him honor and reverence can have seriously negative spiritual consequences.

4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.

Nobody would have a clue that God Commands this without seeing the 10 Commandments somewhere. This makes clear:
a. That God has a very specific, and special, day that He has blessed, completely set apart (sanctified) from the other days of the week.

b. That God has commanded that we also keep this day special, and separate, from the other days.

c. That God expects us to worship Him and remember Him, and all His holy works - specifically the Creation of the world - on this specific day. Not any day of our choosing, but this one specific day that God has chosen.

The rest are mostly straightforward semi-common sense moral imperatives.

5. Respect and honor parents.
6. Don't murder.
7. No adultery.
8. Don't steal.
9. Don't lie (simplified - specifically don't claim to witness something dishonorable/unlawful that you didn't witness.)
10. Don't covet (Don't desire others' belongings.)

 

[atpollard]

Show me this verse as you are completely making things up now.

Have you ever even seen the 10 Commandments?

Good grief. How many times do I need to quote Matthew 5:27-28 to you?
You keep demanding a verse right after I just posted it!
You do know the 10 Commandments, right? Jesus quoted it in Matthew. Does the Commandment forbid me from LOOKING at another woman? What did Jesus say about it?

 

[theWind]

Good grief. How many times do I need to quote Matthew 5:27-28 to you?
You keep demanding a verse right after I just posted it!
You do know the 10 Commandments, right? Jesus quoted it in Matthew. Does the Commandment forbid me from LOOKING at another woman? What did Jesus say about it?

Here is your silly claim from post #78

the 10 say that I can look but not touch

Yeah, you haven't supported that with anything yet.

Matt. 5 is not the 10 Commandments.

Nowhere in the 10 Commandments does it say we can look but cannot touch. (See post #90)

That is what is called dishonesty and insincerity.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree that we can't murder people. We still have to obey that command to not murder people. We also still have to put forth the effort to not steal from anyone. To not bear false testimony toward people. We also are not to covet what belongs to another. We are to love one another.

The problem with the Jews is they thought if they obeyed the law covenant, that would save them. However the scriptures never taught that any law or set of laws could save anyone. So the law covenant was never meant to save anyone. But instead to teach how sinful mankind was and that no sinful human could obey a perfect law(the law covenant) perfectly so they needed someone who would come in the likeness of the first Adam remain sinless by obeying the law covenant perfectly then sacrifice his perfect sinless human body and human life for mankind.
Th scriptures clearly teach that God sent his only begotten Son as a perfect sinless human like the first human Adam was, and he remained sinless until he was put to death then God resurrected him the third day after his death. The scriptures teach that those exercising faith in this loving act toward mankind is what saves mankind. No one can earn salvation.
But you're right, that doesn't mean we are not to obey the law covenant that tells us to not worship idols.
I agree we don't obey the law covenant thinking that it will save us, because the law covenant was never meant to save mankind in the first place. We also can't expect to live by any set of laws perfectly, because we're imperfect humans and the law covenant is a perfect law, we can't obey it perfectly. Does that mean we shouldn't put forth the effort to not be hateful to people? Does that mean we are not to put forth effort to not covet what belongs to another, or that we shouldn't put forth the effort to not steal from anyone?
And like you said, the scriptures teach us that the whole law hangs on two commands, (1) we are to love YHWH God with our whole heart, whole soul, and with our whole mind.
(2)And we are to love our neighbor as ourselves.
So showing we love God and our neighbor as ourselves is something God has always required of us. That means we are not to steal from people, we don't bear false witness against anyone, we are not even to be hateful to people. Hate the evil that people do, yes, but not hate people.

IMO, The ten commandments are 9 "thou shall not's" and one being a remembrance as God giving us guidelines to follow that keep us in His will and pleasing to Him as we walk in the greatest commandment of love. It's like a good parent that trains up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6

 

[for_his_glory]

No, we are not Catholic ... we don't go in for that sort of veneration of objects. [No stations of the cross, either.]
We "Bapti-Costals" just get excited and get loud when we praise our Jesus and get to bragging on what He has done this week!

I'm sorry, for some reason I thought you were Catholic, my bad.

 

[theWind]

We "Bapti-Costals"

So you believe Jesus is the Father, correct?

 

[atpollard]

Here is your silly claim from post #78

Yeah, you haven't supported that with anything yet.

Matt. 5 is not the 10 Commandments.

Nowhere in the 10 Commandments does it say we can look but cannot touch. (See post #90)

That is what is called dishonesty and insincerity.

Jesus quoted the Commandment, I would have thought the OT commandment quoted from the lips of GOD INCARNATE would have been good enough for you. I stand corrected.

So taking it step by step … (per your request):

• [Exodus 20:14 NKJV] "You shall not commit adultery.
• [Deuteronomy 5:18 NKJV] 'You shall not commit adultery.
  1. Are these one of the 10 commandments? (I no longer dare assume anything with you for fear of more false accusations).
  2. IF THIS IS ONE OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, then does this commandment forbid me from looking at Kim Basinger (the wife of another man).
  3. If I look at the wife of another woman, would the Sanhedrin convict me of Adultery and have me stoned? Is that what the LAW of Moses demanded? Is that what the 10 Commandments demanded?
  4. Am I wrong to claim that the letter of the Law (Commandment) does not forbid me from looking?
• [Matthew 5:27 NKJV] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'”
  1. Jesus said this with his own lips … you can look it up in your own Bible and confirm it.
  2. Do you at least agree that Jesus was quoting one of the 10 Commandments? Do you agree that Jesus was speaking of the commandment from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 that I posted above? Have I sufficiently quoted the Commandment EVEN FOR YOU.
• [Matthew 5:28 NKJV] "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
  1. “You have heard that it was said … but I say …”: Jesus is setting up a clear “compare-contrast” between the written Law (one of the 10 Commandments) and what Jesus commands.
  2. The Commandment (by the letter of the Law) allowed “looking”.
  3. Jesus says that even “looking” carries guilt, just the same as doing.
  4. “Already committed Adultery” is what Jesus said.
  5. THEREFORE, was I wrong that what the Commandment permitted God prohibited?
  6. Was I mistaken when I said that one could obey the Commandment and still be guilty in God’s sight?
  7. Was I wrong that the Commandment was insufficient to make a man righteous?
  8. IS THAT NOT EXACTLY THE POINT THAT JESUS WAS MAKING?
  9. Lastly, is the Commandment on Adultery presented in Matthew 5, or not? (So your accusation against me was false).
     

 

[atpollard]

So you believe Jesus is the Father, correct?

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic (universal) religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.

 

[Believer of the Word]

It's only been won for those who follow Christ and adhere to God's Commandments.

Why did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments to all His disciples, the first Christians?

Why did He make such an example of following them all?

Why did His followers obey the 4th Commandment the night of His death?

Clearly the notion that one only has to believe to be saved is an abbreviated version of the Truth. Are you unfamiliar with this verse?

You believe, good for you. Even the demons believe and shudder.
James 2:19

Do you believe that demons will be present in heaven?

Surely not.

The demons believe that there is one God, but they know that God sent his son to become a man and die for the sins of men, not to become a demon and die for the sins of demons.

Why did God have to send his son to die for our sins if we are capable of living a sinless life? God would have just said; "I gave you the 10 commandments, you know what to do!"
Why would ANYONE get saved in their youth knowing that one slip in the next 40 years would send you to hell? Perhaps you should back up a bit to

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The blood of Jesus is enough to cover all my sins, past present and future. This is not to say that a believer wantonly sins, like Paul we all press twoard the mark if we truly believe. But God's standards are so high that hatred is like unto murder and a lustful thought like unto adultery. There is none among men who can meet these standards, this is why Jesus Christ had to die, a sacrifice for our sins. It is only the blood that can save us, anything else is a counterfeit.

 

[for_his_glory]

Because we have been given God's own Spirit, He who created the ten commandments and all the others. Does any Christian need to be told not to murder, not to steal, etc? Instead of the written commands and ordinances...

Ephesians 2:14-16, "For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us, abolishing the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace, and might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."

I mean, think about it for a minute. Do Christians refrain from murdering people because there is a command not to, or do they do so because they love their neighbors?

Philippians 4:6-8, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things."

This is the exact opposite of relying on some external law or command.

The Ten Commandments are are a part of God's commands that we are to walk in obedience to. If it weren't for these commands of God then no one would know not to kill, steal and covet are wrong doings. It would only become a natural part of the worldly ways. I can't believe we are even discussing not following the ten commandments lke they are done away with.


Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Exo 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
Exo 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

 

[Highway54]

Oh, boy.

"And that day was the preparation (day prior to Sabbath), and the Sabbath drew on. And the women ... beheld the sepulchre, and how His (Jesus') body was laid. And they ... prepared spices and ointments (for Jesus' dead body); and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment."
Luke 23:54-56

Quite clearly AFTER Jesus' death.

You are quite correct Wind, my mistake sir, thanks for correcting me on it. My failure to proofread and to think about what you said Wind. Jesus' death did end the law, but technically the new covenant did not go into force until the outpouring of the holy spirit. God also kept the Law covenant in force till the end of the week Dan 9:27, and with Pauls admonition found at Col 2:14-17 we can assume that most were no longer observing it.

As far as I know no faith that claims to be Christian today observes it, at least in actuality. Everyone I know has violated it.