The age of accountability

[electedbyHim]

But, was it sin? How could it be if they were husband and wife? It would mean that it would be sinful for all husbands and wives to be naked when alone together.

This is a good point, and interests me.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

Gill Genesis 3:7

And the eyes of them both were opened,.... Not of their bodies, but of their minds; not so as to have an advanced knowledge of things pleasant, profitable, and useful, as was promised and expected, but of things very disagreeable and distressing. Their eyes were opened to see that they had been deceived by the serpent, that they had broke the commandment of God, and incurred the displeasure of their Creator and kind benefactor, and had brought ruin and destruction upon themselves; they saw what blessings and privileges they had lost, communion with God, the dominion of the creatures, the purity and holiness of their nature, and what miseries they had involved themselves and their posterity in; how exposed they were to the wrath of God, the curse of the law, and to eternal death:

and they knew that they were naked; they must know before that they were naked in their bodies, but they did not perceive that their nakedness was at all uncomely, or any disadvantage to them; but now they were sensible of both, that whereas they could look upon it before, and not blush or feel any sinful emotions in them, now they could not behold it without shame, and without finding evil concupiscence arising in them; and it being now the cool of the day, and their spirits also seized with fear of the divine displeasure, they might feel a shivering all over them, and wanted something to cover them: but more especially this may respect the nakedness of their souls they were now conscious of, being stripped of that honour and glory, privileges and power, they were vested with; and having lost the image of God that was upon them, and that robe of purity, innocence, and righteousness, the rectitude of their nature, with which they were arrayed, and finding themselves naked and defenceless, and unable to screen themselves from the curses of a righteous law, and the fury of vindictive justice:

and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons; not to cover their whole bodies, but only those parts which, ever since, mankind have been ashamed to expose to public view, and which they studiously conceal from sight: the reason of which perhaps is, because by those members the original corruption of human nature has been from the beginning, and still is propagated from parents to children. The leaves of the fig tree were pitched upon because of the largeness of them; the leaves of the common fig tree are very large, as everyone knows; and perhaps those in the eastern countries, and especially in paradise, were much larger than ours. Pliny (m) says of the fig tree, that its leaf is the largest, and the most shady. Some think the Indian fig tree is meant; so John Temporarius, as Drusius relates; and so our Milton (n); and according to Pliny (o), the breadth of the leaves of this tree has the shape of an Amazonian shield. And when they are said to sew these together, it is not to be supposed that they sewed them as tailors sew their garments together, since they cannot be thought to be furnished with proper instruments, or that they tacked them together with some sort of thorns, or made use of them instead of needles; but they took the tender branches of the fig tree with leaves on them, as the word signifies, see Neh_8:15 and twisted them round their waists; which served for "girdles", as some render the word (p), and the broad leaves hanging down served for aprons; but these, whatever covering they may be thought to have been to their bodies, which yet seem to be but a slender one, they could be none to their souls, or be of any service to hide their sin and shame from the all seeing eye of God; and of as little use are the poor and mean services of men, or their best works of righteousness, to shelter them from the wrath of God, and the vengeance of divine justice.


Macarthur Genesis 3:7
opened … knew … sewed. The innocence noted in Gen_2:25 had been replaced by guilt and shame (Gen_3:8-10) and, from then on, they had to rely on their conscience to distinguish between good and their newly acquired capacity to see and know evil. The serpent had promised them enlightenment—what they received was a hideously twisted caricature. It opened their eyes to the meaning of guilt, but it made them want to hide their eyes in shame. Sin instantly destroyed their innocence. Even the holy gift of their physical relationship was polluted with a sense of shame. Gone was the purity of it. Now present were wicked and impure thoughts they had never known before. Sewing fig leaves together as a covering was a noble effort to cover their sin and mask their shame. Ever since, clothing has been a universal expression of human modesty.

 

[Consecrated Life]

What did Jesus mean when He said that such as the little children were of the Kingdom of God ?
How were they different than adults in that they were given the Blessing of God without doing anything or asking for it ?

Mar 10:14-16
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.


Why did Jesus not tell the children that they needed to be born again:
John 3:7
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Why did Jesus not tell these children they were evil instead of the Kingdom of God ?
Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[electedbyHim]

What did Jesus mean when He said that such as the little children were of the Kingdom of God ?
How were they different than adults in that they were given the Blessing of God without doing anything or asking for it ?

Mar 10:14-16
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.


Why did Jesus not tell the children that they needed to be born again:
John 3:7
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Why did Jesus not tell these children they were evil instead of the Kingdom of God ?
Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Matthew 19:14

of such. These children were too young to exercise personal faith. See Luk_18:15, where Luke refers to them as "infants." Therefore, it is all the more significant that Christ uses them to illustrate those who make up "the kingdom of heaven" (cf. Mat_18:1-4). Mar_10:16 also says He "blessed them." God often shows a special mercy to those who, because of age or mental deficiency, are incapable of either faith or willful unbelief (cf. Jon_4:11). They are called "innocents" in Jer_19:4. Innocence does not mean they are free from the inherited guilt and moral corruption of Adam's sin (see notes on Rom_5:12-19) but rather that they are not culpable in the same sense as those whose sins are premeditated and deliberate.
Jesus' words here suggest that God's mercy is graciously extended to infants so that those who die are sovereignly regenerated and granted entrance into the kingdom—not because they are deserving of heaven, but because God in His grace chooses to redeem them. See notes on 2Sa_12:23; Mar_10:14.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Jeremiah 19:4 "Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents

Psalm 106:38 And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood.

Neither verse refers to children as being innocent from birth. I'm a sinner and someone could kill me and I would be considered innocent as in not deserving death from a murderer.

Isaiah 7:16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

Just because a child does not know evil from good does not mean a child cannot do evil. The bible says we are born in sin so the evil nature is in a child. Another verse says that a bad tree (Adam) cannot bare good fruit (Adam's children).
The penalty for sin is death. Children die and thus this verdict fits based on them being in sin.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Right now, I figure # 1 would probably be 10 times larger than #2.

I was going to make the same point and give the same approximate allocation.

Interestingly ... there are approximately 1.2 million abortions in the U.S. each year. If I was a fetus, but cognizant enough to answer the question: Do you want to be aborted? I would DEFINITELY answer YES if it meant going immediately to heaven. Thank You very much.
Abortion would be a greater good than it would be an evil as I measure things.

The "age of accountability" does put a new slant on "once saved always save" ... not that that is germane

electedbyHim gave a good summary from MacArthur on the subject.

I personally think they (age of accountability people) go to hell. Would be unpleasant as a pastor to be at a funeral and convey that sentiment. The only good new for "age of accountability" people is that they are punished in accordance to the evil they committed and that would be relatively minimal IMO.

The "age of accountability", if true, casts a new slant on God loving everyone without exception as, if that be true, God could cause all people He knew would not be saved by Christ to be saved by this Second Way. The Second Way in which the mother could take the glory for the salvation of her aborted child. An unpleasant twist of thought.

 

[Free]

If God says they are then they are. I'm not sure He does.

I don’t see where he does.

But like I said before, if they are not accountable, then there will be maybe 10 times more "not accountable" people in Heaven that those saved by the blood of Jesus.
Jesus will be their lord, but not their savior. They didn't need saving.

Exactly.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

But were they not perfect and not ashamed of their nakedness before their eyes wer opened?

What were they not perfect about before they sinned? Imperfection is relative to a commandment. They had no commandment by which to be imperfect. And what shame can they have for a nakedness they did not know they had, yet? Their failure to keep the commandment exposed their nakeditity.

The purpose of the commandment is to condemn us in our unclothed state. Accountability comes with the knowledge of the commandment, and the reasonable expectation to keep it. Very young children, even if they are taught a commandment, do not have the faculties to then keep that commandment. They are blameless. Not sinless. Blameless.

 

[Whatever]

I don’t see where he does.

There are passages that make we wonder.

Exo 20:5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.

In all the places where God killed a lot of children - flood, destruction of Sodom, and Jericho, did all those children who died then go to heaven?

In the passages where Abraham was discussing with the Lord about Sodom, Abraham asked if God would destroy the righteous along with the wicked. Abraham got God down to not destroying Sodom if there were 10 righteous there. I would bet there were a lot more than 10 children there. Righteous and innocent are different things.

 

[Fastfredy0]

In the passages where Abraham was discussing with the Lord about Sodom, Abraham asked if God would destroy the righteous along with the wicked. Abraham got God down to not destroying Sodom if there were 10 righteous there. I would bet there were a lot more than 10 children there. Righteous and innocent are different things.

One can't use it to come to a conclusion, but insightful thinking.

They say the one should look at the context and audience of scripture. Given those that have not reach the "age of accountability" cannot read one might assume nothing in scripture is addressed to them. ... maybe addressed to comfort the parents I suppose.

 

[for_his_glory]

God does not select before the womb who will spend eternity with Him or those who will spend eternity in the lake of fire. God is a sovereign God that in his love and patience for us would not want anyone to perish and only God knows the intents of the heart as he alone judges us, 2 Peter 3:9. God wants all of us to come to repentance, but not everyone will for the way they are raised from birth. Many babies are born into families that have rejected God and will be raised to also come against Him as their hearts are hardened.

Age of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible and is a preconception that only leads to speculation. Infant baptism is also not scriptural as a baby can not know faith and regeneration as this takes place at the same point in time. A baby can not be covered by the blood of Jesus until they come into the knowledge of good and evil and accept Him as Lord and Savior. Many use Ephesians 1:4, 5 to support this, but that is not what these verses are saying. These two verses are very similar to that of 2 Peter 3:9 that through Gods love he breathed his breath (spirit) into us when we first came from the womb making us a living soul and that he would want us to be holy and without blame. Staying holy without blame is through repentance and acceptance that brings us to that adoption that is in Christ Jesus thus we were made for Gods good pleasure. (Eph 14-5; Zech 12:1)

A baby can not inherit the sin of the parents, but are born with a sin nature. Adam’s sin was his own sin, not our sin, but through his sin, sin now entered into the world, Romans 5:12 and was imputed to every one of us as there is none that are righteous, babies included, Romans 5:12-18. Psalms 58:3 says, The wicked are estranged (turn from God) from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Who taught a child to lie or be rebellious against their parents? It's that sin nature that causes a child to do this. Psalms 51:5 says, Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. The only thing God gave us at birth was His very breath (spirit) that made us a living soul and it's that breath that goes back to God when we die as he preserves it in judgment until the coming of the Lord, (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Romans 9:11-13)


In the OT and NT God did specifically call out certain prophets by name (listed below) as he elected them before they were even formed in the womb. This does not make God a respecter of person, it just means they were called for Gods purpose as they were the Hebrew children of promise through the seed of Abraham being of that same covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3. We being formed in the womb as a Gentile and given the breath (spirit) of God for us to be a living soul can now through Christ Jesus be grafted into that seed of Abraham that we to can be a part of Gods covenant promises to that of a thousand generations.

Do all babies go to be with the Lord when they die? IMO the answer is no. Remember, God only gives breath (spirit), but doesn't decide who a baby is born to. Two examples of babies that have died and also will be raised from the grave to stand in Gods white throne judgment all we have to do is look at the story of the Amalekites and their children in Deuteronomy 2:24-34. God even had the babies killed in battle as they would have also grown up to come against God and his people. It’s the same as the firstborn of the Egyptians in Exodus 11. God saved His own from being killed. This was all Gods judgment against those who come out against him. Just as today those babies that die, even though they have no knowledge of good and evil yet, are also those who will be trained to come against God. (Proverbs 22:6)

We are all born with a nature to sin because of the fall of Adam in whom sin entered into the world as we are born of flesh and flesh has that capacity to sin as that is it's nature now by one man in whom sin entered into the world, Romans 5:12.

The nature to sin begins at birth when we are made living souls through the breath God breathes in us, only when we are born as in conception we have no breath. Our soul is the natural part of our thinking, feeling and acting from the time we are born into this world.

We are also born of flesh being carnal and separate from the Spirit of God and not subject to His laws, Romans 8:7, 8. This is why Psalms 58:3 says the wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

The nature of the flesh (sin nature) activates at birth as a child acts on their impulses. A baby doesn't have the thinking skills to purposefully defy their parents, but does exert control over what is their own world. This is an act of defiance from birth to around three years being part of their development. A baby learns from the environment it is brought up in and in many cases will not depart from what it has been taught by the words and actions of their parents. That is why a child needs Godly nourishment from birth so they will not turn away from God.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Do all babies go to be with the Lord when they die? IMO the answer is no. Remember, God only gives breath (spirit), but doesn't decide who a baby is born to. Two examples of babies that have died and also will be raised from the grave to stand in Gods white throne judgment all we have to do is look at the story of the Amalekites and their children in Deuteronomy 2:24-34. God even had the babies killed in battle as they would have also grown up to come against God and his people. It’s the same as the firstborn of the Egyptians in Exodus 11. God saved His own from being killed. This was all Gods judgment against those who come out against him. Just as today those babies that die, even though they have no knowledge of good and evil yet, are also those who will be trained to come against God. (Proverbs 22:6)

All of us die.
Including babies.
And we all die exactly as God has determined we will one day die.
You are confused in equating God's timing and method of physical death to be a determining factor with the fate of the spirit.
The two are completely unrelated.
The statistics on death being what they are , 100 % of us will die at a time and method of God's choosing.
God told Moses in advance that it was His time to die , Just as God said it was time for the children of the Amalekites to die .
The fact of their ordered deaths , having no effect whatsoever on the eternal estate of either Moses or the Amalekite children's souls.
It was also by God's order and will that Herod killed all male children in Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus.
These Jewish children killed in Bethlehem by God's will are no different than the Amalekite Children killed by God's will in terms of their eternal fate .
Never mind God's will for the Amalekite children
God has also found it to be in His will that the Children of this Godless nation are killed at a rate of hundreds of thousands every year.
The fact that this land is literally soiled with the blood of hundreds of thousands of babies each year has nothing to do with the eternal fate of the babies , but it does put the adults of this nation in the same category of the Adult Amalekites in the eyes of God.

How many abortions are there in the U.S. each year?​

The last year for which the CDC reported a yearly national total for abortions is 2021. It found there were 625,978 abortions in the District of Columbia and the 46 states with available data that year, up from 597,355 in those states and D.C. in 2020. The corresponding figure for 2019 was 607,720.

The last year for which Guttmacher reported a yearly national total was 2020. It said there were 930,160 abortions that year in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, compared with 916,460 in 2019.



The Amalekites were Satanic worshipers of child sacrifice , of the most horrific kind.
The children were roasted alive .
It was for this reason that God ordered the children killed
It is chilling to note that in our day of the Oct. 7 attack on the Jews by Hamas , Hamas being genetic descendants of the same line of Esau as the Amalekites, Hamas ritualistically and quite satanically burned alive jewish babies. in front of their parents.
Do you think If these parents, who loved their children just as much as a parent can, who were forced to watch their babies burned alive could have had the option of causing a quicker death for them than being burned alive they would have done so ?

https://www.eternitynews.com.au/

Why did God order the destruction of the Amalekites?

Is this the action of a loving God?​

Nick Hawkes | June 10th, 2022 04:26 PM

How do we make sense of God’s instruction for the Jews to totally destroy the Amalekites (in 1 Samuel 15:1-3)? It is the sort of action we don’t associate with a loving God.

The Old Testament reveals that the thing that God particularly hated was the sacrifice of children to a false god. He considered it the worst defilement of truth. As such, God never failed to visit a consequence on any nation doing such a thing—even when it was his own people, the Jews.

Child sacrifice was particularly practised by the Amalekites. The Amalekites were descended from Amalek, the grandson of Esau – a man who broke covenant with God by spurning his birthright. The murderous Haman (who tried to exterminate all Jews in the Book of Esther) was an Amalekite. He is described as “the Agagite, i.e. he was descended from the Amalekite kings (see king Agag in 1 Samuel 15:7-8). The Amalekites consistently sought the annihilation of the Jews (Exodus 17:8-14; Numbers 14:41-45; Judges 3:12-14; Judges 6:3,33-35). It was their implacable stance against the Jews, coupled with their practice of sacrificing children to false gods (Deuteronomy 12:31) that resulted in God condemning them to total annihilation (1 Samuel 15:1-3)

 

[hawkman]

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak falsehood wander in error from birth.

This is a song (Psalm) about David's enemies . This line of the song is hyperbolic , a device of songwriting .
Proof texting is not good .

 

[hawkman]

I'll add a few more.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth. . .

Hello Whatever , I will give a challenge to read something out loud and see if the truth comes out as you read . Read the story of David's mother at this link . What did Psalm 51:5 really mean , read and decide . Let me know if you read this Whatever .

Nitzevet, Mother of David The bold voice of silence

 

[Dave...]

Hey all

This passage below paints a very clear picture of God forgiving children because of their ignorance of good and evil, while at the same time punishing that adults. This part of the exodus, that being the promised land, or the land of Canaan, is not only significant on a literal level, but as a OT picture we can also see it as an illustration of salvation itself. The promise land being a type of heaven. The children were not withheld from the promise land, but the adults were. Literally and as a type of heaven.

Deuteronomy 1"37-40 The Lord was also angry with me for your sakes, saying, 'Even you shall not go in there; Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall go in there. Encourage him, for he shall cause Israel to inherit it. Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it. But as for you, turn and take your journey into the wilderness by the Way of the Red Sea.'

Here in Romans Paul tells us what makes a person accountable for their sin.

Romans 1:18-21 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, ---being understood--- by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, ---so that they are without excuse---, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Innocent is opposite of guilty. When God calls someone innocent, like children, He means not guilty in His sight.

Dave

 

[Consecrated Life]

The other polar opposite of a child's unawareness being weighed by God towards accountability , is what about a child who is aware ?
It does happen that sometimes very young children are able to be born again and saved .
What does God have to say about saved children who believe in Christ dying for them, and is there anything He looks at differently in them as opposed to saved adults ?
Interesting, and also quite telling, that God views these young saved children in a different regard than He does saved adults, not in terms of salvation, but in terms of what special horror of hell is reserved for anyone that would harm one of these saved children , as opposed to what level of hell is reserved those who would harm an adult Christian :

Mark 9:42
And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.


No where does God mention a special horrific level of eternal punishment for those who would harm an adult believer , but He certainly does say that for those who would harm a child believer.
Evidence that Children are given a special regard by God.
I submit that the same reason God reserves a more horrific level of hell for those who would harm a Saved child as opposed to Saved adult, is the same reason that God grants all of us an age of accountability.

 

[Whatever]

Hello @Whatever , I will give a challenge to read something out loud and see if the truth comes out as you read . Read the story of David's mother at this link . What did Psalm 51:5 really mean , read and decide . Let me know if you read this @Whatever .

I read it and not sure what "truth" I was supposed come to. First of all this was a story from Jewish Midrashim. How do I know the story is true?

Second, what I get is that David was born out of fornication or adultery.
“Let us learn from your ancestresses and replicate their actions. Switch places with me tonight, just as Leah did with Rachel,” she advised.
With a prayer on her lips that her plan succeed, Nitzevet took the place of her maidservant. That night, Nitzevet conceived. Yishai remained unaware of the switch.
Incensed, her sons wished to kill their apparently adulterous mother and the “illegitimate” fetus that she carried.

I don't think I have ever read anything out loud, even the Bible. I dropped out of High School, but have read a lot, so my comprehension should be average.

 

[electedbyHim]

What were they not perfect about before they sinned? Imperfection is relative to a commandment. They had no commandment by which to be imperfect. And what shame can they have for a nakedness they did not know they had, yet? Their failure to keep the commandment exposed their nakeditity.

The purpose of the commandment is to condemn us in our unclothed state. Accountability comes with the knowledge of the commandment, and the reasonable expectation to keep it. Very young children, even if they are taught a commandment, do not have the faculties to then keep that commandment. They are blameless. Not sinless. Blameless.

I think I am understanding.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

Genesis 3:8 Then they heard the sound of Yahweh God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Yahweh God in the midst of the trees of the garden.

Free pointed out the sin was not nakedness.

But was it not guilta and shame.

Their eyes were opened to right and wrong.

They were guilty and ashamed of what the serpent decieved them about??

This would be the same as 1 Johnd 2:16

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

I am thinking out loud here and me be off.

​

 

[electedbyHim]

This is a song (Psalm) about David's enemies . This line of the song is hyperbolic , a device of songwriting .
Proof texting is not good .

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Psalms 58:3
as soon as they are born. All people are born totally depraved. Without being made new creatures in Christ by God's power, they are prevented by their wicked nature from pleasing God (cf. Psa_51:5; Rom_3:9-18; 2Co_5:17).

The wicked are estranged from the womb - “This,” says Dr. Kennicott, “and the next two verses, I take to be the answer of Jehovah to the question in the two first verses, as the Psa_58:6, Psa_58:7, and Psa_58:8, are the answer of the psalmist, and the remainder contains the decree of Jehovah.” He calls these wicked men, men who had been always wicked, originally and naturally bad, and brought up in falsehood, flattery, and lying. The part they acted now was quite in character.

3–5 The character of the wicked. Deviancy (astray … wayward) and falsehood (lies) are their birth-inheritance (cf. 51:5); they carry a poison within, and are incorrigible: (lit.) ‘like a deaf cobra that stops its ears’, both unable and unwilling to hear any call to be different (4; cf. Rom. 1:28–32; Tit. 3:3).
lit. literally J. A. Motyer, “The Psalms,” in New Bible Commentary: 21st Century Edition, ed. D. A. Carson et al., 4th ed. (Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: Inter-Varsity Press, 1994), 522.

58:3–5 The wicked are characterized by deceit. The psalmist shows the extent of their wickedness by describing them as evil from birth. He describes their wickedness as poison (Ps 140:3; see note on Job 20:16): They are as dangerous as snakes that ignore their charmers (Jer 8:17).John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), Ps 58:3–5.

Ver. 3. The wicked are estranged from the womb, &c.] Which original corruption of nature accounts for all the wickedness done by men: they are conceived in sin, shapen in iniquity, and are transgressors from the womb; they are alienated from God, and from that godly life which is agreeable to him, and he requires; and from the knowledge and fear of him, and love to him; and they desire not the knowledge of him nor his ways; they are far from his law, and averse to it; and still more so to the Gospel of Christ; the doctrines of which, as well as the great things written in the law, are strange things to them; and they are aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, estranged from the people of God, know nothing of them, neither of their joys, nor of their sorrows. They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies; they are wicked from their infancy, from their youth upward; and sin, which is meant by going astray, as soon as they are capable of it, and which is very early. Sin soon appears in the temper and actions of men; they go out of God’s way, and turn every one to their own way, and walk in the broad road which leads to destruction: and particularly they are very early guilty of lying; as soon as they can speak, and before they can speak plain, they lisp out lies, which they learn from their father the devil, who is the father of lies; and so they continue all their days strangers to divine things, going astray from God, the God of truth, continually doing abominations and speaking lies; which continuance in these things makes the difference between reprobate men and God’s elect; for though the latter are the same by nature as the former, yet their natures are restrained, before conversion, from going into all the sins they are inclined to; and if not, yet at conversion a stop is put to their progress in iniquity.^[1]

^[1] John Gill, An Exposition of the Old Testament, vol. 3, The Baptist Commentary Series (London: Mathews and Leigh, 1810), 763.

 

[for_his_glory]

All of us die.
Including babies.
And we all die exactly as God has determined we will one day die.
You are confused in equating God's timing and method of physical death to be a determining factor with the fate of the spirit.
The two are completely unrelated.

What does this have to do with what I posted in post #50 as I never said anything about God's timing for when we die.

 

[Consecrated Life]

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Psalms 58:3
as soon as they are born. All people are born totally depraved. Without being made new creatures in Christ by God's power, they are prevented by their wicked nature from pleasing God (cf. Psa_51:5; Rom_3:9-18; 2Co_5:17).

The wicked are estranged from the womb - “This,” says Dr. Kennicott, “and the next two verses, I take to be the answer of Jehovah to the question in the two first verses, as the Psa_58:6, Psa_58:7, and Psa_58:8, are the answer of the psalmist, and the remainder contains the decree of Jehovah.” He calls these wicked men, men who had been always wicked, originally and naturally bad, and brought up in falsehood, flattery, and lying. The part they acted now was quite in character.

David, who wrote psalms under the prophetic influence of God's Spirit , also spoke with certainty that He and the infant son He sired in the act of adultery no less , who died in infancy would be reunited for eternity in God's heaven .
God is no respecter of persons.
Not even infant persons.
The eternal home in heaven of David's infant son is the home of all infants who die.

2Samuel 12:22-
¶
"And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."