The Baptism that saves us Now

[Corinth77777]

Note: Im a learner trying things on. Here to discuss with those that want to come to an answer.

The more I see 1 Peter 3:21 from surrounding passages. I am coming to believe that the baptism that saves us now is: God ____________________________________


Now First thing I probably need to look up is the term itself. But instead I am going to make a claim and either prove it true or false. With others who are searching for truth.

My answer is quickened by the " Spirit"

Which makes the presence of God our baptism
1 Peter 3 kjv

and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death* in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein* few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us* (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him
........................................................................
Verse 16 is about having a good conscience before man or God? My guess is man.. if you do what is right and someone accuse you the accuser should be ashamed.

So a good conscience before man is in -your righteous acts before man

He went to preach to the souls in prison because He was quickened by the Spirit vs 18

(One way I see that is by Him setting captives free.)

The reason I crossed out the passage is because they were all prepositions

So then we can automatically connect vs 18 to 21

But quickened By the Spirit...... the baptism doth also save us

Remember the so called great commission
Surround(baptise, identify, immerse)them in the presence of the holy trinity ( the name of the father, son, and holy ghost)

Ok Jesus was quicken by who? The SPIRIT

Question? Was removal of dirt off the skin ritual washings? Well what would be our ritual washing that gives us a clear conscience before God? JESUS Christ the resurrected.>>>>Christ Jesus

So is this talking about being baptized into His Death, or being immersed into His life?

But quickened by the Spirit, is the like figure...." "BUT" quickened by the Spirit>>the baptism that saves us.

Jesus said He always did what was pleasing to the father and the father never left Him alone.

John 15
Abide

Righteous acts before man are only done in Christ- as we submit our bodies dead.
As our hearts are purified by obeying the word.

Wait but righteous acts before God are caused by God based on the Love of God all found in Christ.

yet if our bodies our dead then the only way to live is by His life....So what does it mean to walk in the newness of life? One It shows whereever Jesus is we are, ruling with Him, next to the father ...Alive by the Spirit. Immersed in the presence of The holy trinity.

So if we are walking in the newness of life we are living by the power of the Holyghost. GOD who has manifested Himself in three distinct persons.




Just remember im trying this on...so don't eat me alive scholars.

The Baptism that saves is God.
God is I am that I am.
So Is God his presence? I'd like to think so

So lets use what is new to me Identification

Recall there where to words that were under baptism- to temporarily dip, and one that had to do with permanent change.

So dip the pickle in boiling water and immerse it in vinegar...recall from other post

What did the pickle identify with when it was permanently changed? The vinegar Solution?

IF WE STAY SURROUNDED IN THE PRESENCE OF God (his life)what would we identify with?

His Glory?
His Peace?
His Love?
His Joy?
His patience

And who can eat from these fruits ? people

In the end I believe the prefigured baptism is the quickening by the Holy Spirit.

And the Baptism is God (or God's life)who gives us a clear conscience before God..

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life

My thoughts GodsGrace

 

[Corinth77777]

Note: Im a learner trying things on. Here to discuss with those that want to come to an answer.

The more I see 1 Peter 3:21 from surrounding passages. I am coming to believe that the baptism that saves us now is: God ____________________________________


Now First thing I probably need to look up is the term itself. But instead I am going to make a claim and either prove it true or false. With others who are searching for truth.

My answer is quickened by the " Spirit"

Which makes the presence of God our baptism
1 Peter 3 kjv

and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death* in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein* few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us* (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him
........................................................................
Verse 16 is about having a good conscience before man or God? My guess is man.. if you do what is right and someone accuse you the accuser should be ashamed.

So a good conscience before man is in -your righteous acts before man

He went to preach to the souls in prison because He was quickened by the Spirit vs 18

(One way I see that is by Him setting captives free.)

The reason I crossed out the passage is because they were all prepositions

So then we can automatically connect vs 18 to 21

But quickened By the Spirit...... the baptism doth also save us

Remember the so called great commission
Surround(baptise, identify, immerse)them in the presence of the holy trinity ( the name of the father, son, and holy ghost)

Ok Jesus was quicken by who? The SPIRIT

Question? Was removal of dirt off the skin ritual washings? Well what would be our ritual washing that gives us a clear conscience before God? JESUS Christ the resurrected.>>>>Christ Jesus

So is this talking about being baptized into His Death, or being immersed into His life?

But quickened by the Spirit, is the like figure...." "BUT" quickened by the Spirit>>the baptism that saves us.

Jesus said He always did what was pleasing to the father and the father never left Him alone.

John 15
Abide

Righteous acts before man are only done in Christ- as we submit our bodies dead.
As our hearts are purified by obeying the word.

Wait but righteous acts before God are caused by God based on the Love of God all found in Christ.

yet if our bodies our dead then the only way to live is by His life....So what does it mean to walk in the newness of life? One It shows whereever Jesus is we are, ruling with Him, next to the father ...Alive by the Spirit. Immersed in the presence of The holy trinity.

So if we are walking in the newness of life we are living by the power of the Holyghost. GOD who has manifested Himself in three distinct persons.




Just remember im trying this on...so don't eat me alive scholars.

The Baptism that saves is God.
God is I am that I am.
So Is God his presence? I'd like to think so

So lets use what is new to me Identification

Recall there where to words that were under baptism- to temporarily dip, and one that had to do with permanent change.

So dip the pickle in boiling water and immerse it in vinegar...recall from other post

What did the pickle identify with when it was permanently changed? The vinegar Solution?

IF WE STAY SURROUNDED IN THE PRESENCE OF God (his life)what would we identify with?

His Glory?
His Peace?
His Love?
His Joy?
His patience

And who can eat from these fruits ? people

In the end I believe the prefigured baptism is the quickening by the Holy Spirit.

And the Baptism is God (or God's life)who gives us a clear conscience before God..

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life

My thoughts GodsGrace

Wow I wrote this awhile ago...
And it sounds interesting..So I'm going to dive back in.

Sense its not removing the dirt from the skin, one can say it wasn't a symbolic washing under the law. But sense it did mention the skin, referring to the outward man then one might speculate the body is part of the baptism.

Now through baptism the whole being must be made alive.
So if this is referring to water as testimony
Of the relationship between what is from above in relation to below . Then what happens next?

here is what I see..
the water testifies on earth
the Spirit testifies in heaven.
That what is in the water has been cleaned from the inside out. For God can use the water for anyone of sincere faith to cleanse.

However in the same way water is used as a symbol that quickened those who acted in faith the like comparison, through circumcision, used as a testimony of those promises made to those who would keep the law.

something unique to see is that the testimony was in them. In their flesh while through water baptism the testimony was in their mind or conscience

Baptism then itself is to inter in under the new Covenant the kingdom of God.
Life under a new rule.

I can see from symbol to reality.
From the temporary to etenal
And the fullfillment under the name of the ones that make it possible into their reality ( midst)

anyway just some thoughts





Note: Now is this Baptism a one time event? AND i say Yes . However at the end of the day will our whole body soul and spirit be preserved?

 

[Corinth77777]

Wow I wrote this awhile ago...
And it sounds interesting..So I'm going to dive back in.

Sense its not removing the dirt from the skin, one can say it wasn't a symbolic washing under the law. But sense it did mention the skin, referring to the outward man then one might speculate the body is part of the baptism.

Now through baptism the whole being must be made alive.
So if this is referring to water as testimony
Of the relationship between what is from above in relation to below . Then what happens next?

here is what I see..
the water testifies on earth
the Spirit testifies in heaven.
That what is in the water has been cleaned from the inside out. For God can use the water for anyone of sincere faith to cleanse.

However in the same way water is used as a symbol that quickened those who acted in faith the like comparison, through circumcision, used as a testimony of those promises made to those who would keep the law.

something unique to see is that the testimony was in them. In their flesh while through water baptism the testimony was in their mind or conscience

Baptism then itself is to inter in under the new Covenant the kingdom of God.
Life under a new rule.

I can see from symbol to reality.
From the temporary to etenal
And the fullfillment under the name of the ones that make it possible into their reality ( midst)

anyway just some thoughts





Note: Now is this Baptism a one time event? AND i say Yes . However at the end of the day will our whole body soul and spirit be preserved?

To clarify While God can use anything like water of those who exercise faith...the key was to immese them or surround them in His presence. And it was said something like this: if the people looking upon this event had God in them -then I can see how they would have fellowship among one another and with God the father, and the Son and......the holy spirit.....

Beautiful scenery- the key is to surround/immerse/ baptize people in God's presence. And while the use was to be through water baptism making the symbol into reality. I know that is not how I came alive....But I did exercise faith. God looks at the heart and knows the knowledge of man. The important part is to be immersed into the presence of the Holy Trinity. But for me at my water Baptism I was not cleansed. It was later

 

[JLB]

I can see from symbol to reality.
From the temporary to etenal
And the fullfillment under the name of the ones that make it possible into their reality ( midst)

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him. 1 Peter 3:18-21

• There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Do you understand what scripture is referring to by shadows and types.


Example:

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-3

These natural events foreshadowed spiritual realities that pertain to us today.

all were baptized into Moses = Baptized into Christ by the Spirit

in the cloud = Baptism with the Spirit by Christ Jesus.


and in the sea = baptized with water by a pastor or person


Antitype would be the opposite.

The water during the days of Noah which destroyed, today the waters of baptism now saves (delivers).

 

[Corinth77777]

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him. 1 Peter 3:18-21

• There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Do you understand what scripture is referring to by shadows and types.


Example:

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-3

These natural events foreshadowed spiritual realities that pertain to us today.

all were baptized into Moses = Baptized into Christ by the Spirit

in the cloud = Baptism with the Spirit by Christ Jesus.


and in the sea = baptized with water by a pastor or person


Antitype would be the opposite.

The water during the days of Noah which destroyed, today the waters of baptism now saves (delivers).

hi
Antitype is a symbol
Baptism is a symbol
And I believe God used the water to save

 

[JLB]

And I believe God used the water to save

Yes. The water destroyed the ungodly of that while at the same time providing salvation (deliverance) for Noah and his family.

 

[live2blieve]

hi
Antitype is a symbol
Baptism is a symbol
And I believe God used the water to save

When many people read “baptism” in the Bible, they automatically think about water. It is not so. For example, here the Messiah does not talk about water:

But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! (Luke 12:50).

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes. The water destroyed the ungodly of that while at the same time providing salvation (deliverance) for Noah and his family.

If you read my second post that's what I believe right now.

The prefigured could be the quickening

What its saying to me is we are saved by His life. Other people are saved by the life in us.

Something prefigured can also mean it's counter part. Or what comes before as a shadow of what will be. Both the incidents happen and they are both plausible thoughts.

Now the question is How was His quickening a baptism.. as the young lady said in the earlier post, He took on death...drank the cup of death..don't quote me. They said they could be baptize with that same baptism.

The former verse says: happy are ye.

So I'd say Jesus died so they could be surrounded/ immersed in life, by being caught up in the things of God.

 

[Corinth77777]

If you read my second post that's what I believe right now.

The prefigured could be the quickening

What its saying to me is we are saved by His life. Other people are saved by the life in us.

Something prefigured can also mean it's counter part. Or what comes before as a shadow of what will be. Both the incidents happen and they are both plausible thoughts.

Now the question is How was His quickening a baptism.. as the young lady said in the earlier post, He took on death...drank the cup of death..don't quote me. They said they could be baptize with that same baptism.

The former verse says: happy are ye.

So I'd say Jesus died so they could be surrounded/ immersed in life, by being caught up in the things of God.

and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death* in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein* few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us* (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him

Verse 18 is what is prefigured...
The question is what word is correct to use in verse 21: answer, appeal, or request. Now, If Jesus being put to death, but quickened by the Spirit is the prefigured- everything else beyond that point noted by prepositions shows what happen because He was quickened, made alive.
So in water baptism done by man which is temporay and earthly the Holy Spirit translates us in the kingdom by the quicken of the word we received.

So yes through faith that God could use man and water in this eathly realm will deliver us from the power of darkness and bring us into the light; by bringing us in the presence of God by His living Spirit. Which should be among/in the people.
So the water testifies with our flesh
And the Spirit testifies with our interbeing, our spirit.

Appeal,request
If we are asking God for a request..and He gives us an answer..then the answer would be our committment to Him in water Baptism.

But the key in this all is faith in God; that God can use your act of faith in Him to save you by water. When
yield to the water done by man it seems you yeild to the the Spirit by God.
JLB

 

[JLB]

Now the question is How was His quickening a baptism

Quickening refers to the resurrection of the mortal body of a Christian who has died.


But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 8:11 KJV

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:11 NKJV

At the resurrection of the dead in Christ, at His coming, He will quicken, give life; raise your dead body to life.

Water baptism is the open confession of our faith before men, that we identify ourselves with His death and resurrection.

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection. Romans 6:3-5


Unfortunately some have taken this passage to an extreme measure not intended by scripture, thinking that they have literally died while under water during baptism, in which they believe their physical body was literally born again, and now have a sinless body like Jesus. They believe they are sinless and perfect, and have no need to confess their sins, because since water baptism, they have never sinned.

Beware of this harmful teaching that some in this forum promote.




JLB

 

[Corinth77777]

Quickening refers to the resurrection of the mortal body of a Christian who has died.


But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 8:11 KJV

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:11 NKJV

At the resurrection of the dead in Christ, at His coming, He will quicken, give life; raise your dead body to life.

Water baptism is the open confession of our faith before men, that we identify ourselves with His death and resurrection.

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection. Romans 6:3-5


Unfortunately some have taken this passage to an extreme measure not intended by scripture, thinking that they have literally died while under water during baptism, in which they believe their physical body was literally born again, and now have a sinless body like Jesus. They believe they are sinless and perfect, and have no need to confess their sins, because since water baptism, they have never sinned.

Beware of this harmful teaching that some in this forum promote.




JLB

If you read the last post I posted..the understanding was not coming from no man...But appreciate your concern..

 

[Corinth77777]

Quickening refers to the resurrection of the mortal body of a Christian who has died.

It refers to regeneration, being born with life from above.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 8:11 KJV

your mind or spirit must be quickened first..

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:11 NKJV

At the resurrection of the dead in Christ, at His coming, He will quicken, give life; raise your dead body to life.

Water baptism is the open confession of our faith before men, that we identify ourselves with His death and resurrection.

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection. Romans 6:3-5

Yes and that likeness could be the quicken now on earth.

Unfortunately some have taken this passage to an extreme measure not intended by scripture, thinking that they have literally died while under water during baptism, in which they believe their physical body was literally born again,

Probably hope2
its a committment in surrendering our will to God.

and now have a sinless body like Jesus.

At the point one is forgiven they have no guilt of sin

They believe they are sinless and perfect, and have no need to confess their sins, because since water baptism, they have never sinned.

I believe its possible if they do not remain in His teachings they will have to confess again. But in my opinion its about your conscience being free from guilt.

Beware of this harmful teaching that some in this forum promote.




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

This is the Baptism of Christ for receiving the Holy Spirit that is different from John's baptism.


Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire, (fire means empowerment)

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Seven works of the Holy Spirit in sanctification
1. Transforms us - Romans 12:1-2; 2Corinthians 3:18
2. Convicts us of sin - John 16:8-11
3. Guides us into all truths - John 14:26
4. Empowers us to proclaim Christ - Acts 1-8; Ephesians 1:13
5. Gives us Spiritual gifts - 1Corinthians 12
6. Empowers us to worship - Ephesians 3:14-19
7. Leads us - Galatians 5:25

We put on Jesus by the renewal of our mind, body and soul through Jesus life, death and resurrection by which we can reconcile ourselves back to Gods grace and mercy through His Salvation of Spiritual renewal and Spiritual rebirth of spirit. We now have the mind of Christ as joint heirs with Jesus as we walk in the path of Jesus and not our own path anymore. John 3:3-21

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit), Colossians 3:1-17. We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things, John 14:26.

Acts 2:38,39 When we repent of our sins and ask Jesus into our hearts we are also receiving the promise of God that his Holy Spirit will come and dwell in our hearts and teach us of all things we need to learn, John 14:26. The baptism that Peter was talking about in Acts 2:38 was a Spiritual rebirth through the word of God. Some people think it is being dunked or sprinkled with water the way John the Baptist did and there is nothing wrong with that for it is an outward appearance to man that you have repented and received Jesus and the Holy Spirit into your life, Matthew 3:11, but Jesus himself never baptized with water, John 4:2, for the baptism of Jesus was for receiving the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) that helps us to learn all truths and to know the will of the Father, 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12.

After repentance and the Spiritual rebirth, John 3:5-7, we are then baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire through that of Christ baptism according to Acts 2:38, 39, Matthew 3:11.

 

[JLB]

It refers to regeneration, being born with life from above.

No it certainly does not refer to regeneration or being born again.

It refers to our physical bodies.

As I have shown from the scripture in Romans 8:11 where the word “quicken” is mentioned, it plainly refers to the resurrection of the dead in Christ; “giving life” to dead bodies.

The context is about raising from the dead.


But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to (quicken) your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:11

 

[Hidden In Him]

To clarify While God can use anything like water of those who exercise faith...the key was to immese them or surround them in His presence. And it was said something like this: if the people looking upon this event had God in them -then I can see how they would have fellowship among one another and with God the father, and the Son and......the holy spirit.....

Beautiful scenery- the key is to surround/immerse/ baptize people in God's presence. And while the use was to be through water baptism making the symbol into reality.

Blessings, Corinth.

I think you are confusing two things here. Granted, different theological constructs like this can be created and explored, but as far as teaching New Testament doctrine, water baptism represented dying to the old man, and hence to being surrounded by dirt, not His presence. I believe it was God's intent that His Presence descend upon us after we came out of the water, just as happened with Christ when the Spirit descended upon Him after He arose from the water in the form of a dove.

For many this experience happens later that during water baptism, but I think God's original intent was that both happen simultaneously.

 

[Corinth77777]

No it certainly does not refer to regeneration or being born again.

It refers to our physical bodies.

As I have shown from the scripture in Romans 8:11 where the word “quicken” is mentioned, it plainly refers to the resurrection of the dead in Christ; “giving life” to dead bodies.

The context is about raising from the dead.


But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to (quicken) your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:11

not sure what I said

 

[Corinth77777]

Blessings, Corinth.

I think you are confusing two things here. Granted, different theological constructs like this can be created and explored, but as far as teaching New Testament doctrine, water baptism represented dying to the old man, and hence to being surrounded by dirt, not His presence. I believe it was God's intent that His Presence descend upon us after we came out of the water, just as happened with Christ when the Spirit descended upon Him after He arose from the water in the form of a dove.

For many this experience happens later that during water baptism, but I think God's original intent was that both happen simultaneously.

Sounds like what Im saying...so what 2 things do you believe I am confusing.

 

[JLB]

not sure what I said

It refers to regeneration, being born with life from above.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Sounds like what Im saying...so what 2 things do you believe I am confusing.

Well I’m not 100% sure actually, LoL. Sometimes the way you word things lend themselves to a bit of confusion, but my apologies for misunderstanding you if I did.

 

[follower]

a world under water ...... full disclosure of being saved by immersion in Jesus' Name

hi
Antitype is a symbol
Baptism is a symbol
And I believe God used the water to save

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