The Bema Seat Judgment of Christ vs. The Great White Throne Judgment

[tim-from-pa]

Scripture teaches us that you must be born again before you die to enter in Heaven after you die. Before/After. You don't think a sinner can be born again in Christ today, right now if he/she repented? Tim, if you die in sin without accepting Christ while you're still breathing in this lifetime, your destination is hell. Do you understand what I mean when I say people die and their heart stops beating, funeral, graves R.I.P.? I'm talking about repentance in this lifetime.

Sorry, but I don't agree with your theology at all. Those who have died are asleep until the resurrection, be it the resurrection at Yeshua's coming, or later as Revelation teaches. The dead know nothing. (Eccl 9:5) And when Yeshua returns, where will he be? Here on Earth with the believers ruling and reigning with him. It's not the hedonistic philosophy about "dying and going to heaven". (John 3:13) While I agree that the believers as the sons of Yahweh have access to that realm in that day and beyond, the goal is not there, but rather Yahweh will bring heaven to Earth to dwell with men. (Revelation 21-22)

Technically I am not born again now.. Nobody is. But this is rather a confusion regarding semantics as far as I can see. A more proper term would be "begotten of Yahweh", the same idea as a baby in the mother's belly, still a son, but not yet born. This will occur at the resurrection as Yeshua said, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" One who is born of the Spirit is a spirit being, the way I mentioned in the first resurrection.

Nobody is burning in hell now. Nobody. Hell is that lake of fire at the end of the age where the resurrected wicked will be thrown in and destroyed (perish) along with the devil and his angels.

 

[Guest]

Sorry, but I don't agree with your theology at all. Those who have died are asleep until the resurrection, be it the resurrection at Yeshua's coming, or later as Revelation teaches. The dead know nothing. (Eccl 9:5) And when Yeshua returns, where will he be? Here on Earth with the believers ruling and reigning with him. It's not the hedonistic philosophy about "dying and going to heaven". (John 3:13) While I agree that the believers as the sons of Yahweh have access to that realm in that day and beyond, the goal is not there, but rather Yahweh will bring heaven to Earth to dwell with men. (Revelation 21-22)

When you say believers, what do you have to do to become a believer? To become a believer you must accept Jesus into your heart in this lifetime. Believers have access to heaven RIGHT NOW. He brings heaven to earth RIGHT NOW to dwell not only with men, but INSIDE of men. Tim, you can't just sin your butt off, not accept Christ into your heart then die and expect to make it to heaven man. It doesn't work that way.

For example, a hitman for the mobb kills over 100 men and never asks God for forgiveness. He then dies. Can this man accept Jesus as his savior now after he died? No, he cannot, because he never accepted Jesus into his heart when he was breathing on this earth. The only time you can accept Jesus into your heart is here on this earth as you're typing right now tim.

Technically I am not born again now.. Nobody is. But this is rather a confusion regarding semantics as far as I can see. A more proper term would be "begotten of Yahweh", the same idea as a baby in the mother's belly, still a son, but not yet born. This will occur at the resurrection as Yeshua said, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" One who is born of the Spirit is a spirit being, the way I mentioned in the first resurrection.

Nobody is burning in hell now. Nobody. Hell is that lake of fire at the end of the age where the resurrected wicked will be thrown in and destroyed (perish) along with the devil and his angels.

I agree, nobody is in hell right now, but you're not understanding what I'm saying. Sinners become born again by repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus into their hearts RIGHT NOW. What do you think the purpose behind Jesus dying, was for?

Read these scriptures, and tell me what it means to sleep in Jesus and to be the dead in Christ here. How can you sleep IN Jesus and be the dead IN Christ, if you never accepted him into your heart before you died? 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[Guest]

When i say to you, you have the choice to accept Jesus into your heart right now, what does that mean to you? [MENTION=52486]tim-from-pa[/MENTION]

 

[tim-from-pa]

When i say to you, you have the choice to accept Jesus into your heart right now, what does that mean to you? @tim-from-pa

Again, semantics. I'm not sure where the so-called scriptural idea of "accepting Jesus into one's heart" began, and Jesus never gave altar calls. Instead, he said to "follow me".

I'm sure there's those who can give such a testimony of "accepting Jesus" and then will be shocked to hear him say one day, "Depart from me.... I never knew you." Such accepting gives one a false sense of security, to be sure.

But what I do know is what it says in John 6:47.

Only Yahweh does the calling: John 6:44, so technically we do not take the initiative to "accept" Christ, as the natural man does not desire the things of Yahweh.

All people will be called at some point: John 12:32

But each in their own time: 1 Corinthians 15:23-24

For Yahweh does not wish any to perish: 2 Peter 3:9

So.... remind that to the next evangelist beating their gums out keeping people late because they can't get anyone to the altar or get their saving job done. Maybe nobody has been called yet.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure where the so-called scriptural idea of "accepting Jesus into one's heart" began, and Jesus never gave altar calls. Instead, he said to "follow me".

How are you suppose to follow Jesus if he doesn't live inside of you tim? How are you suppose to follow Jesus if you haven't been converted yet? What are you gonna do, tell an atheist to start following Jesus? He would laugh at you. The atheist asks you then, why should I follow Jesus? What are you gonna say? Are you gonna say that Jesus died on the cross for your sins? That he poured his blood out for you on the cross? I don't think you understand quite what Jesus did for you on the cross tim. You might wanna read in to that. He died for you, to take away your sins brother. Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Once you come to Christ, your sins are forgiven forever. Past, present and future sins are all forgiven. This was done at the cross by living a sinless life.

Accepting Jesus into your heart - Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. What are you believing and confessing in here? John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. He will come to you tim, he will not leave you as orphans!! John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. What is he saying here, to be born again? How do you become born again, by accepting Jesus into your heart is how. What is your belief in who Jesus Christ is? It starts with faith tim.

I'm sure there's those who can give such a testimony of "accepting Jesus" and then will be shocked to hear him say one day, "Depart from me.... I never knew you." Such accepting gives one a false sense of security, to be sure.

But what I do know is what it says in John 6:47.

No tim, when a person comes to Christ and accepts him into their heart, their whole life changes. Jesus is now the main focus in their life. You will see the changes in a believer. Gives false sense of security? No tim, that's what the devil does. The devil gives you false sense of security. I see you lack faith in who Jesus Christ is. Are you ready to work on that and admit you're a sinner?

Only Yahweh does the calling: John 6:44, so technically we do not take the initiative to "accept" Christ, as the natural man does not desire the things of Yahweh.

We don't take the initiative? Are you sure about that? God draws us in with grace, but if you're not asking, seeking and knocking, what does that say of you? Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: tim, are you asking, seeking and knocking for his salvation? I think it's time you do so. The natural man does not desire the things of God, but are you asking, seeking and knocking so that you do desire? Blessings.

 

[tim-from-pa]

We don't take the initiative? Are you sure about that? God draws us in with grace, but if you're not asking, seeking and knocking, what does that say of you? Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: tim, are you asking, seeking and knocking for his salvation? I think it's time you do so. The natural man does not desire the things of God, but are you asking, seeking and knocking so that you do desire? Blessings.

And that's why I answered "no" to the question to "am I Christian" on my profile. Then if you read the other part, it says, "not by mainline standards". But I am one.

As gen x after me would say, "Been there done (all) that." But later as I studied the bible I found so much error being taught that it was like throwing it all out and starting over again. It's amazing some of the stuff that's out there.

Jesus in one's heart is gnosticism. The reason I know he lives is not because he lives in my heart. The reason I know he lives is because "Thus saith the Lord" and historical fact, which I accept by faith.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

That's not heart in the sense we use it, as in emotions and whatnot. It's when you hang your faith on Yeshua. Gotta get going now.

 

[Guest]

Jesus in one's heart is gnosticism. The reason I know he lives is not because he lives in my heart. The reason I know he lives is because "Thus saith the Lord" and historical fact, which I accept by faith.

Well, joining a christian forum is a good start for you. Please think about what I said. You can PM me anytime, many blessings.

 

[Free]

Jesus in one's heart is gnosticism.

Have source to back that up?

 

[Guest]

Accepting Jesus into your heart is not religion, that's peoples first mistake. Jesus is love, but to have his love dwell inside of you, you'd have to admit you're a sinner first. Holiness cannot dwell inside of sinful flesh.