'The Bible tells me so' is wrong

[smaller]

"Because the Bible tells me so," instead of saying, "because my Lord Jesus Christ tells me so."???

You keep on trying to pit The Word of Jesus in your head against His Own Words, written.

You do understand that kind of approach makes no sense? I'd suggest the voice in your head leading you to that conclusion is not worthy of trust.

 

[K2CHRIST]

You keep on trying to pit The Word of Jesus in your head against His Own Words, written.

You do understand that kind of approach makes no sense? I'd suggest the voice in your head leading you to that conclusion is not worthy of trust.

No, you just can understand that it is possible to hear from the Lord regularly. So yeah, that approach makes no sense to you. You read the Bible thinking that is going to get it done for you, and miss the whole message in the Bible.

Is 30:21 Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it," whenever you turn to the right of the left.

What Isaiah wrote there, makes no sense to you, and you can't accept a testimonies of anyone saying that actually can and does happen.

Of course Isaiah also wrote: Is 30:9 For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen to the instructions of the Lord.

That doesn't make sense to you also, because you will not listen by faith to the voice of the Lord, and insist on thinking that anyone claiming they can hear from the Lord can only be imagining it. Jesus said He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice... but you say Jesus is in some far off place called heaven and nobody can hear His voice regularly. And Paul wrote to people like that and explained, " Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?" and that The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" and that was the Word we are preaching.

I get it. You think I am imagining hearing from the Lord, but that is because you don't. So I can and have given you many testimonies about hearing from Him, and I can give you so many more but you can't understand unless you start believing that Jesus Christ really is the Great I Am and wants to talk to you! You reject our testimony just like it is written: Jn 3:11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

And it is not simply my testimony, but the testimony of Isaiah, of Paul and of Jesus Christ which you reject. You search the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life instead of seeking the Lord Jesus Christ, just like it also is written. And so it was and still is that Jesus says things like, Jn 5:46 For if you believed in Moses, you would believe in My, for he wrote about Me.

Still, Jesus is patient, not wishing anyone should perish. So I have testified to you over and over, and not just you, because Jesus was talking to the Jews when He said those words, and Christians are grafted into the Jewish root. So I am getting out a message, and it is the same message. It is a message about Jesus Christ and how He wants people to listen to Him. And that is the message of the Father who said, "Listen to Him". And it is the message of the Spirit who so badly wants you to hear the words of God that He does not even speak on His own imitative but only speaks what He hears. (Jn 16:13) So you are not rejecting me, you are rejecting God, you are rejecting all the prophets that have on before us also. But God is patient and keeps sending people to testify about Jesus Christ.

The Lord once ask me to go to Ezekeil 3 and read, and as I read He started talking to me and personalizing what was written to me. I read, "I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me." And I was hearing at the same time me Lord telling me, "I am sending you to a people that should listen to you; yet the will be unwilling to listen to you since they are not willing to listen to Me."

There is nothing new under the Sun. The message goes out and many people are going to reject it. In the mean time, I just heard the Lord ask me to take a walk with Him down to the donut shop. I have to go. I have someone to talk to. Bye

 

[smaller]

No, you just can understand that it is possible to hear from the Lord regularly.

And again you are "self" constructing a non-existing dichotomy between the supposed Word in your head to the Word written, as if they are NOT the same.

And that isn't the case. In "your mind" there is Word in your head and then a foreign irrelevant to the Word in your head called Word in WRITING that is supposedly and showhow---> DIFFERENT.

Jesus as supposed Word in your head is NOT going to be different than Word in WRITING or it is a "different claimer" that can't line up with what said Jesus in writing already SPOKE.

Do you understand that you are clinging to a false posture instilled from the supposed Word in your head?

So yeah, that approach makes no sense to you.

As certain as you are about the Word in your head I'd suggest the Word written denies that your posture is credible.

Jesus is NOT "different" than His Own Words that we have to deal with that were spoken and advised to "hear." Any "head letter" MUST comply with already given Word recorded.

IF for example we are led to believe that "evil thoughts" do not defile us or that such "evil thoughts" do not exist in our heads, we are factually at ODDS and AGAINST Jesus' Facts and have been merely led into quite a common LIE by the word in our head, which supposed "word" would be the activity and PROOF of "evil thoughts" in controversy with hard written fact. And such "evil thoughts" could very well POSTURE itself as "Jesus" and be completely LYING.

Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23 and Matt. 5:28 for examples of Jesus' Hard Line Facts. It's one of the sets of measures I use to see just how TRUTHFUL the supposed "Word in someones head" claiming to be Jesus IS to Jesus' Own Word facts.

In comparing one with the other, Jesus and the "holder" of "Jesus Word in their head" should line up Perfectly OR one of the two is a patent liar and it ain't the written Word.

Understand?

When applying this simple measure to your claim, what was encountered?

Resistance and pirouette. Which is actually another sign of "avoidance" to TELL THE TRUTH and proof of distrust for supposed "Word in head."

There are several steps, IN WRITING, that are given to believers to engage these matters. The above are the easy or "quick check" measures.

But the fact that you try to DIVIDE Jesus in your head from Jesus in writing is enough to say, they are not the same, and only ONE is truthful, that NOT being "Word in head."

Word in head IF Jesus would not deny a SINGLE WORD OF GOD IN WRITING from personal applicability. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4.

Various measures are amply provided, IN WRITING to "gut check" thoughts claiming to be JESUS in our heads. But when that "Word" in head refuses to align with Word written, that only means "Word" in head is fibbing or fact fudging.

Long winded personal stories of Jesus telling you "Karl" notwithstanding. Those long winded alternatives don't hold scriptural water either. There are very specific "marks" that Word of God, prophets and Apostles HIT that "prove" their validity.

Your stories don't even come close.

 

[Free]

Still it is not the textbook but the Lord our Teacher who we are following. So it is not "Because the Bible tells me so", it need to be "Because Jesus Christ my Lord and Teacher tells me so."

They are one and the same. Your statement undermines the authority of Scripture but you can't see that for some reason. The Bible is inspired by God, so when we read the Bible, we are being taught by God. That is the primary way he speaks to us. Your statement makes the Bible out to be just a book of words, like every other book.

And you will notice that I can and do give you some of the teachings He personally has told me.

You teach things that you think he has personally told you. But so far it doesn't add up to what the Bible says, so I question as to whether you're actually hearing from God. So many have been led astray by doing what you are doing.

What do they say the Lord told them personally? I would suggest that if they were being taught by God they would have and want to tell you some of the great teachings the Lord has personally given them.

And, again, I must mention the person you quoted earlier, who claimed to be taught personally by God but whose beliefs had nothing at all to do with Christianity other than borrowing the language.

But as it is many are saying, "Because the Bible tells me so", thereby indicating they are not hearing and being taught by God!

And, again, this is utterly false. The Bible is inspired and the words are what God wanted written for our learning. To read and study the Bible is to hear and be taught by God.

You continue to undermine the inspiration and authority of Scripture and you need to stop.

 

[smaller]

And, again, I must mention the person you quoted earlier, who claimed to be taught personally by God but whose beliefs had nothing at all to do with Christianity other than borrowing the language.

The guy in question tried to make an abundance of seriously off the wall claims, with just enough "written truth" to get his lying claims in the door. One of those claims was that 'all of creation' up to him was for the sole purposes for "him" this supposed "GodsVoice," to tell us all the real truth. Oh really now? lol. Let's start by seeing just how serious you are about lining up your SELF to the Word Written first on the DOWNSIDE, just to see how accurate your claims are? When that measure comes up, these "lying spirits" will seriously LIE out their noses every time.

Every deceiving spirit has 'some written' Word fact/truth attached, just as Satan did in his temptations of Jesus or as the lying spirit that followed Paul around had:

Acts 16:
16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Was that "spirit of divination" telling the TRUTH? Yep, to a very certain point, but in that point is also a blatant LIE. Those who have been "trained by" and are "listening" to the Word, WRITTEN, on how to know the difference would understand that lie came by the deployment of a single word, the word US.

There are also other "written signs" in that account that line up perfectly with how this "resistance spirit" functions and how believers can TELL what is happening.

Wherever The Gospel is proclaimed, IN TRUTH, the "signs of the resisting spirits" FOLLOW after the believers proclaiming.

Mark 16:
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These same "fact patterns" are found in other examples, such as Mark 4:15. Where the Word is sown, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

Jesus' temptations show this same pattern. Mark 4:15, Mark 16:17-18, Acts 16:16-17 all follow this EXACT WRITTEN pattern.

And, if walking after the Spirit, these "signs" will be sent, in real time, today. I have encountered many such "spirits" of resistance to WRITTEN WORD. Because Written Word LIVES in His disciples. Heb. 4:12. The "signs" are one way to "measure ourselves" to tell if we are following and listening and they are GOD GIVEN, in real time.

 

[WIP]

"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:8 NKJV

"Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves." 2 Corinthians 13:5 NKJV

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so." Acts 17:11 NKJV

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16 NKJV

Food for thought.

 

[Jim Parker]

I wonder if Mr. Jim Parker can honestly say....

I don't use that specific test that you describe but I do challenge any idea that I get about what the scriptures mean. Then I tend to go to the teaching of the apostles as recorded by the ancient church.

 

[Douglas Summers]

You think that you are having a conversation with the Bible when you read it. My friend, do you also think you are having a conversation with the author of every book when you read them? That is flat our silliness!! A conversation require communication back and for and the Scriptures have never spoken to you. You can't ask the Scriptures questions and get answers. You can however ask God questions and if you have spiritual ears to hear you can get answers from Him. You can even ask Him a questions about the Scriptures and get answers from Him, but you can't ask the Scriptures questions and get answers from them. And you don't understand the difference.

John 5:39-40 - "You Search the Scriptures" - Bible
www.bible.ca/ef/expository-john-5-39-40.htm

"You Search the Scriptures" ... "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; ...

• To the "born again believer" The Scripture are living words (they are alive in Spiritual life) man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD OF GOD! (Matt. 4:4) (Luke 4:4) The Bible is called the Living Word.

 

[Douglas Summers]

And there is nothing new under the sun.

Until The Christ came, now there is a new man (2 Cor. 5:17) and a new heaven and new earth is on it's way

 

[Jim Parker]

The Bible is inspired and the words are what God wanted written for our learning.

If it is accepted that the words in the scriptures are the exact words which God wanted to be written, then we must also accept that those exact words were written in ancient languages that are no longer spoken and in which few people are expert.
We don't read those words when we read our Bibles; we read translations of those words and every translation is an approximation of the meanings that the original words conveyed.

To read and study the Bible is to hear and be taught by God.

Not everyone who is taught understands what is being taught. That's why some students get As, some Cs and some Fs.

You continue to undermine the inspiration and authority of Scripture and you need to stop.

And you, Mr. moderator, might consider taking a deep breath and counting to 10.
He's doing the best he knows how to do.
He's doing what (probably) someone in some position of authority taught him to do.
And he's doing it because he really wants to get it right.
And, no, I don't endorse his technique as a recommended standard procedure.

People who read and study the Bible (the inspired words of God) regularly come up with all kinds of utter nonsense.
People who claim; "The Holy Ghost told me." regularly do the same thing.

It is not the authority of the Bible which is the issue but, rather, the ability of any given individual to read and understand what is being rcommunicated. Not everyone has a high degree of proficiency in those skills. Many would have a hard time getting through a Bret Harte short story (like "The Outcasts of Poker Flat") and then telling another person what the central message was. So, when they get out their King James Bible (written in a language the don't even speak) they have an even greater challenge.

I have taught freshman English and have first hand experience with the deplorable state of the literary ability of the average college freshman.

So, yes, the scriptures are the inspired word of God.
The transmission is excellent.
We can bet our eternal life on what they say.

The reception, often not so much.

jus' sayin'


iakov the fool
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[Jim Parker]

If you do read your Bible you would have seen that we are supposed to be listening to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you have a citation for that?

 

[ezrider]

Do you have a citation for that?

Matthew 17:1-6
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.


Deuteronomy 18:18-19
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.


John 14:25-26
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 10:26-27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 

[Jim Parker]

Matthew 17:1-6
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

That was a message from God to Peter, John and James to listen to Jesus whop was physically standing right in front of them.
It was not a message to the entire church for ever to listen to someone is not physically standing in front of us.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

That tells us to listen to God's prophets, not to the voice of Christi you think you hear in your head.

John 14:25-26
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

That's not talking about hearing voices.
That's Jesus telling his disciples ( not the entire church for ever) that the Holy Spirit would bring all things that He (Jesus) told them to remembrance and teach them.
IF that were the case for the whole church for all time then we would all be in agreement instead of having tens of thousands of denominations, sects, independent churches, etc. who are NOT in agreement. (Unless the Holy Spirit tells different people different "truth.")

John 10:26-27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Jesus was talking to JEws who didn't accept Him for who he was. He said His sheep (who were alive then) knew His voice (when He spoke AT THAT TIME.)
You have to really twist the scriptures to force any of those to support your idea of hearing Jesus' voice.
Maybe you actually do.
Maybe you have a prophetic gift.
But not everyone does.

Iakov the fool

 

[brother Paul]

As testified by 300 years of apostolic fathers, the apostles taught the Scriptures to be the final word in all matters of faith and doctrine...

a) not the only word
b) not the basis of truth but the testimony of it

The Bible does not claim to possess all truth but that all it possesses is the truth (for ex. even Peter's lie...it is true that he lied)

 

[brother Paul]

Great article OZ, thanks....

 

[smaller]

It is not the authority of the Bible which is the issue but, rather, the ability of any given individual to read and understand what is being rcommunicated. Not everyone has a high degree of proficiency in those skills. Many would have a hard time getting through a Bret Harte short story (like "The Outcasts of Poker Flat") and then telling another person what the central message was. So, when they get out their King James Bible (written in a language the don't even speak) they have an even greater challenge.

I have taught freshman English and have first hand experience with the deplorable state of the literary ability of the average college freshman.

So, yes, the scriptures are the inspired word of God.
The transmission is excellent.
We can bet our eternal life on what they say.

The reception, often not so much.

jus' sayin'

iakov the fool

The view above is on the opposite end of the spectrum. That only the "smart/high intellect" folk can really understand the Word of God, and they have to be "men" of course. And then these officiate intellectual men have to tell everyone else the "real scoop." Of course they don't agree on everything either, despite their intellect. And then these intellectuals "flock up" unto themselves in, by now, countless camps of various divisions. I'm sure the whole lot of them are "very smart." But the end result of intellect in church leadership has to be viewed for what it produced. And just because any particular smart guy or association of smart guys has more numbers, it doesn't mean they are the winners. Think "remnant."

1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

There are some matters delivered in writing that EVERY believer will have difficulties with, regardless of how they deal or engage with "as it is written." The flesh of all believers is against the Spirit and the Spirit is against the flesh of all believers. We don't have to be an intellectual genius to understand that fact or see its results. We can look upon ourselves or the churches and see it in real time. (Gal. 5:17)

A lot of folks, like K2 for example, and I know others, at some point throw up their hands and give up on laboring in Word/doctrine, because of the "divisions" that the Word brings. I don't necessarily blame them. It's not a pretty place. Probably wasn't meant to be.

LOOK at how vilely Jesus spoke to "temple leaders" in His days. At some point in a believers life, for some anyway, ask yourself "how and why" did that happen? And the same questions apply for today.

We have this standard called the Nicene Creed for example, and we claim peace and understandings between ourselves based on the findings therein. But drilling down past that we all know there is a veritable host of issues between sects and these things are reflected "everywhere" the Word is engaged.

There are explanations in "as it is written" for all these things, of course.

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

I'd say Jesus has been exceptionally successful in that effort.

 

[Jim Parker]

As testified by 300 years of apostolic fathers, the apostles taught the Scriptures to be the final word in all matters of faith and doctrine...

Strange,...the scriptures don't teach that.
The scriptures support the transmission of the truth by written AND oral transmission.

Oral teaching references
Act 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching
RO 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
GAL 3:2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? ……….. 5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
EPH 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
EPH 6:19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.
PHP 4:9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me - put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
COL 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 4 because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all the saints-- 5 the faith and love that spring from the hope that is stored up for you in heaven and that you have already heard about in the word of truth, the gospel 6 that has come to you. All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth
COL 1:22 … he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-- 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
1TH 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
1TH 4:1 Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. (This is a reference to oral teaching.)
2TH 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
1TI 3:14 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. (The church is the pillar and foundation of faith, NOT the Bible)
2TI 1:13 What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
2TI 2:2 … the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.
HEB 2:1 We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2 For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3 how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
JAS 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it--he will be blessed in what he does.
1JN 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life………..3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1JN 1:5 This is the message we have heardfrom him and declare to you:
1JN 2:7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard.
1JN 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
1JN 3:11 This is the message you heard from the beginning:
1JN 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heardis coming and even now is already in the world.
2JN 1: 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.


iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)






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[brother Paul]

Sorry Ivan I do not see how that differs. John 17 shows us that Jesus speaking of the Hebrew Scriptures tells us "Father", "Your word is truth" and I have no doubt it is. What I said is that they do not contain all the truth there is (Ex. 2 + 2 = 4 but it is not in the Bible) but that all it contains IS THE TRUTH (Ex. When Peter lied the lie was not the truth but it was true that Peter lied)...so I have no disagreement with your scriptural summation.

 

[Jim Parker]

Sorry Ivan I do not see how that differs. John 17 shows us that Jesus speaking of the Hebrew Scriptures tells us "Father", "Your word is truth" and I have no doubt it is. What I said is that they do not contain all the truth there is (Ex. 2 + 2 = 4 but it is not in the Bible) but that all it contains IS THE TRUTH (Ex. When Peter lied the lie was not the truth but it was true that Peter lied)...so I have no disagreement with your scriptural summation.

That's what the Bible says.
Deu 29:29 (RSV) The secret things belong to the LORD our God; but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

iakov the fool
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[brother Paul]

Sorry for the name change iakov...