'The Bible tells me so' is wrong

[Mike]

Acts 17
"10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so."

This is always a good practice, whether to confirm messages from people or to discern whether a message truly comes from the Holy Spirit or not. We should pray on our interpretation of scripture and seek guidance in it, but the Word is never wrong, is it? It should be our source of Truth; not a message from who knows where.

 

[Jim Parker]

So do I believe a 4th grader can hear from the Lord

I agree.
So can an ass as Balaam discovered.
Hearing from the Lord and doing a proper exegesis are no where near the same thing.
Your equating those two very different things is a perfect illustration of the problem which I was attempting to describe.

 

[Jim Parker]

There's a big difference between Satan and the Beast influencing you to read the Bible and the Holy Spirit of God who delivers the knowledge to understand all the prophecies written by God's former prophets. Without the knowledge of God to understand what God's prophets wrote for God, you will be thoroughly deceived by Satan and the Beast.

sigh

 

[K2CHRIST]

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

It's a wonderful verse and is followed by "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door I will come in to him and will dine with him and him with Me."

So of course someone that doesn't hear HIs voice hasn't repented!

 

[K2CHRIST]

Yesterday and today the Lord has been talking to me about three mistakes that Christians can make concerning the Scriptures. All three of them cause a person to look to the Scriptures instead of Him.

The first is that the Lord had to go away to some faraway place (heaven or hell) and so He left us the Scriptures to take His place. Paul cover this in Romans 10 by explain we do not say who will ascend into heaven or descend into hell, which is bring Christ up or down instead of remember that He said He would never leave you. If you think Jesus Christ is not with you to talk to you, because He went away instead of always being with you, you will not seek Him but will seek the Bible. So you seek the bible instead of Him. You would write, "Because the Bible tells me so" because you don't read you Bible while seeking His voice for explanations. A person making this mistake might not think the Bible saves them, because they believe He will come back someday from that faraway place to save them. But they do not believe He can easily be inquire of.

Another mistake you can make concerning the Scriptures is to make them God, instead of a book from God. What you wind up with is a Quad God instead of a Triune God. You move the Bible into the status of a person in the God head, by saying the Bible is alive, the Bible is active, the Bible is powerful, the Bible heals, and perhaps the Bible saves. So instead of Holy writ, you have a Holy person. Thus you are preaching, Father, Son, Spirit, and Holy Bible, though because it is a mistake you don't realize it. In this case you might look to the Father, Son, or Spirit but you might also look the Bible as living, active, and powerful, in order to get healed, advice, and salvation. This results in a believer of little faith in God because much of their faith is in the Bible which is from God but is not God.

The third mistake you can make concerning the Scriptures is making the Bible a god. You might have done this partially because you already made the other two mistake, but basically with this mistake the Bible has become their all and all. A person thus would emphatically say that they follow the Bible. Because the Bible has become their god they get very upset and can not reason well concerning their Bible. Again they would say "Because the Bible says", and if anyone would suggest the possibility of actually hearing from God they would get very upset. This is the reason the religious leaders were seeking to kill Jesus when He came in the flesh. If they were making the first mistake they could have given consideration that He might be the messiah.

That can be contrasted with Nicodemus who was making the first mistake. Nicodemus had felt God and gone away to a far off place, so Jesus reproved Him by pointing out that He must be born again which meant hearing the sound of the wind. Nicodemus hadn't actually considered the possibility that God was spirit and thus as the Great I Am could be heard from. He didn't consider it because he felt God had gone away to a far off place called heaven. So he lived by traditions and studying the Scriptures. That happens today also.

Now all the disciples had fallen away at some point, That is a result of the second mistake. They heard from Jesus Christ and felt the He might actually be the Christ, but because they were men of little faith, they would wind up turning back to their understanding of the Scriptures according to tradition. That happens today. Many of us do hear the Lord talking us then we fall away from Him and turn back to our understanding of the Scriptures according to our tradition. We blow in the wind. So even like John the Baptist who Jesus compared to a reed blowing in the wind, one day we say that small voice talking to us is the Lord our God and the next day we go back to leaning on our understanding and we want to know if He who talked to us and whom we saw the Holy Spirit fall upon like a dove is indeed God. So one day we day the Lord talks to us and saves us, and the next day we say "Because the Bible says". It's tradition, right?

And we still have those who have made the Bible their god. If you explain about Jesus Christ walking and talking with you, they are going to get upset and their reasoning fails them. You can point out that their precious Bible tells them that we need to seek the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ, but they can't consider that possibility. So to deal with you in their heads, they have to say you are a false prophet even if you have not given them any prophecy. They had to say you are hearing voices in your head, which is kind of true but they mean it to mean a devil. You see Jesus Christ having this same problem with them in the past. And there is nothing new.

Jn 8:47-49 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God." The Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father and you dishonor Me.

Now Jesus is God and God is love. So He was not trying to verbally attack them but was trying to explain to them the mistake they were making. What honor are you giving Jesus Christ if you are saying "Because the Bible says" instead of saying "Because Jesus Christ my Lord says"? We need to realize that He is indeed with us. That He did indeed say He would never leave us. That He did indeed say His sheep hear His voice. That He did indeed say that all those who seek find. That He did indeed say that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone would hear His voice and open the door He would come into them and dine with them.

And then yes you will hear a voice inside you. You will hear the sound of the wind because you will be born again. You will hear His voice like those who wrote about Him. And you probably will have discussions with those that don't believe it possible, because you will want them to come to know Him our Lord Jesus Christ. But you will stop saying "Because the Bible tells me so", because you will come to know Him the Teacher who says "Read Your Bible" because He is going to explain it to you. He will show out the mistakes we people make.

 

[smaller]

It's a wonderful verse and is followed by "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door I will come in to him and will dine with him and him with Me."

So of course someone that doesn't hear HIs voice hasn't repented!

It's easy peasy to bask only on the good side of the ledgers, whether in Word or in imaginations.

It's much more difficult to hear the adverse side of the coin, again, whether in Word or in reality.

So when people say they hear the Voice of God, whether in Word or in their head, I always ask, show me what God's told you on the adverse side of the ledgers. IF that person has never heard, from Word or experience, then I know that person has heard half a loaf, and more than likely are walking an imaginary trail of their own subjective idols.

Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

He kills. He makes alive. He wounds. He heals. It's never a one way street nor is it a path of our own makings.

From practical exposures from everyone I've met who thinks they hear God talking to them, they really never heard much, if anything, on the other side of the coin. They've insulated and isolated themselves under a form of religious fantasy. Not that I don't think that's from God as well.

I do know one thing. That anyone who draws back from Gods Words, who separates Word from Spirit, is not speaking from the seat of Truth. And this mark you bear, on one hand trying not to deny Gods Words, and on the other using those same Words to walk away from them. In short, a nonsensical form of understandings.

 

[Jim Parker]

The first is that the Lord had to go away to some faraway place (heaven or hell) and so He left us the Scriptures to take His place.

Another mistake you can make concerning the Scriptures is to make them God, instead of a book from God.

The third mistake you can make concerning the Scriptures is making the Bible a god.

Three very good points!

 

[K2CHRIST]

It's easy peasy to bask only on the good side of the ledgers, whether in Word or in imaginations.

It's much more difficult to hear the adverse side of the coin, again, whether in Word or in reality.

So when people say they hear the Voice of God, whether in Word or in their head, I always ask, show me what God's told you on the adverse side of the ledgers. IF that person has never heard, from Word or experience, then I know that person has heard half a loaf, and more than likely are walking an imaginary trail of their own subjective idols.

Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

He kills. He makes alive. He wounds. He heals. It's never a one way street nor is it a path of our own makings.

From practical exposures from everyone I've met who thinks they hear God talking to them, they really never heard much, if anything, on the other side of the coin. They've insulated and isolated themselves under a form of religious fantasy. Not that I don't think that's from God as well.

I do know one thing. That anyone who draws back from Gods Words, who separates Word from Spirit, is not speaking from the seat of Truth. And this mark you bear, on one hand trying not to deny Gods Words, and on the other using those same Words to walk away from them. In short, a nonsensical form of understandings.

Smaller, by what is written above, it seems you have a problem with believing I hear from the Lord simply because I have not gone over the reproof He gives me. He does reprove me and I will be happy to go over some examples of how He does that. I have posted them at times. But concerning this piece and His instructions to me; He has asked me in a number of ways and specifically told me "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I AM the Word of God".

So He asked, and still asks me to cover that specific issue. Today we call both the Scriptures and Jesus Christ the Word of God. We call the Scriptures the Word of God because God talked to people in the past and had them write what He wanted written. So in that sense we call the Scriptures the Word. However the Scriptures call Jesus Christ the Word of God, because He is the One who has and owns the words of God, and He is not the Scriptures but the One who talked to those who wrote the Scriptures. And that is a reproof He asked me to bring. It is not new, but is a reproof Jesus Himself brought, and others who wrote the Scriptures also did because they were asked.

Now Jesus was perfect, but the others were people like me who also were reproved by the Lord whether we read about it or not. We know that because it is written that He reproves those He loves. And we would really understand that if we talked to Him more. Talking to Him more doesn't make you less aware of the fact that He reproves those He loves, but more aware. Now God can be really nice about He goes about reproving us, but if we get intentionally rebellious He can give a much sharper reproof.

Jacob fought with Him all night and wound up with a bad hip. I've fought with Him, and it is usually over something small. It is like fighting with your wife. The worst fighting is often over the silliest things. Jacob was unnecessary worried about his brother. He wasn't putting much trust in God, was he. So Jacob fought with the Lord. I've done that. Once I was fighting with Him and I told the Lord, "What are you going to do? Hit me over the head?" And He did. I suddenly felt like I literally got hit over the side of the head. Instantly I stopped arguing with Him. And amazingly not because I didn't want to get hit again, but rather because I was so amazed that He could and did actually hit me with what really felt like a smack to the side of the head.

The point is, and this is the point I have been making all along: We need to talk to the Lord an that means listen to what He tells us. I would suggest talking to Him like anyone else, even if you are getting mad at Him and wind up fighting with Him. I got a lot more faith and wound up trusting the Lord so much more after I fought with Him and He hit me. And I believe Jacob also got a lot more faith and wound up trusting the Lord after what he went through also. But it is about talking (back and forth) with the Lord who is with us.

So, I wound not recommend fighting with Him, but I would much rather see people fighting with Him that not believing He is there so they wind up doubting whether you can have a conversation back and forth with Him. So it bothers me when I see "believing Christians" say "because the Bible tells me so", instead of saying "because my Lord Jesus Christ tells me so." How much faith do they really have in the Great I Am, if they don't hear from Him regularly.

Now, I also don't want to give the wrong impression of the Lord. He is loving, kind, and wonderful, thought He also had something written about a father that loves his son will discipline his son. For example, another thing that I regularly do is get so busy that I forget about my relationships with others and especially Him. He is also with us and if you are like me, you get busy and just forget about Him. So He gave me a parable to reprove me in this issue. I think you might like it. It's called the Busy Beaver Story and He told me this via His small voice, so here it is:


BUSY BEAVER STORY:

There was this busy beaver, and he was building a dam because….

Well, that’s what beavers do.

He was building a really good dam. There were no leaks in that dam. When he finished he noticed that the water was backing up behind the dam, so he built it higher.

But the water kept coming, so he built it higher and wider. But, the water kept coming, so he built it higher and wider and wider and higher. But the water kept coming, so he worked harder and harder, and built it higher and wider, and wider and higher, until he had built it from one side of the valley to the other. BUT THE WATER KEPT COMING, so he worked really hard for days, weeks maybe, and he built it to the top of both sides of the valley.

Then he looked over the top, and do you know what he saw? WATER! Nothing but water! What happened to the trees? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BIRDS? WHAT HAPPENED TO RABBITS, AND THE SQUIRRELS? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS FRIENDS?

He turned around and couldn’t believe what he saw. Everything was all dried up. The trees didn’t have any leaves, and the grass was all gone, and there were no birds or rabbits or squirrels there either. Wow, he just stood there, for days, weeks maybe. The water started coming over the dam and breaking it down, but he just didn’t care anymore.

One day he noticed a leaf on a tree, and then he heard a noise behind him. He turned and looked at that side of the dam. The trees there were soggy, like they had been under water a long time. The river was flowing in it’s banks again. Then he heard a noise, and saw a family of squirrels coming down the side of the valley.


There’s a moral to this story. You don’t want to get working so hard you forget about your friends. You got to let the water of life flow through you.

 

[smaller]

Smaller, by what is written above, it seems you have a problem with believing I hear from the Lord simply because I have not gone over the reproof He gives me. He does reprove me and I will be happy to go over some examples of how He does that.

I never ask for specifics. It's a conformance std. that is found with everyone who "hears." Something I use to sort through who hears and who fibs.

I have posted them at times. But concerning this piece and His instructions to me; He has asked me in a number of ways and specifically told me "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I AM the Word of God".

So He asked, and still asks me to cover that specific issue. Today we call both the Scriptures and Jesus Christ the Word of God. We call the Scriptures the Word of God because God talked to people in the past and had them write what He wanted written. So in that sense we call the Scriptures the Word. However the Scriptures call Jesus Christ the Word of God, because He is the One who has and owns the words of God, and He is not the Scriptures but the One who talked to those who wrote the Scriptures. And that is a reproof He asked me to bring. It is not new, but is a reproof Jesus Himself brought, and others who wrote the Scriptures also did because they were asked.

I generally distrust any modus that separates God in Christ from His Own Words, which, contrary to what you might imagine, do have Divine Purposes. Jesus wasn't kidding about Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4 and He wasn't referencing our imaginations being that.

Now Jesus was perfect, but the others were people like me who also were reproved by the Lord whether we read about it or not. We know that because it is written that He reproves those He loves.

Written and 'exampled.'

And we would really understand that if we talked to Him more. Talking to Him more doesn't make you less aware of the fact that He reproves those He loves, but more aware. Now God can be really nice about He goes about reproving us, but if we get intentionally rebellious He can give a much sharper reproof.

If we believe He is in us and with us, I'd venture conversations are not all that necessary, unless they are necessary. I don't think this is "willy nilly" on Gods Part.

Jacob fought with Him all night and wound up with a bad hip. I've fought with Him, and it is usually over something small. It is like fighting with your wife. The worst fighting is often over the silliest things. Jacob was unnecessary worried about his brother. He wasn't putting much trust in God, was he. So Jacob fought with the Lord. I've done that. Once I was fighting with Him and I told the Lord, "What are you going to do? Hit me over the head?" And He did. I suddenly felt like I literally got hit over the side of the head. Instantly I stopped arguing with Him. And amazingly not because I didn't want to get hit again, but rather because I was so amazed that He could and did actually hit me with what really felt like a smack to the side of the head.

Perhaps you can tell me how and why it is that Jacob came before his father Isaac as a liar, thief and usurper and God blessed him and chose him?

The point is, and this is the point I have been making all along: We need to talk to the Lord an that means listen to what He tells us. I would suggest talking to Him like anyone else, even if you are getting mad at Him and wind up fighting with Him. I got a lot more faith and wound up trusting the Lord so much more after I fought with Him and He hit me. And I believe Jacob also got a lot more faith and wound up trusting the Lord after what he went through also. But it is about talking (back and forth) with the Lord who is with us.

So, I wound not recommend fighting with Him, but I would much rather see people fighting with Him that not believing He is there so they wind up doubting whether you can have a conversation back and forth with Him. So it bothers me when I see "believing Christians" say "because the Bible tells me so", instead of saying "because my Lord Jesus Christ tells me so." How much faith do they really have in the Great I Am, if they don't hear from Him regularly.

Now, I also don't want to give the wrong impression of the Lord. He is loving, kind, and wonderful, thought He also had something written about a father that loves his son will discipline his son. For example, another thing that I regularly do is get so busy that I forget about my relationships with others and especially Him. He is also with us and if you are like me, you get busy and just forget about Him. So He gave me a parable to reprove me in this issue. I think you might like it. It's called the Busy Beaver Story and He told me this via His small voice, so here it is:

BUSY BEAVER STORY:
There was this busy beaver, and he was building a dam because….
Well, that’s what beavers do.
He was building a really good dam. There were no leaks in that dam. When he finished he noticed that the water was backing up behind the dam, so he built it higher.
But the water kept coming, so he built it higher and wider. But, the water kept coming, so he built it higher and wider and wider and higher. But the water kept coming, so he worked harder and harder, and built it higher and wider, and wider and higher, until he had built it from one side of the valley to the other. BUT THE WATER KEPT COMING, so he worked really hard for days, weeks maybe, and he built it to the top of both sides of the valley.
Then he looked over the top, and do you know what he saw? WATER! Nothing but water! What happened to the trees? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BIRDS? WHAT HAPPENED TO RABBITS, AND THE SQUIRRELS? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS FRIENDS?
He turned around and couldn’t believe what he saw. Everything was all dried up. The trees didn’t have any leaves, and the grass was all gone, and there were no birds or rabbits or squirrels there either. Wow, he just stood there, for days, weeks maybe. The water started coming over the dam and breaking it down, but he just didn’t care anymore.
One day he noticed a leaf on a tree, and then he heard a noise behind him. He turned and looked at that side of the dam. The trees there were soggy, like they had been under water a long time. The river was flowing in it’s banks again. Then he heard a noise, and saw a family of squirrels coming down the side of the valley.
There’s a moral to this story. You don’t want to get working so hard you forget about your friends. You got to let the water of life flow through you.

Or, to save a lot of long wind with a similar factual account:

Psalm 127:1
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Gods Words tend to cut to the chase.

 

[smaller]

Now, here is a man that may have legitimately heard from God. Love these accounts. Let's watch and see how it plays out:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/philippines-duterte-says-god-told-him-stop-cursing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/philippines-duterte-says-god-told-him-stop-cursing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/philippines-duterte-says-god-told-him-stop-cursing

Psalm 109:18
As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Guy even gets a personal warning ahead of time. Nice of God to do that imho.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I never ask for specifics. It's a conformance std. that is found with everyone who "hears." Something I use to sort through who hears and who fibs.



I generally distrust any modus that separates God in Christ from His Own Words, which, contrary to what you might imagine, do have Divine Purposes. Jesus wasn't kidding about Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4 and He wasn't referencing our imaginations being that.


Written and 'exampled.'



If we believe He is in us and with us, I'd venture conversations are not all that necessary, unless they are necessary. I don't think this is "willy nilly" on Gods Part.



Perhaps you can tell me how and why it is that Jacob came before his father Isaac as a liar, thief and usurper and God blessed him and chose him?


Or, to save a lot of long wind with a similar factual account:

Psalm 127:1
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Gods Words tend to cut to the chase.

A couple of thoughts on the above:

Concerning, "Something I use to sort through who hears and who fibs."

If a person hears God why are they trying to sort through who hears and who fibs. If they hear that can just ask the Lord and let Him tell them. That is obvious, so to say they are trying to sort it out makes it clear that they are not seeking the voice of the Lord and taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. It shows they don't hear, but they can see it because they are leaning on their own understanding instead of seeking the voice of the Lord themselves!

Concerning "I generally distrust any modus that separates God in Christ from His Own Words" I find this interesting because the Bible explains that love trusts all. So this generally distrust is not from love, and God is love. So where does the "generally distrust" come from. Discernment of spirits is a gift from the Holy Spirit of whom it is written, "He speaks." I recommend that we listen to Him.

A couple other things on this. The Bible has a lot more that God's words. Satan is quoted in the Bible, so are we saying that Satan's words are God's words. If you think that everything written in the Bible is "God's Own Words" then you are in fact saying that Satan's words are God's words. God inspired the writing of the Scriptures, but the Holy Spirit is needed for interpretation!! Also, Satan in fact quoted the writings to Jesus to try and get his way. Jesus then responded by quoting another writing in the Scriptures, and Jesus also said He did and said only what the Father told Him. So I recommend not leaning on our own understanding but seeking the voice of the Lord by faith and listening to God.

Concerning "If we believe He is in us and with us, I'd venture conversations are not all that necessary, unless they are necessary. I don't think this is "willy nilly" on Gods Part."

To me, the above make no sense. That is to say it is nonsense. If and since God is with us, we should listen to Him and figure it is necessary. Or do we think we are smarter than God? Well, perhaps we do at times because we are not to sensible, but Jesus didn't figure that way. He did and said only what the Father told Him. So obviously He was listening all the time. And Jesus talked more about having "ears to hear" than anything else. And to all seven churches in Revelation He told them to let those that have an ear to hear... so is it really "willy nilly" to think people should be seeking the voice of God. Isaiah put it this way, "For this is a rebellious people, false son, Sons who refuse to listen to the instruction of the Lord" (Is 30:9)

So indeed some have ventured to think conversations are not all that necessary, but it was those like Isaiah, or Jesus Christ our Lord. I'd venture to say they are necessary, and if in doubt I'd check with Him and listen to make He didn't have more to say to me.

And concerning the verse

Psalm 127:1
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain

If we are not hearing from the Lord what would make us think He is building our house? I admittedly don't hear from Him as much as I should, but I hear from Him about a dozen times a day. He tells me lots of things, but mostly I get instructions like go hear and do that. I also hear Him tell me He loves me and often several times during the day. For example, yesterday there was a party with the healing ministry the Lord asked me to me in. He asked me to get pizza. He told me where I was to get it, how many pizza's to get, and even when to leave to get them. He also had me get prayer from the pastor because He my Lord said He was going to give my pastor something to impart to me. Now based upon things like this being told to me, I have reason to believe the Lord is building my house, but I'd wonder about those who think seeking a conversation with the Lord might be compare to God being "willy nilly".

Paul said he took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. So should that thinking be compared to thinking God is "willy nilly" in HIs actions, or did Paul understand the importance of seeking God more that us?

God gives us freewill. We can choose to seek Him or not. Some will choose not to seek Him thinking that if God needs to talk to them He can. We God can, but why would He want to talk to them? He might have His reasons, and He might talk to someone, but don't you like talking to those who like talking to you? God like the relationship. If you want it, seek it. If you want God seek Him. If you want wisdom, knowledge and understanding; God has it, but Prov 2:6 says.. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So what are we going to do? Are we going to tell ourselves that we have the Bible and say, "Because the Bible tells me so",. or are we going to realize that the Bible was written in hope that you might seek the Lord Jesus Christ and thus wind up saying "Because my Lord Jesus Christ tells me so" And note: people who do hear from the Lord can get a pretty good idea how much you are actually hearing from the Lord by what you have to say. Jesus put it this way to the Pharisees, Jn 8:43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My words."

Oh, the Pharisees studied the Scriptures, but they did not hear with their spiritual ears. So studying the Scriptures did not save the Pharisees, though they would certainly have said "Because the Bible says". What they could not have said is "Because my Lord Jesus Christ says." The Lord did not build their house!!

 

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A couple of thoughts on the above:

Concerning, "Something I use to sort through who hears and who fibs."

If a person hears God why are they trying to sort through who hears and who fibs. If they hear that can just ask the Lord and let Him tell them. That is obvious, so to say they are trying to sort it out makes it clear that they are not seeking the voice of the Lord and taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ.

Perhaps a simple difference of hearing "as it is written" for factual evidence comparisons to claims made, or not.

Most of us have probably been around the believers tracks long enough to know to compare claims made to claims written. I think it's quite a solid methodology myself.

It shows they don't hear,

There is certainly a need to hear "as it is written" or we would not have been advised as much by Jesus. Now, we can relegate this effort to our imaginations OR we can take 'every thought' captive to the Word of Truth, as it is written. Simple difference in methodology. I'm very fond of the "as it is written" methodology myself. Keeps out the riff raff claims.

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4 is where I start. Not saying it's an easy gig, by any measure.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Perhaps a simple difference of hearing "as it is written" for factual evidence comparisons to claims made, or not.

Most of us have probably been around the believers tracks long enough to know to compare claims made to claims written. I think it's quite a solid methodology myself.


There is certainly a need to hear "as it is written" or we would not have been advised as much by Jesus. Now, we can relegate this effort to our imaginations OR we can take 'every thought' captive to the Word of Truth, as it is written. Simple difference in methodology. I'm very fond of the "as it is written" methodology myself. Keeps out the riff raff claims.

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4 is where I start. Not saying it's an easy gig, by any measure.

Ok, so we have two methods. We can take every thought captive to the Word of Truth, where the Word of Truth is a book which we read. Or we can take every thought captive to the Word of Truth to Jesus Christ and listen to what the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ, has to say to us.

Jesus told His disciples. (Mk 4:10) "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that while seeing, they may see and not perceive, and while hearing, they may hear and not understand, otherwise they might return and be forgiven."

I would point out that everyone has been given the Bible which they can see and hear read, but while seeing do all of them perceive, and while hearing do all of them understand. Which method actually leads you to Jesus Christ?

Mk 4:11 With many such parables He was speaking the word to them, so far as they were able to hear it; and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples.

I once heard Him tell me: "I MADE THE MOUNTAIN AND THE MOUNTAIN IS GOOD, BUT WOE TO THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE MOUNTAIN. WOE TO THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE CREATED AND NOT THE CREATOR."

The Lord who created all things had people write the Scriptures (our Bible) as He instructed them. So are you looking to the Lord or His creation? The first words I heard from Him were, "Read Your Bible", but the Bible was not Him, It was the book that told me about Him and it explained that He would never leave me.

So I use the method which means turning to Him for answers, even concerning the writings He had written, but I see some don't understand like I do. I feel they are missing something, and I feel it is something important. To me it seems they are missing a relationship with the One who said He would never leave them. And they might also be missing salvation also because it is written that Jesus Christ told the Jews, that they were searching the Scriptures thinking in them they had eternal life instead of turning to Him. (Jn 5:39)

So I persist in preaching Jesus Christ, that He can be heard from today, and I use the Scriptures to back up what I am preaching. But will they believe? Will they believe even if they read the writings of Moses?

In the Scriptures we can read where Jesus told the Jews, "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words? (Jn5:46,47)

Do you not see that Moses wrote in order that you might believe in the One whom talked to Moses? But if you don't believe what Moses wrote, how will you believe in the One whom talked to Moses? Could it be that like the Jews there are still some that search the Scriptures thinking that in them they have eternal life instead of turning to Jesus Christ?

So yes, there are two methods and were two methods but only one will get you eternal life according to what is written, and that is to hear the words of the Lord, and that was explained by the writing of Moses.

Deut 30:11...20 For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it?.... But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it...... So choose life in order that you might live, you and your descendants, by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life....

So are we going to read the writing of Moses and depend on our understanding of them, and use that method? Or are we going to read the writings of Moses and then seek after God by obeying His voice and loving Him? Which method is it going to be?

Note: If you are going to depend on your understanding of the Scriptures instead of seeking the voice of the Lord you will say "Because the Bible told me so." because you don't hear the Lord telling you so. You are going to think that others are imagining hearing from the Lord, because you have to make an excuse to yourself (not us) for not seeking His voice. You are going to think that taking every thought captive to Jesus Christ means leaning on your understanding of the Scriptures instead of talking to the Lord about them, because you don't believe He can be heard from. You efforts will be in pointing people to the Scriptures, because you can't point people to the Lord because you don't believe they could hear from Him for themselves if you can't believe you can hear from Him. You will be zealous for the Scriptures instead of zealous for the Lord. You will have to say reading the Bible is hearing from the Lord because you don't hear from the Lord to know what hearing from Him is like. And so you will wind up determining you are right, because you can not understand you are wrong and thus need to listen to the Lord Jesus Christ to find out what is right. So you will have wound up putting your faith in the Scriptures instead of putting you faith in the Lord. Though you might not know it, you will have wound up worshiping the Scriptures which are good but are created, instead of worshiping the Lord who had them created.

Jesus Christ will indeed tell many on that day, that He never knew them, even though they might have healed the sick in His name, cast out demons in His name, and prophesied in His name. He will not lie to them. They will have never come to know Him, though they will have come to know what was written in the Scriptures. And how sad is that? That many had all the explanation and never actually got to know our Lord? He really is a wonderful counselor. How I wish I could convince everyone of that.

He once told me, "

WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???

The Holy Spirit will speak to us and He will guide us into all understanding, but if you are not listening to the Spirit you can wind up reading the Bible over and over and still not understand that God is really there to talk to you, even though that was exactly what all the writers of the Scriptures, like Moses, were trying to tell you.

Prov 4:1 Hear, O sons, the instructions of a father, and give attention that you may gain understanding.

It is not written, "Read, O sons.." but "Hear, O sons"

Prov 5:13,14 I have not listened to the voice of my teachers, Nor inclined my ear to my instructors! I was almost in utter ruin in the midst of the assembly and congregation.

Today, there are those who do not listen to the voice of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and are almost in utter ruin though they are in the midst of the assembly or congregation. They are reading the Bible, going to church, and maybe listening to every sermon, but if they don't know the Lord they are almost in utter ruin. Time is running out for all of us. Either we know Him or we don't.

So is it "Because the Bible tells me so", or is it "Because the Lord tells me so."?

I go to the church I do, "Because the Lord told me to." I help in a Christian healing ministry, "Because the Lord told me to." I also help in a hospital visitation ministry, "Because the Lord told me to." I also help in a prayer ministry, "Because the Lord told me to." He tells me things everyday, which is what you should expect from someone who is always with you. He tells me things like, "Karl, lets take a walk to the donut shop together," but some Christian scoff at that possibility.

So yes indeed. There are different methods of living your life. I preach Jesus Christ, to mean you can actually have a personal relationship with Him, and not just say you do because you read and study the Bible!!!

 

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So yes indeed. There are different methods of living your life. I preach Jesus Christ, to mean you can actually have a personal relationship with Him, and not just say you do because you read and study the Bible!!!

Let's just say I found cause to question the voice in my head that said it was Jesus and leave it at that. I don't need to hear voices in my head claiming to be Jesus to have a relationship, in and by faith in Jesus Christ and the Word He already provided to "prove" Himself.

 

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Let's just say I found cause to question the voice in my head that said it was Jesus and leave it at that. I don't need to hear voices in my head claiming to be Jesus to have a relationship, in and by faith in Jesus Christ and the Word He already provided to "prove" Himself.

Every person that I have a relationship with. that relationship involved and evolved because I had conversations with them..

Also, I have read a number of books, but not once did reading a book someone wrote create a relationship with them.

And I did read in the Bible that Abraham had a relationship with God, and that seemed to happen because he heard the Lord speaking to Him. Indeed it was that hearing the Lord speaking to him in a vision and believing it was God speaking to him that was created to Abram as righteousness. So if it was in a vision that the One who was called "the word of the Lord / God" spoke to Abram, it wasn't by sound waves but by a "voice in his head" in which Abram heard the Lord.

So someone can write " I don't need to hear voices in my head claiming to be Jesus to have a relationship, in and by faith in Jesus Christ", but that was exactly how Abram heard from the word of the Lord. He did not read the words in a book, he heard the Lord speaking to him in a vision (a voice in his head), and believed that it was the Lord speaking to him, and it was that type of faith in Jesus Christ that was counted to him as righteousness.

Still, it obviously is possible for people to reach different conclusions and think their righteousness come from reading a Book ( the Scriptures) we also call the Word of God. It is obvious because we see that in the Scriptures in John 5 where we see it recorded that Jesus Christ told the Jesus they searched the Scriptures thinking in them they have life, and also where Jesus explained that if they if they do not believe the writings of Moses (who wrote Genesis) how were they going to believe HIs words.

My friends, if you don't believe that God can speak to from within you, and even with words that you can pick up, you do not believe that Abram heard from the Lord, because that is what the Bible was explaining! You don't believe the writings of Moses, and so how are you going to believe the Lord's words to you? Jesus told them, if you are the sons of Abraham do the deeds of Abraham. Abraham heard the word of the Lord speaking to him inside, and it was that faith that saved him. So do that deed. And don't think your searching the Scriptures saves you!!

FOR REFERENCE:

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

(note: "the word of the Lord" was the name of the One who came unto Abram" and He spoke to Abram in a vision 'a voice is his head' )-

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a rode dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God

(note: today we usually mean the Scriptures when we say "The Word of God", but that is also the name of Jesus Christ.)

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

(so Abram heard the Lord speaking to him from inside him 'in a vision'. Abram believed it was the Lord and not just his imagination, and it was that belief that was counted to Abram as righteousness.)

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

(We see the Scripture do testify about Jesus, but does that mean we the Scriptures are our savior?)

Jn 5:40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

(You have to seek the Lord by faith to have eternal life, which means you can find Jesus Christ and His words inside you)

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching

(Abram found the Lord speaking to him in a vision that of course he picked up inside himself. That is the word of faith which we are preaching. And Moses explained the same thing.)

Deut. 30:14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

(But if it has to be explained, then some still did not and do not understand and believe)

John 5:46 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.

Summary:

Moses wrote and created a record for the Jews, but when Jesus Christ came in the flesh they Jews were searching the Scriptures thinking they had eternal life. They felt they were saved and had a relationship with God, but they did not knowing Him though He stood in front of them. They did not understand. He reproved them, so that they might reconsider and seek God instead of depending on their study of the Scriptures and their traditions. And there is nothing new under the sun. Some are still doing that. They read a book and think they know the One who had it written. But trying reading any book; does that mean you can now show up at the authors house and expect to get in? No. But if perhaps you have lunch with the author and discuss his book with Him, then maybe you will get to know the One who had it written and would be allowed into His house in a time of trouble.

So hear is the good news.

Rev 19:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

You can dine with Jesus Christ today. You can have a conversation with Him today. Today you can hear His voice, and that applies to "anyone". But we hear by faith, not disbelief. So you have to believe He is available to be heard from, and that from within you. In your heart and even on your lips. The Lord puts impressions on you. Who tells you to give to the poor? But the Spirit of God is not the only Spirit? Who tells you to hate someone because they don't look like you? God is love, and not you. We are selfish, and we battle with the powers and dark forces of this world who do not want you to know love. So who told you the Bible will save you, when the Bible calls the Christ, Jesus (Yeshua, God's salvation) How is your discernment of spirits if you don't listen to what goes on inside you and consider?

 

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Every person that I have a relationship with. that relationship involved and evolved because I had conversations with them..

Also, I have read a number of books, but not once did reading a book someone wrote create a relationship with them.

And I did read in the Bible that Abraham had a relationship with God, and that seemed to happen because he heard the Lord speaking to Him. Indeed it was that hearing the Lord speaking to him in a vision and believing it was God speaking to him that was created to Abram as righteousness. So if it was in a vision that the One who was called "the word of the Lord / God" spoke to Abram, it wasn't by sound waves but by a "voice in his head" in which Abram heard the Lord.

Let's try to hone in on the above, and I'll share what I've "heard," particularly in the above. There is "as it is written" discourse and in those same Words there IS a spiritual discourse that is applicable to all of us.

Now, if we accept this premise, which I do, the "as it is written" to Abraham also applies to everyone in faith. That is how I hear "as it is written." So, understanding this, I say, OK LORD, show me how this applies to me. Do you understand this type of dialog?

And I'll give an "as it is written" dialog that Paul gives us, to take us in this direction. It is found in Gal. 4, where Paul shows us the ground of entry to understanding "as it is written," how that applies to us, and what we hear in the Spiritual Discourse.

God Is True to His Word, in the Spiritual Discourses.

 

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Here is the pit stop that Jesus brings us to, to HEAR the Spiritual Discourse:

Matthew 15:
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

A person in faith, IN TRUTH, will hear His Words above and understand WHY we distrust our own thoughts. Anyone who claims Christ and does not bow down to HIS WORDS above are not only deceiving themselves, but lying to themselves, about the internal realities above.

On this Ground of Truth, God Will Open Our Ears to His Word, to HIS SPIRITUAL DISCOURSES, "AS IT IS WRITTEN."

Otherwise, His Words in the Spiritual Discourses remain locked and the door shut, firmly, to all posers.

 

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Let's try to hone in on the above, and I'll share what I've "heard," particularly in the above. There is "as it is written" discourse and in those same Words there IS a spiritual discourse that is applicable to all of us.

Now, if we accept this premise, which I do, the "as it is written" to Abraham also applies to everyone in faith. That is how I hear "as it is written." So, understanding this, I say, OK LORD, show me how this applies to me. Do you understand this type of dialog?

And I'll give an "as it is written" dialog that Paul gives us, to take us in this direction. It is found in Gal. 4, where Paul shows us the ground of entry to understanding "as it is written," how that applies to us, and what we hear in the Spiritual Discourse.

God Is True to His Word, in the Spiritual Discourses.

The Bible has information that is important to all of us, so we need to study it. I'm not sure if I would call it spiritual discourse, but perhaps. The Bible is not a two way conversation or communication! It is only God communicating with us, and that through others. God had people make a written record, which is for everyone. So it is not personal to you or me, but is a book. It is Holy writ,! It is not a conversation.

Discourse:
1.
communication of thought by words; talk; conversation:
earnest and intelligent discourse.
2.
a formal discussion of a subject in speech or writing, as a dissertation, treatise, sermon, etc.

So can it be considered "discourse". Perhaps, if you God can hear from the Lord and He points things out to you, it can certainly be used in a teaching give to you by the Lord. So then it would be part of a "discourse"

The Lord once told me "What teacher doesn't put in front of his students today, a book"

A book from God is what we have in the Bible. The Book is not the teacher, and it is the Teacher we are telling people about!

In that saying the Lord went on to say, "Yet not only a book but overhead transparencies', visuals, and other material."

So as a Teacher, God does not only use the Book in His discourse/communication with us, but He is going to use a variety of materials and most important of all, He is going to talk to us about and teach us. So the Word of God that we are preaching is His small voice, not the Book. We can call the Book the Word of God also, since it does contain writing the Lord wants us to have and to study. However there is a problem that can arise from calling both the Bible and the Lord "The Word of God". We can confuse people, so that they are not looking for the person Jesus Christ but rather the Book called the Bible. They get to thinking the Book saves them. When Jesus is our savior. They get to thinking the Book heals them, when the Lord is our healer. They get to leaning on their understanding of the Bible instead of seeking Jesus Christ as the Teacher. They simply get confused. Instead of seeking the Lord they depend on traditions and the writings, and sadly they never come to actually know the Lord. Then they say, "Because the Bible tells me so", because they don't even know the Lord wants to talk to them. That's a problem!!

The problem is similar to the Abbot and Costello comedy routine, "Whose on First". where "Who' is the name of the first baseman. Abbot and Costello go round and round in this confusion, because Costello can't understand that "Who" is the name of the first baseman. And that is what's happening in Christianity today. "The Word of God" is the name of our Lord who is "the First"

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called "The Word of God"

But He is not the Bible. He is God the Son. He is a person, and we can hear from Him.

I her from Him usually about a dozen times a day, but let me give an example of how this applies in a discourse:

I tried to set aside a little time each morning to talk to Him with my Bible handy, in case He wants to show me something. Often He does want to cover something in the Bible with me. He can tell me where to go in the Bible. I can hear Him tell me, "Go to this chapter and verse", or maybe it is simply a chapter, or sometime He just has tells me to open the Bible and He seems to cause the Bible to open where He wants it to. All of those are options for Him and I see Him use all those options. And sometimes He has me get another book from my library instead of the Bible. We are dealing with The Teacher, The Wonderful Counselor, and the Mighty God, and not just a book!

One day I remember well. He told me "Karl, I want you to open the Bible to Ezekiel 3:3 and start reading. And so I did. I was reading "He said to me, "Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you..."

And as I was reading He start talking to me so that I could read the words in my Bible and hear Him talking to me at the same time. And He was telling me almost the same words that I was reading. I say almost because He was personalizing what was written to me.

So I while I was reading, "But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me," (Ez 3:6,7), at the same time I was hearing "Karl, they will not be willing to listen to you since they are not willing to listen to Me"

And this is the problem I am dealing with. I am trying to tell Christians, who are a people grafted into the Jewish root, that they need to listen to the Lord, if they are not willing to listen to the Lord and seek His voice they are not going to be willing to listen to Me.

God said "Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate" (Ez 3:7) Have we gotten so stubborn that we are not even willing to consider that we need to listen to God, and that reading the Bible is not the same thing as listening to Jesus Christ.

He told me personally, "I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads." Yes, I read it but I also personally heard Him tell me that. And isn't it for that reason that I am continually going over this issue, and thus this thread has gone on and on, while some trying and tell me "Because the Bible says," while I try to correct them and point out that it needs to be "Because our Lord Jesus Christ says." One statement has made it about what God told people in the past, the other is about a personal relationship with a living God.

So what type of personal relationship with God do you have if you are making it about the 2000 year old writings and thinking that reading them is having a discourse with the Teacher. I tell you can have a discourse with the Teacher who will talk to you about everything including the 2000 year old sacred writings! But will you become stubborn or will you believe in the living God and seek His voice?

 

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The Bible ------ it is not personal to you or me, but is a book. It is Holy writ,! It is not a conversation.

And we would disagree on that. The Word is not merely type set on paper. It does have a Spiritual Discourse. We can read: GOD IS LOVE on paper, 1 John 4:8 for example. But there is a Spiritual Experience or discourse if you please with God AS LOVE, that goes beyond type on paper. Do you understand that the Word, GOD IS LOVE, and the "experience" that God Is LOVE are in fact TWO, identical things. One as a statement of fact, and one, a fact of "experience." IS the Word on Paper against the reality of the experience?

Never! There is the written Word, there is the "experience" of that statement of fact. They are not and can not POSSIBLY be pitted against each others.

Are we going to deny Gods Words? That say God is LOVE? Why? What possible good can come of that? Do we deny the experience? Never. The fact is, God is not and can not be against His Own Words. Either as they are written OR as they are experienced.

Discourse:
1.
communication of thought by words; talk; conversation:
earnest and intelligent discourse.
2.
a formal discussion of a subject in speech or writing, as a dissertation, treatise, sermon, etc.

So can it be considered "discourse". Perhaps, if you God can hear from the Lord and He points things out to you, it can certainly be used in a teaching give to you by the Lord. So then it would be part of a "discourse"

Jesus has advised us that man, that would be you and I, will LIVE, by every Word of God. I read His Words with that in mind. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. I might come to know GOD IS LOVE by some remote chance of engagement, as some do. But to see the legitimacy of Gods actually having "expressed" this through the law, the prophets, the Apostles, we have the "foundation" of our basis in understanding HOW God actually works. It is not as you propose, coffee and donut chat. But I've met no small share of believers who want to "share" with me their coffee and donut chat as 'The Word of the Lord' and "thus saith the Lord" all my life. Most of the believers I have engaged that live in this way are, sorry, half off their rocker, wouldn't have clue ONE how to "identify" the legitimacy of any such claims, and most of the time are off into some fantasy world of their own mind, telling them that "THUS SAITH THE LORD."

So you'll have to excuse my eyebrow raising. I've just heard so much patent nonsense from this arena I got sick of listening to it.

One consistent pattern behavior that such people demonsrate though, is a uniform DENIAL of "as it is written." They simply have no respect. Yet they'll scurry to it to "verify" that 'THUS SAITH THE LORD' was with them that morning for coffee and donuts.

God did take some precautions when delivering His Own Words to us, that I kind of respect, greatly.

 

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And we would disagree on that. The Word is not merely type set on paper. It does have a Spiritual Discourse. We can read: GOD IS LOVE on paper, 1 John 4:8 for example. But there is a Spiritual Experience or discourse if you please with God AS LOVE, that goes beyond type on paper. Do you understand that the Word, GOD IS LOVE, and the "experience" that God Is LOVE are in fact TWO, identical things. One as a statement of fact, and one, a fact of "experience." IS the Word on Paper against the reality of the experience?

Never! There is the written Word, there is the "experience" of that statement of fact. They are not and can not POSSIBLY be pitted against each others.

Are we going to deny Gods Words? That say God is LOVE? Why? What possible good can come of that? Do we deny the experience? Never. The fact is, God is not and can not be against His Own Words. Either as they are written OR as they are experienced.


Jesus has advised us that man, that would be you and I, will LIVE, by every Word of God. I read His Words with that in mind. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. I might come to know GOD IS LOVE by some remote chance of engagement, as some do. But to see the legitimacy of Gods actually having "expressed" this through the law, the prophets, the Apostles, we have the "foundation" of our basis in understanding HOW God actually works. It is not as you propose, coffee and donut chat. But I've met no small share of believers who want to "share" with me their coffee and donut chat as 'The Word of the Lord' and "thus saith the Lord" all my life. Most of the believers I have engaged that live in this way are, sorry, half off their rocker, wouldn't have clue ONE how to "identify" the legitimacy of any such claims, and most of the time are off into some fantasy world of their own mind, telling them that "THUS SAITH THE LORD."

So you'll have to excuse my eyebrow raising. I've just heard so much patent nonsense from this arena I got sick of listening to it.

One consistent pattern behavior that such people demonsrate though, is a uniform DENIAL of "as it is written." They simply have no respect. Yet they'll scurry to it to "verify" that 'THUS SAITH THE LORD' was with them that morning for coffee and donuts.

God did take some precautions when delivering His Own Words to us, that I kind of respect, greatly.

You think that you are having a conversation with the Bible when you read it. My friend, do you also think you are having a conversation with the author of every book when you read them? That is flat our silliness!! A conversation require communication back and for and the Scriptures have never spoken to you. You can't ask the Scriptures questions and get answers. You can however ask God questions and if you have spiritual ears to hear you can get answers from Him. You can even ask Him a questions about the Scriptures and get answers from Him, but you can't ask the Scriptures questions and get answers from them. And you don't understand the difference.

This is exactly why Jesus told the Jews they search the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life instead of coming to Him so they might live. This is exactly why Isaiah told the Israelites that He had raised children but they didn't know Him. This is exactly why Jesus over and over ask the people about having ears to hear. So this is all clearly explain in the Scriptures, but if you really think reading the Scriptures is hearing from Him you need to think again. God can tell you what jobs to take, what clothes to wear, what food to by and discuss every single aspect of your life with you. The Scriptures can not discuss any aspect of your life with you. They can however give you wisdom that leads to salvation which is through faith in Jesus Christ. But you are putting you faith in the Scriptures and treating them as if they were God instead of writing from God to point you to Jesus Christ.

You think I am denying The Word of God, but it is not me that is denying the Word of God. He lives. You can talk to Him. You can hear from Him. But you need to understand that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He is alive, just like is written in the Scriptures. But you search the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life and it is those which are pointing you to Jesus Christ. You need to get to know Him. That is don't by faith. You have to believe that He is indeed available to talk to. You can have conversations with Him, but only if you believe He is the "I Am" . You have substituted the Bible for Him who lives, so you don't know Him.

So you go and have donuts while you read the Bible. My friend, while I know you don't believe it, He sometimes asks me to go to the donut shop with Him and we talk on the way there and one the way back, and He sometimes has me pull up the Scriptures on my phone app and we talk about them. If you really believed in Jesus Christ you would know of what I am saying, but if you don't hear His words you won't be able to understand what I am talking about. You'll be stuck with depending on the Bible to save you, and it can't do that. It can only give you the wisdom to seek Jesus Christ by faith, but it can't make you believe in Him.

Jesus told the Pharisees, "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

The Pharisees studied the Scriptures intently. And the Pharisees were listening to Jesus Christ in the flesh talking to them. But they could not hear His words. Why was that? It was because His words are spirit, not ink on pages nor even sound waves but rather spirit. You have to hear spiritual words with your spirit. They come across like a small voice. Sometimes if you are not listening well, or if you are being blown in the spiritual wind, they come across as an unction. If the Lord wants they may even come across loud. The Jews heard them as thunder, while Moses heard them as words. We preach "The Word of God" meaning we preach that Jesus Christ will speak to you in words. If you don't hear His words with your spiritual words start seeking and asking for Him to come into your life and talk to you. He says He stands at the door and knocks, and if anyone (which mean anyone) opens the door and lets Him in, He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. You can have donuts while you have a very personal conversation with Him, just like is recorded in the Scriptures. But if you don't believe the writings, how will you believe that you can hear His words?

Jn 6:46,47 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?

Moses wrote the Scriptures so that people might believe that Jesus could and wants to talk to them. But the Jews wound up searching the Scriptures thinking in them they had life instead of seeking the voice of the Lord. And there is nothing new under the sun.