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'The Bible tells me so' is wrong

dirtfarmer here

Jesus said in John 5:39 " Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and (but) they are they which testify of me." Scripture is word pictures of Jesus and contain no life. Our life is in Jesus Christ, the risen savior, not in the written word.
 
Douglas Summers said:
No, I'm not a visible christian in the visible church of any century. I'am a Born again Believer. The Scripture's were ascribed by the Holy Spirit of God through two Apostles (Matthew and John) and two disciples (Mark and Luke). The OT Scriptures were ascribed by Moses (Torah) and the Prophets of God. They were not random acts of taking notes. (2 Tim. 3:15-17).
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We have no evidence that Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote their Gospels. They were tags added after they were written.
 
dirtfarmer said:
dirtfarmer here

Jesus said in John 5:39 " Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and (but) they are they which testify of me." Scripture is word pictures of Jesus and contain no life. Our life is in Jesus Christ, the risen savior, not in the written word.
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But the written Word is His for us.
 
th1b.taylor said:
But the written Word is His for us.
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hello th1b.taylor, dirtfarmer here

The original manuscripts pinned by the prophets and apostles are the inspired word of God. We are told that the very words of those manuscripts were given to the writers by God. 2 Timothy 3:16. The written word is word pictures of Jesus Christ

None of the translations are inspired, but have come from copies of the inspired word. As I stated before, our salvation is not dependent on the written word, but on the living word, Jesus Christ himself.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello th1b.taylor, dirtfarmer here

The original manuscripts pinned by the prophets and apostles are the inspired word of God. We are told that the very words of those manuscripts were given to the writers by God. 2 Timothy 3:16. The written word is word pictures of Jesus Christ

None of the translations are inspired, but have come from copies of the inspired word. As I stated before, our salvation is not dependent on the written word, but on the living word, Jesus Christ himself.
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The more I study the written Word, the more the Holy Spirit in me teaches. The written Word is our assurance or our warnings of whom we follow.
 
th1b.taylor said:
The more I study the written Word, the more the Holy Spirit in me teaches. The written Word is our assurance or our warnings of whom we follow.
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hello th1lb.taylor. dirtfarmer here

What does the Holy Spirit teach you? The scripture or the one whom the scriptures are written about? The scriptures reveal Jesus Christ. I disagree that the written word is our assurance. My assurance is in Jesus Christ by faith, not my faith in written words about Jesus Christ. Who is our intercessor, the written word, or Jesus Christ that is in the presence of God the Father?

It is important that we "know" Jesus in the power of his resurrection, not know about him by scripture. Our personal relationship is with Christ, not personal relationship with scripture.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello th1lb.taylor. dirtfarmer here

What does the Holy Spirit teach you? The scripture or the one whom the scriptures are written about? The scriptures reveal Jesus Christ. I disagree that the written word is our assurance. My assurance is in Jesus Christ by faith, not my faith in written words about Jesus Christ. Who is our intercessor, the written word, or Jesus Christ that is in the presence of God the Father?

It is important that we "know" Jesus in the power of his resurrection, not know about him by scripture. Our personal relationship is with Christ, not personal relationship with scripture.
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And I said nothing to disagree. On the other hand, without the scriptures how do you know what the spirit leading you is correct?
 
th1b.taylor said:
And I said nothing to disagree. On the other hand, without the scriptures how do you know what the spirit leading you is correct?
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hello th1lb.taylor, dirtfarmer here

I didn't mean to insinuate that there was disagreement. Scripture states that the moral code is written on the hearts of man: Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves." God has given a morality, even to those that don't believe.

Romans 1:20 " For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen. being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so they are without excuse.'
 
OzSpen said:
We have no evidence that Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote their Gospels. They were tags added after they were written.
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What does that have to do with the word of God? Because YOU do not believe the Scriptures are written by the names you say are tagged. It is still the word of God. That never came between my calling and election by the Lord. The Church in the beginning were witnesses of the events Scripted. And the Letters to the Churches are written by Paul, not by people who heard and then wrote. Your post has no bearing of my fellowship with the lord and His eternal security to us who have turned to Him by faith, not faith to keep Him but faith in Him keeping us.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello th1lb.taylor, dirtfarmer here

I didn't mean to insinuate that there was disagreement. Scripture states that the moral code is written on the hearts of man: Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves." God has given a morality, even to those that don't believe.

Romans 1:20 " For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen. being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so they are without excuse.'
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Yes, true but the scriptures, God promised would not be perverted, ever, explain much on their application and are good for any man. It is not good to live without the knowledge contained there because God uses them to instruct us.
 
OzSpen said:
We have no evidence that Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote their Gospels. They were tags added after they were written.
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Oz, people will believe what they want to through. the fleshy mind. Spiritual rebirth has different understanding

  • Who Wrote the Gospels? - Radical Truth
    radicaltruth.net/.../66-who-wrote-the-gospels

    Who wrote the gospels? ... Evidence exists that the authors of the four gospels are in fact written by the men to whom they are attributed.
 
And in Duet 4:2 or 2:4, right at the end of Rev 22, and one other I have forgotten, God promised the worst plagues on anyone that will add or subtract from His Word, the Bible is true and the Bible is the listing of the standards we must hold to to serve God. It is also, until the return of Jesus, the Court of Final Arbitration.
 
th1b.taylor said:
And in Duet 4:2 or 2:4, right at the end of Rev 22, and one other I have forgotten, God promised the worst plagues on anyone that will add or subtract from His Word, the Bible is true and the Bible is the listing of the standards we must hold to to serve God. It is also, until the return of Jesus, the Court of Final Arbitration.
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hello th1b.taylor, dirtfarmer here

In post #91 I agree that knowledge contained in scripture is helpful. Let me ask this: What scriptures did Moses use?

This post. what do you do with 1 Corinthians 13:8 " Charity never faileth, but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Charity never faileth, it will always be present, even in Revelation 22. Prophecies, tongues, knowledge will not be necessary in the kingdom because Christ will be present and will been seen, therefore the only enduring quality will be charity, Love. It will never cease nor be done away with. Then we will be known as we are known:
1 Corinthians 13:12 ' For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then, face to face, now I know in part; but then shall I know even as I am known."
 
Douglas Summers said:
What does that have to do with the word of God? Because YOU do not believe the Scriptures are written by the names you say are tagged. It is still the word of God. That never came between my calling and election by the Lord. The Church in the beginning were witnesses of the events Scripted. And the Letters to the Churches are written by Paul, not by people who heard and then wrote. Your post has no bearing of my fellowship with the lord and His eternal security to us who have turned to Him by faith, not faith to keep Him but faith in Him keeping us.
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I was responding to what you wrote in #81, 'The Scripture's were ascribed by the Holy Spirit of God through two Apostles (Matthew and John) and two disciples (Mark and Luke) '.
 
Douglas Summers said:
Oz, Did you pull up the web site I gave you? I was showing you that other Bible scholars,(with credibility of resources) Do not believe what you posted me about tags. People believe what they choose to believe. I do not.
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I happen to be a researcher and I don't choose to believe what any other scholars state without an examination of and assessment of the evidence. I did read the link you gave.:halo
 
dirtfarmer said:
This post. what do you do with 1 Corinthians 13:8 " Charity never faileth, but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Charity never faileth, it will always be present, even in Revelation 22. Prophecies, tongues, knowledge will not be necessary in the kingdom because Christ will be present and will been seen, therefore the only enduring quality will be charity, Love. It will never cease nor be done away with. Then we will be known as we are known:
1 Corinthians 13:12 ' For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then, face to face, now I know in part; but then shall I know even as I am known."
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This, in the political arena is known as Flipping the Subject! In the common arena of conversation when one does this they are known as Boorish, that's not you, is it?
 
dirtfarmer said:
In post #91 I agree that knowledge contained in scripture is helpful. Let me ask this: What scriptures did Moses use?
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Until Moses was educated, it is likely none of the Hebrews knew how to write but neither you nor I are Moses of thousands of years ago. He will have used the spoken word that was passed down from God to a man and then from human mouth to Human mouth. But we all know about any story told and retold several times. Unreliable and God gave us the Book.
 
th1b.taylor said:
This, in the political arena is known as Flipping the Subject! In the common arena of conversation when one does this they are known as Boorish, that's not you, is it?
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hello th1b.taylor, dirtfarmer here

I am sorry that you think I am rude. Does word does not always mean written, it can be oral. In Deuteronomy It seems to be oral.

Acts 7:22 states the Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians.
 
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