The Body of Christ Will Endure During God's Great Wrath

[DiscipleDave]

A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (How long does the inspired by God say we reign with Jesus Christ?)

Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Believe what plain Scriptures teach. To think it is NOT a thousand years is to think contrary to what the Scriptures plainly teach.

 

[JohnDB]

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (How long does the inspired by God say we reign with Jesus Christ?)

Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Believe what plain Scriptures teach. To think it is NOT a thousand years is to think contrary to what the Scriptures plainly teach.

In Hebrew...
The difference between 1,000 years and eternity is literally a vowel point...a tiny dot.
(It could be missing and worn off)
So...
As a regular thing the terms became interchangeable.
And some people believe that God understands human norms of dealing with things like this.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Where did I ever speak of children not being caught up to Jesus when He returns

i can't recall you ever saying that, that is what i teach though.

and where is it written that the earth will be repopulated during the 1000 years Satan is bound? Nowhere in Isaiah 65 does it speak of repopulating the earth during the 1000 years as it is speaking of those who turned from God and not being a part of the New Jerusalem that God will usher down from heaven

Isaiah 65:17 is plainly and clearly talking about the New Heaven and the New Earth of Revelation 21:1

after after all the final Great White Throne judgements and this present heaven and earth are renewed again, Rev Chapter 21.

Revelation 21 talks about during the time of the New Heaven and the New Earth is when the Holy City Jerusalem will come down out of Heaven. Isaiah also talks about this same time by plainly and clearly saying:

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

And the rest of that chapter goes into details about the time of the New Heaven and New Earth, when the Holy City also comes out of Heaven in Rev 21.

Isaiah 65:20 indicates that sinners are still present during the New Heaven and the New Earth.
Isaiah 65:20-22 reveals that God is going to return the age limit to the way it was prior to the flood, if a person dies during this time at the age of 100 years old, that person will be considered a child. A person could easily live up to a thousand years old during this New Heaven and New Earth.
Isaiah 65:23 reveals these chosen are NOT the Saints which are taken up in the Rapture, that these Blessed of God, will have children. These are the 144,000.

So then Scriptures plainly teaches at the time of the New Heaven and New Earth when the Holy City Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven (Rev 21:1) there will be the Blessed of God (the 144,000) present and sinners will be present as well. These sinners are they that will have to come up year to year to worship Jesus for the Feast of Tabernacles, (Zech 14)

Salvation means to be whole mind, body and soul. Salvation comes by that of John 3:3-6 and Romans 10:9,10 as we confess we are sinners needing Gods grace.

True, But Salvation comes by ALL the Word of God, not just a few verses. One who claims to be Saved by those few verses and hates his/her brother is a murderer not fit for the Kingdom of God, according to another verse. One who claims to be Saved and does not forgive someone else, will not be forgiven of their sins, as does another verse plainly teaches. One that does not Truly Repent of a particular sin, that is to say, cease from it, also is not forgiven, One must Truly repent of a sin to be forgiven of it, correct? So All of Scriptures is needed for one to be Truly Saved, not just John 3:3-6 and Rom 10:9-10.

It is Gods grace that pardons our sin and it's Gods mercy that loves us unconditionally.

God loves us all unconditionally, even the heathens. For God desires all to be Saved, does not mean all will be saved. Know you not that it is the Mercy of God that allows an atheist to live one more day? satan would love to be able to take that person life, so to add it to his army, but it is the Mercy of God that allows that atheist yet another day to come to the TRUTH of Christ. So then Mercy and unconditional Love from God is given to EVERYONE, not just the Saved.

We are only sealed by the Holy Spirit and not saved at that time until the day of redemption, Matthew 24:13; 2Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13; 4:30, meaning when Christ returns and we are gathered to the Marriage Supper with Christ, Rev 19, and then at that moment we are saved meaning our names are found in the Lamb's book of life and we will stand before the judgement seat of Christ, 2Cor 5:10, as He opens the book of life and judges us on the works we did for Him whether they are good or bad as our rewards are given at that time.

Amen, all this is TRUE. And this happens during the Rapture

The 144,000 in Rev 14 are those men, women and children that make up the symbolic hundred and forty four thousand that have been redeemed from among men and are called virgins.

Symbolic you say? What symbolism is it then for God to choose 12,000 from this Tribe, and 12 thousand from that Tribe, and so forth, what is the Symbolism there? Everyone who does not understand who the 144,000 actually are , are indeed quick to say they are symbolic, but can't explain why they are symbolic, nor can they explain why 12,000 are sealed from each one of the 12 Tribes. Easy to say the 144,000 are symbolic, yet nobody can show Scriptures that reveal they are symbolic in any way at all. i wander if these same people who say the 144,000 are symbolic believe that God creating the earth in 6 days is also symbolic? What? Whatever we don't agree with, what Scriptures plainly says and teaches we say is symbolic.

The 144,000 are actual people, 12,000 chosen from the 12 Tribes of Israel. You are more than likely from one of those 12 Tribes if you were to trace your lineage to then. God knows what Tribe you belong to, and when He seals one of your children to be His Blessed, they will be picked according to the Tribes that they belong to.

This means those of Spiritual purity that make up the true Church or Bride of Christ and not to be equated with celibacy, Hebrews 12:22-24; James 1:18, 27; 2 Corinthians 11:2. The virgins being the firstfruits unto God and to Jesus through the Spiritual rebirth are those who have set their affection on those things from above as they have died to self and live for Christ, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; Colossians Chapter 3.

So according to you and what you are saying here, i am a virgin symbolically? ALL my affections are on Jesus Christ, i have had a spiritual rebirth, could not wipe a smile off my face for two weeks, my face hurt from smiling so much. i have died to self, i do all things to please Jesus Christ and do not knowingly and/or willingly commit any sin against Him. i live for Christ, and Him only do i live for, not my self. So what then, i am a virgin? i have been defiled with women, i am not a virgin. Even though i have been celibate for over 10 years, does not make me a virgin.
i am going to be Raptured up, i am not one of the 144,000 that will be sealed by God to be protected from the whole 7 year Tribulation Period. i am going to be taken up, i will be a Saint serving Jesus Christ, and reigning with Him.

Tell me who do you think we reign over? If the Saints are all taken up to be with Jesus. And you say there is only ONE resurrection, so that means all the wicked are thrown into the Lake of Fire, who then do we reign over for a thousand years? Oh wait, is that symbolic also because you don't believe we reign over anyone at all? Just asking.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I take it you believe in a mid-trib catching up of the saints,

i believe what God told me, and Scriptures confirms what He told me.

but I believe scripture that says the last day when Christ returns we (alive and asleep in the grave) will then be caught up to him at the ending of the seventh trumpet sounding according to John 6:38-40; 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Christ does Return at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, The church is taken up during that time. Jesus Starts His Reign on Earth at that time. Then AFTER that the 7 vials/bowel judgements take place.

Pretrib believers believe Jesus will return Before the 7 year Tribulation Period starts.
Midtrib believers believe Jesus will return During the 7 year Tribulation Period.
Posttrib believers believe Jesus will return After the 7 year Tribulation Period ends.

The 7 year Tribulation consists of the 7 Trumpets sounding, also consists of the 7 vials being poured out.

Jesus Christ does not return BEFORE the 1st Trumpet (Pretrib) (Not Scriptural)
Jesus Christ does not come after the 7th vial is poured out (Posttrib) (Not Scriptural)
Jesus Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet sounding (Midtrib)(Scriptural)

Now many believe a false doctrine that teaches the vials and the Trumpets are same events and coincide with each other. Scriptures easily proves that to be incorrect. When the 7th Trumpet is sounded is when the Temple in Heaven is opened, it is ONLY then when the Temple in Heaven is opened that the 7 angels with the 7 vials come out of that Temple that was just opened during the 7th Trumpet. NOT possible for them to be the same event or even coincide.

Rev 11:15-19 description of 7th Trumpet sounding:
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. (When was the Temple opened in Heaven, at the 7th Trumpet sounding)

Jesus Christ Raptures the Church at the 7th Trumpet, and then AFTER that 7 last plagues are poured out upon the Earth. So then Jesus Christ Returns After the beginning of Tribulation Period, and not After the plagues are poured out. Jesus Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet sounding which most certainly is in the middle of the Tribulation Period. see pic below.

This takes place after that of the beast out of the sea and out of the earth that causes many to take its mark in Rev 13

TRUE.

and after the seven vial judgements poured out on those who took the mark.

Not True. he vials are indeed poured out on those who took the mark. But Jesus already Raptures the Church at the 7th Trumpet prior to the vials being poured out. see pic.

Then the great harlot being mystery Babylon is described and then destroyed as at that timing is the last day when Christ returns and quickly makes and end of all the abominations

Scriptures teach that when Jesus gets here He will rule them with an iron rod. But above you are saying He makes and end of all the abominations. In Jerusalem for sure, but not in the world. for Jesus will make them come and worship Him from year to year. Do you not understand Zach 14?

on earth casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire, killing off the remnant that followed after them and binding Satan for a time.

Scriptures plainly teaches that satan is bound for a thousand years, and it is after that time when they are cast into the Lake of Fire.

It's when Christ returns on the last day, Rev 19, that we are caught up to Him and kept in His safety as He plants His feet on the Mt of Olives and makes an end of all evil here on earth.

But you are saying things that does not line up with Scriptures. When Jesus Returns He will utterly destroy all those nations that come against Jerusalem, but you say when He gets here He destroys all evil here on Earth, which Scriptures does not teach at all. Know you not that interpretations belong to God not to us humans? Believe Scriptures and what they plainly teach, not what men teach us. NOT even me, for i am but a man, but those things that God told me to teach, those things you should believe, they are from God and not from me.

Like I have said, I do not believe in a literal 1000 years,

So what you are saying in a round about way is that you don't believe the Word of God, is that correct? the Word of God says a thousand days, not only in one verse but many verses, all of these verses do not line up with what YOU believe, therefore those verses must be symbolic is that what you are saying?

but that when Christ returns all things will be finished very quickly

When Christ gets here at the 7th Trumpet sounding, 7 vials are still yet to be poured out on the Earth. The 7 vials are to wipe all those left behind off the face of the Earth, the 7 vials is the wrath that the Saints are not appointed for, for they are taken up prior to the vials being released on the Earth. The 7 vials being poured out does not happen quickly, they happen in a span of around 3 1/2 years, AFTER Christ sets up His Kingdom here on Earth.

but that when Christ returns all things will be finished very quickly(In a twinkling of an eye)

The Saints are changed in a twinkling of an eye, NOT Jesus finishing things very quickly.

 

[for_his_glory]

We have every right to Judge, for we shall even judge angels, But our judgements should be Righteous Judgments. Which are judgments that come from the Word of God and not from the minds of humans. Therefore we are to Judge according to Scriptures, and not judge according to what we ourselves think and believe.



True, However it is also important that we all think the same things, that we all have ONE MIND, as Scriptures teach in several different places. Therefore it is a Godly thing to try to come to ONE MIND.



What Throne is that? The Holy City Jerusalem is His Throne. Where ever that place is at, is where the Throne of God is at. Currently right now that Holy City Jerusalem is in Heaven. But as the above verse testifies When Jesus Returns to the Earth His Throne will be with HIM.



All Nations will be gathered to Him, these are they that are against Him when He Returns, read Zechariah 14.



With all those nations that come against Jesus and the city Jerusalem will also be the 144,000, and also the Remnant of Israel that shall be Saved.



This is Judgement Day, the Day of the Lord. The Righteous are taken up in the Rapture, the unrighteous are left behind. Notice it says "inherit the kingdom PREPARED for you. This lines up with the words of Jesus which said "I go to prepare a place for you:

Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

2,000 years ago He left Earth to go to Heaven to prepare a place for each Saint in His Fathers House, When Jesus Returns, that place will be with Him, the Throne of God will be here on Earth, and that place is where Jesus is at. And Scriptures teach we will be where He is at.



This is absolutely True, ALL dead shall hear His voice. But even as Jesus said "I will destroy this Temple and rebuild it in three days" knowing full well they did not understand what He was saying, did not correct them in their error in thinking. The hour is coming that all dead will hear His voice. However what He did not explain is that those are actually two different times. The Resurrection of Life happens during the first judgment, the Rapture, the Day of the Lord. All the dead Saints will hear His voice. The second Judgment, the Great White Throne Judgment all the rest will hear His voice. What the Apostle John said above is absolutely TRUE, the hour is coming that ALL shall hear His voice, he does not reveal that it is one specific day or one specific hour.



Again two different Judgments. At the 7th Trumpet:

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This first Judgment Day is the Day of the Lord, the Rapture. The Saints are Judged, the dead Saints are judged and are given rewards. Those who are left behind will indeed be destroyed during the next 3 1/2 years after Jesus Returns and starts His reign on Earth. So ALL will appear before the Lord Jesus Christ to be judged. This takes place at two different times with two different Judgment Days. The first Judgment Day is the Rapture, where Jesus judges all people of the Earth, those who are written in the Book of Life are taken to be with Him where He is (Holy City) Those who are not written in the Book of Life are judged not worthy and remain, left behind. The Second Judgment Day is that all wicked shall stand before God, satan and demons too, and they will be judged and judgment given, and they will be sentenced to the Lake of Fire, this is the Great White Throne Judgment.



lol, see above.



Jesus Returns at the 7th trumpet sounding, and Raptures the Dead at this time, He raptures all those that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the Word of God, and did not worship the Beast or his image nor took their mark, these are Raptured up and are with Jesus before the Throne of God and the Thrones of the 24 elders, in the Holy City Jerusalem. The first resurrection is the Rapture. The second resurrection is after satan is released a thousand years later.

I meant I was not judging you personally for what you believe, but that some of it is very different then what I have studied in scripture.

We can both say the Holy Spirit is teaching us, but I would say it has to do with how we are taught as some believe everything that comes out of the pulpit of their church (not directed at you) and others dig deeper into the word and learn to Spiritually discern what is being taught to them, 1 John 2:20-27; 1 John 4:1-6. I have no idea of who teaches you or how long you have been studying, but yet we seem to disagree on some points and agree on others. All we can do is share what we believe to be truth and study the scriptures that are given.

The throne of His glory will be when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever, Rev 11:14-18.

Matthew 25:32 is that of the harvest judgment in Rev 14 as this is not yet that of Zecharian 14, but of the harvest judgement right before the vial judgements where those who are still alive and in Christ are separated from those who have taken the mrk and rejected Him. Those who are in Christ will be guarded from the vial judgements falling on them.

Zechariah 14:1, 2; Luke 21:20 and Rev 16:16 is the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return in Rev 19:19. Christ will destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Rev 19:17-19 the remnant being all the world leaders and their armies that come to fight against Christ in Jerusalem when He returns will also be destroyed by the words that proceed out of the mouth of Christ.
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I believe everything will come quickly once Jesus returns with His army in Rev 19 as scripture calls it the last day, John 6:40, as at that time the events of John 5:28, 29 will happen, Satan will be bound and let loose for a time. I do not believe in a literal 1000 years, but only symbolic in it's numbering like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. Satan then gathers his army to surround the camp where Gods children are kept, but then his army is devoured by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes the two separate judgements occurring at the same time and the books are opened including the Lamb's Book of Life, 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 20:11-15

There is only one resurrection. Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death as those still in their graves that are none of His have heard His call and are raised to stand before God at the Great White throne judgment. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection, Rev 20:11-15.

 

[for_his_glory]

i believe what God told me, and Scriptures confirms what He told me.



Christ does Return at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, The church is taken up during that time. Jesus Starts His Reign on Earth at that time. Then AFTER that the 7 vials/bowel judgements take place.

Pretrib believers believe Jesus will return Before the 7 year Tribulation Period starts.
Midtrib believers believe Jesus will return During the 7 year Tribulation Period.
Posttrib believers believe Jesus will return After the 7 year Tribulation Period ends.

The 7 year Tribulation consists of the 7 Trumpets sounding, also consists of the 7 vials being poured out.

Jesus Christ does not return BEFORE the 1st Trumpet (Pretrib) (Not Scriptural)
Jesus Christ does not come after the 7th vial is poured out (Posttrib) (Not Scriptural)
Jesus Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet sounding (Midtrib)(Scriptural)

Now many believe a false doctrine that teaches the vials and the Trumpets are same events and coincide with each other. Scriptures easily proves that to be incorrect. When the 7th Trumpet is sounded is when the Temple in Heaven is opened, it is ONLY then when the Temple in Heaven is opened that the 7 angels with the 7 vials come out of that Temple that was just opened during the 7th Trumpet. NOT possible for them to be the same event or even coincide.

Rev 11:15-19 description of 7th Trumpet sounding:
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. (When was the Temple opened in Heaven, at the 7th Trumpet sounding)

Jesus Christ Raptures the Church at the 7th Trumpet, and then AFTER that 7 last plagues are poured out upon the Earth. So then Jesus Christ Returns After the beginning of Tribulation Period, and not After the plagues are poured out. Jesus Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet sounding which most certainly is in the middle of the Tribulation Period. see pic below.



TRUE.



Not True. he vials are indeed poured out on those who took the mark. But Jesus already Raptures the Church at the 7th Trumpet prior to the vials being poured out. see pic.



Scriptures teach that when Jesus gets here He will rule them with an iron rod. But above you are saying He makes and end of all the abominations. In Jerusalem for sure, but not in the world. for Jesus will make them come and worship Him from year to year. Do you not understand Zach 14?



Scriptures plainly teaches that satan is bound for a thousand years, and it is after that time when they are cast into the Lake of Fire.



But you are saying things that does not line up with Scriptures. When Jesus Returns He will utterly destroy all those nations that come against Jerusalem, but you say when He gets here He destroys all evil here on Earth, which Scriptures does not teach at all. Know you not that interpretations belong to God not to us humans? Believe Scriptures and what they plainly teach, not what men teach us. NOT even me, for i am but a man, but those things that God told me to teach, those things you should believe, they are from God and not from me.



So what you are saying in a round about way is that you don't believe the Word of God, is that correct? the Word of God says a thousand days, not only in one verse but many verses, all of these verses do not line up with what YOU believe, therefore those verses must be symbolic is that what you are saying?



When Christ gets here at the 7th Trumpet sounding, 7 vials are still yet to be poured out on the Earth. The 7 vials are to wipe all those left behind off the face of the Earth, the 7 vials is the wrath that the Saints are not appointed for, for they are taken up prior to the vials being released on the Earth. The 7 vials being poured out does not happen quickly, they happen in a span of around 3 1/2 years, AFTER Christ sets up His Kingdom here on Earth.

The Saints are changed in a twinkling of an eye, NOT Jesus finishing things very quickly.

What website did you copy this chart from? I'd like to go view it. Thank you.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I meant I was not judging you personally for what you believe, but that some of it is very different then what I have studied in scripture.

We can both say the Holy Spirit is teaching us, but I would say it has to do with how we are taught as some believe everything that comes out of the pulpit of their church (not directed at you) and others dig deeper into the word and learn to Spiritually discern what is being taught to them, 1 John 2:20-27; 1 John 4:1-6.

This is True, However there is yet another way also. God reveals His secrets to His prophets:

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

What i teach and what the Timeline chart reveals is directly related to what God told me in conversations that i have had with Him from age 12 to 26 years of age, NOT what the Holy Ghost has revealed to me, NOT what men have taught me behind the pulpits or anywhere for that matter, NOT what i have gathered this information based on my own studies, my own interpretations, my own beliefs. What i teach is what God told me to teach to a generation who would not hear it, He said.

I have no idea of who teaches you or how long you have been studying,

As to who teaches me, see above. As to how long i have been studying, Before the age of 12 i read the entire Bible front to back 3 times. Before the age of 50 i have read/heard the entire Bible front to back over 80 times. If you want to see the result of those things God has told me, then visit Discipledave.com

but yet we seem to disagree on some points and agree on others. All we can do is share what we believe to be truth and study the scriptures that are given.

That is a very Berean way to look at it. God Bless You.

Now if you disagree with anything that is in the timeline, then i would most certainly love to see any Scripture that contradicts what is in the timeline. However what i usually get, is peoples interpretations, peoples beliefs, peoples opinions that contradicts what is in the timeline and not Scriptures. Therefore not interested in a persons personal belief or opinions that contradicts what is in the timeline, but interested in any Scriptures that contradict the timeline.

The throne of His glory will be when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever, Rev 11:14-18.

Matthew 25:32 is that of the harvest judgment in Rev 14 as this is not yet that of Zecharian 14, but of the harvest judgement right before the vial judgements where those who are still alive and in Christ are separated from those who have taken the mrk and rejected Him. Those who are in Christ will be guarded from the vial judgements falling on them.

Those who are in Christ will be Raptured at the 7th Trumpet, which takes place prior to the vial judgments being poured out. The 144,000 children who were not taken up in the Rapture, because they know not Jesus Christ, and therefore NOT SAVED, are they that are sealed by God and protected from the vial judgements.

Zechariah 14:1, 2; Luke 21:20 and Rev 16:16 is the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return in Rev 19:19. Christ will destroy the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Rev 19:17-19 the remnant being all the world leaders and their armies that come to fight against Christ in Jerusalem when He returns will also be destroyed by the words that proceed out of the mouth of Christ.

Amen, all this takes place at the 7th trumpet when Christ Returns to the Earth and sets up His Kingdom.
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I believe everything will come quickly once Jesus returns with His army in Rev 19 as scripture calls it the last day, John 6:40, as at that time the events of John 5:28, 29 will happen, Satan will be bound and let loose for a time. I do not believe in a literal 1000 years, but only symbolic in it's numbering

And which of the immediate Scriptures led you to think it is symbolic? There is absolutely nothing that would lead a person to think or believe that it is symbolic via the Scriptures that mentions the 1,000 years. Several different places specifically mention this 1,000 year period, NONE of them speak as if it were symbolic, but speak as they are literal. So then the question is : If Scriptures does not indicate or reveal that they are symbolic, how are YOU saying you think they are symbolic? What Scriptures leads you to believe they are symbolic? Or are they symbolic so as to not mess up what you believe to be True concerning end time events? Would it not be wiser to change your belief to line up with Scripture, than to change Scriptures to line up with your belief? It seems to me, since the 1000 years does not fit into your belief, all those verses which speak of the 1,000 years must be symbolic right? Tell me, if they are, as you say, symbolic, then what does the 1,000 years symbolize?

I believe everything will come quickly once Jesus returns with His army in Rev 19 as scripture calls it the last day, John 6:40, as at that time the events of John 5:28, 29 will happen, Satan will be bound and let loose for a time. I do not believe in a literal 1000 years, but only symbolic in it's numbering like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. Satan then gathers his army to surround the camp where Gods children are kept, but then his army is devoured by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire.

During that time when Christ Returns to the Earth to set up His Kingdom at the 7th Trumpet sounding. Satan is not cast into the lake of fire, only the antichrist and Beast are cast into the lake of fire at that time. satan is not cast into the Lake of Fire untill the 1,000 years are over and he is released from the Abyss, NOT the Lake of Fire.

During the 7th Trumpet sounding Nations (humans) come against Jerusalem, then Christ Returns. After the 1,000 years and satan is released satan (and demons and wicked dead) come against Jerusalem.

Then comes the two separate judgements occurring at the same time and the books are opened including the Lamb's Book of Life, 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 20:11-15

There is only one resurrection. Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection,

Then it is evident we disagree in understanding of the following verse:

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In that it says First, plainly and clearly indicates there is another, else it would not have said FIRST Resurrection.

Scriptures plainly indicates that Jesus was Resurrected. Scriptures plainly indicates that the dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Scriptures plainly indicates that the living Saints will be Resurrected after that. Scriptures in Ezekiel 37 indicates yet another resurrection of dead in the Valley of dry bones.

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jesus said that resurrection they are as the Angels of God in Heaven. So that resurrection is definitely not that same resurrection of Ezekiel 37

The following verse PROVES there are more than one Resurrection:

Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; (1) and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (2)

Do you believe the Word of God? This inspired by God verse clearly and plainly teaches TWO resurrections. Blessed is he/she that take part in the FIRST resurrection. Which the Resurrection of Life indeed happens first at the Rapture, when all the Saints are resurrected and receive our Glorified bodies like that of angels. Over a thousand years later when satan and demons are all released and there is another battle for the Holy City, this is when the Resurrection of Damnation will happen.

There is only one resurrection. Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection,John 5:28, 29 and a second death as those still in their graves that are none of His have heard His call and are raised to stand before God at the Great White throne judgment. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection, Rev 20:11-15.

Sorry, i will continue to believe Scriptures which plainly teach it is a thousand years, and there are two separate Resurrections. Should we not believe Scriptures and not men? Don't you also teach that?

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[DiscipleDave]

What website did you copy this chart from? I'd like to go view it. Thank you.

i made the chart, according to those things God told me is going to happen. The website i put it on has been running since 1994. Go to Discipledave.com third column, bottom, click on End Timeline

 

[for_his_glory]

This is True, However there is yet another way also. God reveals His secrets to His prophets:

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

What i teach and what the Timeline chart reveals is directly related to what God told me in conversations that i have had with Him from age 12 to 26 years of age, NOT what the Holy Ghost has revealed to me, NOT what men have taught me behind the pulpits or anywhere for that matter, NOT what i have gathered this information based on my own studies, my own interpretations, my own beliefs. What i teach is what God told me to teach to a generation who would not hear it, He said.



As to who teaches me, see above. As to how long i have been studying, Before the age of 12 i read the entire Bible front to back 3 times. Before the age of 50 i have read/heard the entire Bible front to back over 80 times. If you want to see the result of those things God has told me, then visit Discipledave.com



That is a very Berean way to look at it. God Bless You.

Now if you disagree with anything that is in the timeline, then i would most certainly love to see any Scripture that contradicts what is in the timeline. However what i usually get, is peoples interpretations, peoples beliefs, peoples opinions that contradicts what is in the timeline and not Scriptures. Therefore not interested in a persons personal belief or opinions that contradicts what is in the timeline, but interested in any Scriptures that contradict the timeline.



Those who are in Christ will be Raptured at the 7th Trumpet, which takes place prior to the vial judgments being poured out. The 144,000 children who were not taken up in the Rapture, because they know not Jesus Christ, and therefore NOT SAVED, are they that are sealed by God and protected from the vial judgements.



Amen, all this takes place at the 7th trumpet when Christ Returns to the Earth and sets up His Kingdom.
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And which of the immediate Scriptures led you to think it is symbolic? There is absolutely nothing that would lead a person to think or believe that it is symbolic via the Scriptures that mentions the 1,000 years. Several different places specifically mention this 1,000 year period, NONE of them speak as if it were symbolic, but speak as they are literal. So then the question is : If Scriptures does not indicate or reveal that they are symbolic, how are YOU saying you think they are symbolic? What Scriptures leads you to believe they are symbolic? Or are they symbolic so as to not mess up what you believe to be True concerning end time events? Would it not be wiser to change your belief to line up with Scripture, than to change Scriptures to line up with your belief? It seems to me, since the 1000 years does not fit into your belief, all those verses which speak of the 1,000 years must be symbolic right? Tell me, if they are, as you say, symbolic, then what does the 1,000 years symbolize?



During that time when Christ Returns to the Earth to set up His Kingdom at the 7th Trumpet sounding. Satan is not cast into the lake of fire, only the antichrist and Beast are cast into the lake of fire at that time. satan is not cast into the Lake of Fire untill the 1,000 years are over and he is released from the Abyss, NOT the Lake of Fire.

During the 7th Trumpet sounding Nations (humans) come against Jerusalem, then Christ Returns. After the 1,000 years and satan is released satan (and demons and wicked dead) come against Jerusalem.

Then comes the two separate judgements occurring at the same time and the books are opened including the Lamb's Book of Life, 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 20:11-15



Then it is evident we disagree in understanding of the following verse:

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In that it says First, plainly and clearly indicates there is another, else it would not have said FIRST Resurrection.

Scriptures plainly indicates that Jesus was Resurrected. Scriptures plainly indicates that the dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Scriptures plainly indicates that the living Saints will be Resurrected after that. Scriptures in Ezekiel 37 indicates yet another resurrection of dead in the Valley of dry bones.

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jesus said that resurrection they are as the Angels of God in Heaven. So that resurrection is definitely not that same resurrection of Ezekiel 37

The following verse PROVES there are more than one Resurrection:

Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; (1) and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (2)

Do you believe the Word of God? This inspired by God verse clearly and plainly teaches TWO resurrections. Blessed is he/she that take part in the FIRST resurrection. Which the Resurrection of Life indeed happens first at the Rapture, when all the Saints are resurrected and receive our Glorified bodies like that of angels. Over a thousand years later when satan and demons are all released and there is another battle for the Holy City, this is when the Resurrection of Damnation will happen.



Sorry, i will continue to believe Scriptures which plainly teach it is a thousand years, and there are two separate Resurrections. Should we not believe Scriptures and not men? Don't you also teach that?

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I have to reply to this in two separate post.

There are no secrets that God has not revealed to us by those Prophets of the OT. There are no modern day prophets receiving secret things as all has already been written.

Did you make this timeline chart yourself or copy and paste it from a website?

Sorry, but it's only through the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things, John 14:26, and what He speaks is that of Gods words just as Jesus only spoke that of what God gave Him to speak, John 12:44-50. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and even we who are in Christ and He in us, John 15:5, are never given anymore than what God gave as it is already written.

It truly does not matter how many times one reads the Bible, but that of what you learn from that which is already written. God does not tell anyone anything more than what He already gave to the Prophets in the OT and gave to Jesus in the NT. There is no private interpretation of scripture, 2 Peter 1:20,21.

Charts to me are confusing especially when they contain no scripture. Timeline comes straight from scripture without a chart as I showed in post #29. Daniel 9:27 the 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the spiritual city right to the cross where the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes back in the air to call his Bride home and for the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all who would not believe.

Everything from the sounding of the seventh trumpet in Rev 11:15 includes all the events of the rest of the chapters again as I explained in post #29 as even the vial judgements come in order of events. There is no mid-rapture as Christ returns on the last day, John 6:40, and then we are all caught up to Him as He makes and end of all amoninations casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire and binding Satan for a time, Rev 19. There are no second chances after Christ returns as the 144,000 will be preaching the Gospel during the time of God's great wrath before Christ returns.

As for the 1000 year period there is no other scripture that speaks of this timing other than Rev 19. To me I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written, which I believe is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire. Why would God wait a thousand years for His final judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?

 

[for_his_glory]

I never said Satan was cast into the lake of fire at the same time the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire. He is only bound for a time during the last day when Christ returns, John 6:40. The last day includes the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire, the remnant slain by the words of Christ, Satan being bound then set loose to gather his army to battle against the camp of the saints, the army is consumed by fire coming down from heaven then Satan is cast into the lake of fire then comes the great white throne judgment. This all takes place on the last day being Gods timing.

John 5:28, 29 there is only one resurrection. John 5:27, 29;
Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4; Rev 20:11 when I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the judgement seat of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of the lake of fire. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

 

[for_his_glory]

i made the chart, according to those things God told me is going to happen. The website i put it on has been running since 1994. Go to Discipledave.com third column, bottom, click on End Timeline

God told everyone who reads the Bible the events that will take place in the end of days as there is no private interpretation of what is already written. How can one trust your chart when there is no scripture given with the events.

 

[for_his_glory]

lol private interpretation is what you and i interpret scriptures to mean, that is private interpretation. If God tells me something, how is that my private interpretation? It's not, it is from God and not from me. It seems you are not understanding what that verse means. private interpration is what YOU seem to do quite a bit. YOU interpret this verse to mean this, and that verse to mean that, do you not do that? Do you not privately interpret the two witness of Rev 11 to be the Word of God and the Holy Ghost, because YOU interpret this verse to reference with that verse and then come up with that interpretation, How is that not YOUR private interpretation. What i teach is what God told me, yet you seem to think it is my private interpretation, it's as if you are not hearing me, even though you have ears to hear, when i say, God told me. You seem to think when i say God told me this or that, that it is my private interpration. Are you not hearing what i am saying? IF God told me "This", than i tell you "This", it is not from me, but from God, it is not my private interpretation, but is what God told me. How are you not understanding that?

I'm speaking about the OT Prophets who have already given us the prophecies God gave them as there are no more than what God already gave. I believe in 1 Corinthians 12:28 that the word prophet there is that of a Pastor that leads the flock like that of Christ who is our Shepard and we His flock.

Nothing is of my own opinion, but that of what I believe to be truth from what and how I study. If it's my own opinion I alwas say it is and I am also opened for correction when needed and I find no correction from you other than you thinking you are more superior than anyone else and if we do not agree with you we are nothing more than ignorant and what we believe is hogwash.

So you can read fluent Hebrew and Greek, good for you as many of us can only read English, but yet use the Hebrew and Greek concordance for the definition of certain words. I couldn't even count the hours I have spent in the word for the last forty years as I study for at least eight hours a day myself and will never exhaust all the teachings from Genesis to Revelation.

I have never asked anyone to agree with what I teach, but to search the scripture for themselves and pray and ask the Holy Spirit teach them. I'm not perfect, but it is the Holy Spirit and not man that corrects me when I error. I judge you not for what you believe as you, as well as me, already have a judge seated on His throne that judges all we do and say.

By all means you continue to believe God gives you that of what is not already written, but I will believe what already is written. If we do not agree so be it as it doesn't make us any less a Spiritually born again child of God, it only means we disagree, but yet need to walk in love not condemnation towards one another. These forums are for discussing our faith and what we believe to be truth.

 

[for_his_glory]

By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation falling around us, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus as He will provide for us so we can endure until the coming of the Lord and be His witnesses as a faithful servant during the time of Gods great wrath being poured out into the world in hopes many will finally hear the Gospel and turn back to His grace.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is showing us to look for the signs of his coming

Rev 5:13; 6:16,17 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were and we are in the midst of the seven seals right now heading towards the seven trumpets

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation; fulfillment of the gentiles

Rev 8:13 Three woes are war, earthquakes, and meteors

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about Papal Rome (not Catholics) ruling the world again as a one world government. 666 represents action of the hands and thoughts of the mind

Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. We can only repent through Gods Spirit and if that Spirit dwells in the hearts of the believers then who would be left for anyone to repent if they wanted to if we were already gone

Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation of Papal Rome’s rule (not Catholics). This is Gods rapture of his bride or as scripture calls it being caught up to meet Jesus in the air

Rev 19:7,8 We have made ourselves ready by enduring great tribulations, even to death; we had to go through before the end of days

Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until Jesus came back in the clouds for us

Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth

 

[JohnDB]

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