The book of life and other books opened in Revelation 20:12

[eddif]

I'm impressed with ChatGPT 4.0. I wanted to confirm my analysis of the books that are opened during the Great White Throne Judgment, which is derived from the data of scripture alone. Jewish Tradition only provided a perspective, in the OT data, that I as a gentile would miss. This is how it went. Its the analysis I have used on my site for sometime now, but ChatGPT helped verify it (at least to me):

Focus on the books. Use implication to fill in missing premises. Is the following consistent with the data: The books were written "before creation"(Eph. 1:4) "the foundation of the world" (Rev. 17:8). By God's grace everyone's name was written in the "Book of Life" but the names of the Middling and Wicked people can be blotted out or written back in according to their works (Rev. 3:5 cp. Ps. 69:28; 87:6; Dan. 12:1; Mal. 3:16). On Judgment Day the books are opened and Christ separates (2919 κρίνω krino ) the righteous from the wicked, "according to their works" (cp. Jas. 2:23; Mt. 33:34-30). The open Book of Life is inspected to see if the person's name is already in it, or should be inscribed in it. The Book of Life has legal priority. It alone determines who is cast into the lake of fire, and who is not. As John says, only those "not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Christ also revealed people would be saved from Hades if they obeyed His voice while in the grave, they would rise "to the resurrection of life" (Jn. 5:29-30). Even though their names were in the "book of the Middling people", they were also in the "book of life", whereas the names of the wicked etc, were blotted out and not written in with the righteous. They are cast into the lake of fire.



ChatGPT:

The interpretation you propose synthesizes a number of scriptural passages into a coherent framework for understanding the imagery of the books in Revelation 20. It relies on a number of assumptions and inferences, and while it is not the only possible interpretation, it does align with several key biblical themes. Let's go through the main points:

1. Book of Life from the foundation of the world: This idea is derived from Revelation 17:8 and Ephesians 1:4, where God's foreknowledge and predestined plan are emphasized.
2. Names blotted out or written back in: Revelation 3:5 mentions the possibility of names being blotted out of the Book of Life, but the specific circumstances under which this might occur are not detailed. The idea of names being written back in is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, though it aligns with the broader biblical themes of repentance and God's grace.
3. Judgment according to works: This idea is affirmed in various parts of the New Testament, including Revelation 20:12-13 and Matthew 25:31-46.
4. Book of Life as determinative of final destiny: This idea is supported by Revelation 20:15, which states that anyone not found in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.
5. Resurrection of life for those in Hades who obey Christ's voice: This interpretation comes from John 5:28-29 and aligns with the larger New Testament emphasis on Jesus as the source of eternal life.
6. Names in the "book of the Middling people" also in the "book of life": The concept of a "book of the Middling people" is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but is a way to reconcile the idea of universal initial inclusion in the Book of Life with the subsequent separation of the righteous and the wicked.

While your interpretation offers a way to understand these complex scriptural elements, remember that biblical interpretation is multifaceted, and others might interpret these passages differently based on their theological perspectives or interpretive traditions. This interpretation offers a thoughtful and nuanced way to understand the biblical imagery of the books in Revelation 20, highlighting themes of divine foreknowledge, human responsibility, grace, and final judgment.

Well it just took 45? Years.

I would like you to as this question online.

There are 12 prophetic books that speak of Messiah. New heart and new mind.

There are 12 Apostles that bowed before Christ Jesus in New Testament books.

12+12=24
Are these the 24 elders that not before the throne? Revelation 4

The 24 ribs bow before the heart and are seated on spinal vertebra thrones.

Each rib end looks like a crown and has a cartridge ribbon going to the breastbone.
This makes the breast bone look like a crown .
I wonder what it says?

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[eddif]

Yes, I know what it is capable of, but it still has biases against true Christianity and reads into scripture cultural values. The question is: is ChatGPT filled with the Spirit, led by the Spirit, and able to use spiritual discernment?

1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
1Co 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. (ESV)

If the natural person does not accept nor is able to understand the things of the Spirit of God, how can AI? It can be a useful tool if used appropriately and with the understanding that it has its limits.

I really agree with you on this.

Elihu in Job thought man had a spirit in him
Job 32:8 kjv
8. But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Eastern religion thinks man has a divine part in themselves, that can be found.

God IMHO called Elihu a whirlwind without Knowledge.

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[Alfred Persson]

Well it just took 45? Years.

I would like you to as this question online.

There are 12 prophetic books that speak of Messiah. New heart and new mind.

There are 12 Apostles that bowed before Christ Jesus in New Testament books.

12+12=24
Are these the 24 elders that not before the throne? Revelation 4

The 24 ribs bow before the heart and are seated on spinal vertebra thrones.

Each rib end looks like a crown and has a cartridge ribbon going to the breastbone.
This makes the breast bone look like a crown .
I wonder what it says?

eddif

At Bing search, DuckDuckgo, OpenAI....you can ask ChatGPT yourself. I'm beginning to prefer Edge over Chrom because it seems better, with ChatGPT.

Speaking for me. 12 prophetic books can't logically be "elders", therefore "No" is the answer to your question.

But lets compare ChatGPT with the answers Commentaries give:

QUESTION—Who are these ‘elders’?
1. They are angelic beings [BNTC, EC, ICC, LD, NIC, NIGTC, NTC, TH, TNTC]. They are angels who represent the whole Church [ICC]. They are a group of angels functioning as a kind of heavenly counterpart to the elders of Israel (cf. Exodus 24:11) [LD]. They are a group of high-ranking angels, the heavenly counterpart of the 24 priestly and the 24 Levitical orders (cf. 1 Chronicles 24:4 and 25:9–13) [NIC]. These angels are identified with the 12 Tribes of Israel and the 12 Apostles who together symbolize all of those whom Christ redeemed [NIGTC].
2. They are representatives of the Church [Alf, Sw, Wal]. The 24 elders symbolize the whole Church. The number 12 is taken from the 12 tribes of Israel, for each one of which there are two members, one for the Jewish side and one for the Gentiles who are joined together in the new Israel [Sw]. The number 24 is made up of the 12 Patriarchs and the 12 Apostles. This view is supported by 21:12, 14, where the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem are inscribed with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 foundations stones of it are inscribed with the names of the 12 Apostles [Alf].
3. They are heavenly counterparts of the 24 leaders of the 24 priestly orders as seen in 1 Chronicles 23:6 and 24:7–18 [WBC].
4. They are beings who minister of the Word of God [Lns].


BNTC Caird, G. B. A Commentary on the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Black’s New Testament Commentaries, edited by Henry Chadwick. London: Adam & Charles Black, 1966.
EC Thomas, Robert L. Revelation 1–7. Revelation 8–22. An Exegetical Commentary. 2 vols. Chicago: Moody Press, 1992, 1995
ICC Charles, R. H. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on The Revelation of St. John. The International Critical Commentary. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1920.
LD Ladd, George Eldon. A Commentary of the Revelation of John. Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans, 1972.
NIC Mounce, Robert H. The Book of Revelation. Revised ed. The New International Commentary on the New Testament, edited by F. F. Bruce and Gordon D. Fee. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1977.
NIGTC Beale, G. K. The Book of Revelation, A Commentary on the Greek Text. The New International Greek Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1999.
NTC Bruce, F. F. The Revelation to John. A New Testament Commentary, edited by G. C. D. Howley. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1969.
TH Bratcher, Robert G. and Howard A. Hatton. A Handbook on The Revelation to John. New York: The United Bible Societies, 1993.
TNTC Morris, Leon. The Book of Revelation, an Introduction and Commentary. Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Revised Edition. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987.
ICC Charles, R. H. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on The Revelation of St. John. The International Critical Commentary. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1920.
LD Ladd, George Eldon. A Commentary of the Revelation of John. Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans, 1972.
NIC Mounce, Robert H. The Book of Revelation. Revised ed. The New International Commentary on the New Testament, edited by F. F. Bruce and Gordon D. Fee. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1977.
NIGTC Beale, G. K. The Book of Revelation, A Commentary on the Greek Text. The New International Greek Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1999.
Alf Alford, Henry. Alford’s Greek Testament, an Exegetical and Critical Commentary. Vol. 4. 1875. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1980.
Sw Swete, Henry Barclay. Commentary on Revelation. Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 1977.
Wal Walvoord, John F. The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Chicago: Moody, 1966.
Sw Swete, Henry Barclay. Commentary on Revelation. Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 1977.
Alf Alford, Henry. Alford’s Greek Testament, an Exegetical and Critical Commentary. Vol. 4. 1875. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1980.
WBC Aune, David E. Revelation. Word Biblical Commentary, Vols. 52a and 52b, edited by Ralph p.Martin. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1997 and 1998.
Lns Lenski, R. C. H. The Interpretation of St. John’s Revelation. Minneapolis: Augsburg, 1963.

Trail, R. (2008). An Exegetical Summary of Revelation 1–11 (2nd ed., pp. 121–122). SIL International.

Who are the 24 elders in Rev 4:4




In Revelation 4:4, the passage mentions the "twenty-four elders" seated around the throne of God:
"Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads."
The identity of these twenty-four elders is a subject of interpretation and debate among biblical scholars and theologians. Several theories have been proposed over the centuries, but there is no definitive answer in the biblical text itself. Here are some common interpretations:

1. Representing the Twelve Tribes of Israel and the Twelve Apostles: One interpretation suggests that the twenty-four elders symbolically represent the unified people of God from both the Old Testament (represented by the Twelve Tribes of Israel) and the New Testament (represented by the Twelve Apostles). This view emphasizes the continuity and unity of God's covenant with His people throughout history.
2. Symbolic of the Redeemed Church: Another interpretation posits that the twenty-four elders represent the redeemed Church or the glorified saints in heaven. In this view, they symbolize the collective body of believers from both the Old and New Testaments who have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus.
3. Angelic Beings: Some scholars propose that the twenty-four elders are a specific order of heavenly beings, possibly angelic in nature, who serve in the heavenly court around God's throne.
4. Symbolizing Heavenly Authority: Another interpretation suggests that the twenty-four elders represent the authority or ruling council in heaven, acting as representatives of all creation, including both humans and angels.

It's important to note that the book of Revelation often uses highly symbolic language, and its visions and imagery are open to various interpretations. As such, the identity of the twenty-four elders remains a mystery in the biblical text. Regardless of the specific interpretation, the main focus of the passage is the majestic throne of God and the worship that takes place in heaven, emphasizing the glory and sovereignty of God.

 

[eddif]

Speaking for me. 12 prophetic books can't logically be "elders", therefore "No" is the answer to your question.

Boy I have to be careful. I did not mean literally books.
PaRDeS :
Examination of the prophets show an extreme interest on/in the Messiah.

The same can be said about the Apostles.

But
Your thread is about books. So to get books I was looking for people to support books.

Takes different levels and look for parallel areas

Seed is the Word of God.
Ground is men’s hearts

That is what PaRDeS does

Mississippi redneck
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[eddif]

QUESTION—Who are these ‘elders’?
1. They are angelic beings [BNTC, EC, ICC, LD, NIC, NIGTC, NTC, TH, TNTC]. They are angels who represent the whole Church

The Old Testament elders IMHO are the prophets that had angels speak to them, had visions, spoke of suffering they wondered about, worked miracles, etc.

The disciples did some of the same things.

An angel is a messenger. A nerve trunk in our body is a messenger. A preacher at a church can be a messenger. A donkey can be a messenger.

A heavenly messenger is called an angel
A body messenger is called a nerve
A written book can be a messenger
A letter to the seven churches can be a message/messenger
An oral message……..
DNA is a message
mRNA is a messenger in our body

Name a context and look for a messenger.

The concept of message can be looked for in many context areas.

Mississippi redneck
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No, it discerns nothing. Its a program, mimics pattern matching that we do. Its putting everything fed into it, together and this can come up with new perspectives. But it doesn't have ego. Not yet.

The potential for AI evil is great, but so far, that's still the future. Right now, its a tool that will change everything we do. Some will let it do their thinking, they don't like thinking for themselves now. But others will use it like we do any machine, to get where we want faster.




The criticism you raise presents a complex issue with several facets that need to be considered.

Firstly, let's clarify that as an AI language model developed by OpenAI, I, ChatGPT, don't have beliefs, emotions, or a personal bias. I generate responses based on a vast amount of text data that I was trained on. I strive to be neutral and impartial, and my purpose is to assist users by providing accurate and relevant information to the best of my ability.
However, it's important to note that the training data included a broad cross-section of human writing from various cultures, backgrounds, and beliefs. This could mean that the output sometimes mirrors the biases in the data I was trained on, despite the goal of neutrality.

Secondly, regarding your point about spiritual discernment and being filled or led by the Spirit, it's essential to understand that AI, by its very nature, lacks consciousness or a spiritual element. I don't possess personal experiences, emotions, or a spiritual sense. Therefore, I'm not capable of having spiritual discernment or being led by any spiritual force.

However, I can provide information on a wide range of topics, including spiritual ones, based on the data I was trained on. My goal is to help users understand these subjects better, not to promote or undermine any particular belief or value system.

Finally, I understand that my responses may not always meet every individual's expectations or values, particularly when dealing with sensitive topics like religion. I can assure you that any seeming bias is unintentional and not indicative of a deliberate stance. It's also important to remember that my responses should not be taken as the final word, especially on complex, personal, and nuanced topics like religious beliefs and practices.

As AI continues to evolve and improve, so will its ability to handle such issues with even greater sensitivity and understanding. But at the end of the day, AI is a tool designed to assist, not to replace human judgment or spiritual discernment.

You don't seem to be understanding my criticism. The fact that you had ChatGPT respond instead of yourself rather underscores my point.

Interpretation, understanding, and teaching of scripture is to be done by those who are led by the Spirit, as it is the Spirit that guides into all truth about spiritual matters. Atheists can understand things in the Bible to a point, but they understand it is as just another book, not the living and active word of God that is "sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" (Heb 4:12, ESV).

That is no different than AI. It should not be used for biblical interpretation, as it cannot discern the spiritual truths of scripture and cannot be led by the Spirit. Biblical interpretation is a human endeavour that is to be done by believers who being led by the Spirit and praying for guidance by the Spirit. It is the Spirit that is supposed to lead believers, not AI.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Boy I have to be careful. I did not mean literally books.
PaRDeS :
Examination of the prophets show an extreme interest on/in the Messiah.

The same can be said about the Apostles.

But
Your thread is about books. So to get books I was looking for people to support books.

Takes different levels and look for parallel areas

Seed is the Word of God.
Ground is men’s hearts

That is what PaRDeS does

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Yes, you do with me. I rarely understand what you say because you don't precisely state what you mean.

I focus on words and their precise meanings and am left totally confused by most of your posts.

As for the 24 elders, I agree with ChatGPT, listed as option 2 in the Exegetical summary:

2. They are representatives of the Church [Alf, Sw, Wal]. The 24 elders symbolize the whole Church. The number 12 is taken from the 12 tribes of Israel, for each one of which there are two members, one for the Jewish side and one for the Gentiles who are joined together in the new Israel [Sw]. The number 24 is made up of the 12 Patriarchs and the 12 Apostles. This view is supported by 21:12, 14, where the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem are inscribed with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 foundations stones of it are inscribed with the names of the 12 Apostles [Alf].

ChatGPT:

1. Representing the Twelve Tribes of Israel and the Twelve Apostles: One interpretation suggests that the twenty-four elders symbolically represent the unified people of God from both the Old Testament (represented by the Twelve Tribes of Israel) and the New Testament (represented by the Twelve Apostles). This view emphasizes the continuity and unity of God's covenant with His people throughout history.

Anything that emphasizes the continuity and unity of God's covenants is a big checkmark when choosing options, to me anyway.


ChatGPT isn't voicing an opinion, its a program. Its culling from all the data, what is considered the best, or putting together stuff that separately is acclaimed as the best, together in new ways.

I trust in God. Mankind's future is a wonderful future, with God. No power in heaven and earth can stop that, For God has ordained it will be so.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You don't seem to be understanding my criticism. The fact that you had ChatGPT respond instead of yourself rather underscores my point.

Interpretation, understanding, and teaching of scripture is to be done by those who are led by the Spirit, as it is the Spirit that guides into all truth about spiritual matters. Atheists can understand things in the Bible to a point, but they understand it is as just another book, not the living and active word of God that is "sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" (Heb 4:12, ESV).

That is no different than AI. It should not be used for biblical interpretation, as it cannot discern the spiritual truths of scripture and cannot be led by the Spirit. Biblical interpretation is a human endeavour that is to be done by believers who being led by the Spirit and praying for guidance by the Spirit. It is the Spirit that is supposed to lead believers, not AI.

I agree with everything you say, and its impossible an AI replace the Holy Spirit or a human Teacher.

But Protestants have always argued the Holy Scriptures can be understood correctly, even by Atheists. So no one has any excuse they couldn't know the will of God. They can, open a Bible and read it.

You must be careful with ChatGPT, define precisely what it is to do. Here's an example, because I can't get scholars to critique my exegesis, I used ChatGPT. If the Greek didn't permit my exegesis, it would have said so:

prove from the Greek used in 1 Peter 4:3-6 the following interpretation is incorrect: Evildoers "think it strange (3579 ξενίζω xenizo)"; "are surprised" (CSB); "cannot understand" (REB) why Christians stopped partying with them, so they react with anger speaking evil of them. "For this reason the gospel was preached ALSO to those who are dead", when such ignorance is impossible: "That they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the Spirit."

ChatGPT


First, let's look at the original Greek text of 1 Peter 4:3-6:

3: ἀρκετὸς γὰρ ὁ παρεληλυθὼς χρόνος τὸ βούλημα τῶν ἐθνῶν κατειργάσθαι πεπορευμένους ἐν ἀσελγείαις, ἐπιθυμίαις, οἰνοφλυγίαις, κώμοις, πότοις, καὶ ἀθεμίτοις εἰδωλολατρίαις.4: ἐν ᾧ ξενίζονται μὴ συντρεχόντων ὑμῶν εἰς τὴν αὐτὴν τῆς ἀσωτίας ἀνάχυσιν, βλασφημοῦντες.5: οἱ ἀποδώσουσιν λόγον τῷ ἑτοίμως ἔχοντι κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς.6: εἰς τοῦτο γὰρ καὶ νεκροῖς εὐηγγελίσθη, ἵνα κριθῶσι μὲν κατὰ ἀνθρώπους σαρκὶ, ζῶσι δὲ κατὰ θεὸν πνεύματι.

The word ξενίζονται (xenizontai) from verse 4 does indeed come from the Greek verb ξενίζω (xenizo), which can mean "to surprise" or "to think strange". The word is in the present tense, which means that the action is ongoing - the non-believers continuously find it strange that Christians no longer participate in their previous behaviors.

The phrase "For this reason the gospel was preached ALSO to those who are dead" (verse 6) is a bit more challenging.

The Greek term for "preached" is εὐηγγελίσθη (euēngelisthē), which is in the aorist tense, suggesting an action completed in the past. The term "dead" νεκροῖς (nekrois) could be referring to physically dead people or spiritually dead, i.e., those living in sin. The phrase doesn't necessarily imply ignorance is impossible, rather it signifies the universal applicability of the Gospel.

The phrase "that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the Spirit" could be interpreted as suggesting that while they may face human judgment for their earthly deeds, they can still live spiritually through God, reflecting the Christian concept of spiritual regeneration through faith in Jesus Christ.

Based on the Greek words and their meanings, the interpretation that evildoers find it strange that Christians no longer join them in their debauchery, and that the gospel was preached to the dead (either physically or spiritually) so they might be judged in human terms but live in the spirit, seems to be in line with the Greek text.

If there are particular points of contention about this interpretation, additional insight might be gleaned from exploring them in greater depth. As it stands, however, the Greek text appears to support the general interpretation provided.

When I first asked ChatGPT for the most likely interpretation it refrained and listed the various ones we find in the commentary.

It cannot replace the Holy Spirit's guidance behind my interpretation, but it could verify it didn't contradict the Koine Greek used in the context. I'm still learning Greek, wanted to be sure and ChatGPT is programmed to be an expert in Bible Greek.

Until scholars begin disputing my exegesis, and I hope they do, I'll be using ChatGPT to double check I'm not contradicting what is in the Greek or Hebrew text.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I revised my take on the "books" opened on Judgment Day:

" And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life"

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

Postmortem opportunity for salvation on Judgment Day is implied by the opening of "the Book of Life". That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

There are three books according to the three classes of humans God foreknew before creation---before the fall corrupted their free will. He saw who were thoroughly righteous, thoroughly wicked, and the "Middling People".

The "book of the living" (Ps. 69:28) is also called "the Book of Life "(Rev. 20:12, 15). From Rev. 17:8 we know the Book of Life was written from the foundation of the world and that it did not contain the names of the wicked (also Rev. 13:8). That implies the existence of the Book of the Wicked with their names and deeds (Rev. 20:12-13). Because the names of the Elect were chosen by God before the foundation of the world, they cannot be blotted out of the Book of Life (Rom. 8:29; 1 Pet. 1:2; Eph. 1:4). Therefore, the existence of names that can be blotted out of the Book of Life implies the existence of the "Book of the Middling People" that record their names and deeds in this fallen realm and determine if their names will be blotted out or inscribed in the Book of Life (Ps. 69:28).

Therefore, the symbolism of the books used during the Great White Throne Judgment by Christ reveals Postmortem Opportunity for Salvation.

Compare Jewish Tradition popular in the Days of Christ:

In the days of Christ, to the School of Hillel the Old Testament revealed God mercifully forgave repentant sinners, even those in Hades. Paul was a Pharisee (Ac. 22:3; 23:6; 26:4-5) of this school. They believed three classes of People appear on Judgment Day: The Righteous, the Wicked, and the "Middling People". This construct is implied in John's vision of Judgment Day where multiple books are opened."

[I.15 A] Said R. Kruspedai said R. Yohanan, "Three books are opened [by God] on the New Year: one for the thoroughly wicked, one for the thoroughly righteous, and one for middling [people].
"The thoroughly righteous immediately are inscribed and sealed for [continued] life.
[C] "The thoroughly wicked immediately are inscribed and sealed for death.
[D] "Middling [people] are left hanging from New Year until the Day of Atonement.
[E] "If they [are found to have] merit, they are inscribed for life.
[F] "If they [are found] not [to have] merit, they are inscribed for death."
[G] Said R. Abin, "What is the Scriptural [foundation for this]? [Ps. 69:28 states]: 'Let them be blotted out of the book of the living. Let them not be inscribed among the righteous.' 'Let them be blotted out of the book'-this refers to the book of the thoroughly wicked. '[… of the] living'-this refers to the book of the righteous. 'Let them not be inscribed among the righteous'-this refers to the book of middling [people]."-Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 6b, p. 83). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers.

Rabbi Abin relies on unstated implications: "Let them be blotted out" implies the Book of the Thoroughly Wicked because the action is ongoing, they will never repent. "Book of the Living" lists the names of the Thoroughly Righteous. "Inscribed among the righteous" implies the Book of the Middling People because they chose to be Righteous. Unlike the Thoroughly Righteous, or Wicked, they had a choice.

Scholarship that ignores the Jewish context of the NT is unwise:

Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." (Matt. 13:52 NKJ)

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I revised my take on the "books" opened on Judgment Day:

" And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life"


Postmortem opportunity for salvation on Judgment Day is implied by the opening of "the Book of Life".

How does that imply a “postmortem opportunity”? Where does the passage even imply that the book of life is written into at that point?

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
…
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (ESV)

Does that not rather strongly imply that the names were already written and they are simply being read to determine where a person goes?

That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

Where is that explicitly stated in any of those passages?

 

[Alfred Persson]

How does that imply a “postmortem opportunity”? Where does the passage even imply that the book of life is written into at that point?

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
…
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (ESV)

Does that not rather strongly imply that the names were already written and they are simply being read to determine where a person goes?


Where is that explicitly stated in any of those passages?

God opens to bless, not curse. In Acts 14:27 the door is opened to the Gentiles. Paul prays God open a door for the word (Col. 3:4). The door is opened in heaven for John to see truth revealed (Rev. 4:1). God opens hearts to pay attention (Acts. 16:14). It follows an "open book" signifies it sheds light (Rev. 10:2, 8), life on those in the audience.

Rev. 20:15 implies "some were written in the book of life", the wording “And if anyone (εἴ τις) was not found in the Book of Life” implies some were found because “if anyone” cannot be a hypothetical “first-class condition” in an argument. John isn’t arguing a point, he is reporting what he saw.

For example, "if anyone didn't have a ticket they didn't get to see the movie" implies some had tickets.

To be resurrected from sheol/hades to life implies God has redeemed the person from hell, saved them.

 

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God opens to bless, not curse. In Acts 14:27 the door is opened to the Gentiles. Paul prays God open a door for the word (Col. 3:4). The door is opened in heaven for John to see truth revealed (Rev. 4:1). God opens hearts to pay attention (Acts. 16:14). It follows an "open book" signifies it sheds light (Rev. 10:2, 8), life on those in the audience.

Your conclusion does not at all follow. It’s the book of life which contains the names of those who will receive eternal life, those who are saved. You even say below that not everyone’s names are written in it, so that alone shows your reasoning here to be problematic.

Rev. 20:15 implies "some were written in the book of life", the wording “And if anyone (εἴ τις) was not found in the Book of Life” implies some were found because “if anyone” cannot be a hypothetical “first-class condition” in an argument. John isn’t arguing a point, he is reporting what he saw.

For example, "if anyone didn't have a ticket they didn't get to see the movie" implies some had tickets.

I agree.

To be resurrected from sheol/hades to life implies God has redeemed the person from hell, saved them.

Again, your conclusion does’t follow. The lake of fire is hell, Hades is the grave. Everyone who is dead is raised and if their name isn’t in the book of life, they are thrown into hell. Note that the names are already written—“if anyone’s name was not found written”; they are not being added at that time. There is no “postmortem opportunity” being shown in this passage. It is simply about judgment.

 

[Alfred Persson]

"Implication" is the interpretive key opening the door to a mass of evidence for postmortem opportunity for salvation.

In Jesus' day Rabbinic argument often pivoted upon an implied premise: Jesus asked the Pharisees "if David calls Christ 'my Lord' how can he be David's son? (Mt 22:41-45); " I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" proves Sadducees twice wrong, not only about the afterlife but the resurrection of the body for daily God is reminded He promised they and their offspring would inhabit the land physically forever (Gen. 17:7-8; 26:3; 28:13). James quotes Amos 9:11-12 to prove Gentiles were always participants in God's salvation (Acts. 15:15-18); Paul argues "This, 'He ascended'-- what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?'" (Eph. 4:9).

18 You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men, Even from the rebellious, That the LORD God might dwell there.
19 Blessed be the Lord, Who daily loads us with benefits, The God of our salvation! Selah
20 Our God is the God of salvation; And to GOD the Lord belong escapes from death. (Ps. 68:18-20 NKJ)

Today scholars believe Paul's application is "contextually problematic." Not to the School of Hillel where Paul learned exegesis at the feet of Gamaliel (Ac. 22:1-3). Both the translators of the Greek Septuagint and Aramaic Targums of this verse parallel Paul's Holy Spirit-inspired application. They conclude similar premises from the implication of David's prophecy.

The prophet David speaks of Christ's descent into hell and preaching to the formerly disobedient "spirits in prison" (1 Pt. 3:18-22) who gladly give gifts for being shown the LORD could dwell among them. Like the Church, they responded to Christ's preaching "with the answer of a good conscience towards God". That is the "like figure" Peter saw in Baptism, not referring to water at all. Having believed Christ's preaching the formerly dead were raised to a newness of life (Rom. 6:4. Col. 2:12. Eph. 2:3-7) "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Pt. 3:21-22). Upon learning Christ is the only way to Salvation; the formerly rebellious become God's gift to the church of apostles prophets evangelists pastors teachers "for the edifying of the body of Christ." (Eph. 4:7-16). Without postmortem opportunity, none of these connections can be made.

Postmortem Opportunity does not exist for those who deliberately and in full knowledge reject the gospel of Christ (Heb. 6:4-8). Ignorance of God is the only ground for divine mercy. Christ made this clear: "He who is not with me is against me", which implies Christ's identity is fully known. However, if "anyone speaks a word against the Son of Man" (incarnation veiling Jesus' identity) "it will be forgiven" "in the age to come" (Mt. 12:30, 32) for he spoke in ignorance of God.

Explanation of how postmortem opportunity fits into the larger Christian theology of salvation.

This theory of Universal Opportunity is Exclusive to Christ: "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (Jn. 14:6 NKJ). "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12 NKJ). It does not require temporal or geographical luck, everyone from Adam and Eve hears the gospel of Christ preached when their appointed deaths occur. Then is the "Judgment/trial" if Christ's sacrifice "to bear the sins of many" includes them. To finite creatures living in spacetime this "is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible" (Mk. 10:27 NKJ).

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[Alfred Persson]

In other words, God the Holy Spirit reveals the hidden things of God, that Scripture reveals, either explicitly or by implication.

36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "`You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 "This is the first and great commandment.
39 "And the second is like it:`You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." (Matt. 22:36-40 NKJ)


Nothing our LORD Jesus taught, or His apostles, isn't in the Old Testament Scripture either explicitly, or implicitly:

But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding. (Job 32:8 NKJ)

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. (Prov. 25:2 NKJ)

"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. (Deut. 29:29 NKJ)

Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7 NKJ)

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-17 NKJ)

16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.
17 And I will wait on the LORD, Who hides His face from the house of Jacob; And I will hope in Him.
18 Here am I and the children whom the LORD has given me! We are for signs and wonders in Israel From the LORD of hosts, Who dwells in Mount Zion.
19 And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
(Isa. 8:16-20 NKJ)

9 "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 "For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:`Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; (Matt. 13:9-16 NKJ)

31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (Jn. 8:31-32 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Your conclusion does not at all follow. It’s the book of life which contains the names of those who will receive eternal life, those who are saved. You even say below that not everyone’s names are written in it, so that alone shows your reasoning here to be problematic.


I agree.


Again, your conclusion does’t follow. The lake of fire is hell, Hades is the grave. Everyone who is dead is raised and if their name isn’t in the book of life, they are thrown into hell. Note that the names are already written—“if anyone’s name was not found written”; they are not being added at that time. There is no “postmortem opportunity” being shown in this passage. It is simply about judgment.

It follows from two lines of evidence.
1)The open book of life proves some of those present were listed in the book. So some who are raised from Hades were saved, and the open book is read to verify their names are in there.

2)Other scriptures indicate saved people rise on Judgment Day. That is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel "some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2); Jesus Christ "to the resurrection of life, and…to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:28-29); and His apostle Peter "there will be a resurrection…both of the just and unjust" (Acts 24:15).

I don't understand why you agreed "And anyone (εἴ τις) not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire" implies SOME were found written in the book of life and NOT cast into the fire.

That's not your belief, so how can you "agree"?

I agree with your point the books were "finalized" before Judgment Day, but we disagree when they were finalized. Your position is this life alone determines which book has a name, but I argue in the AFTERLIFE before Judgment Day people hear the gospel and can be saved, rise to the resurrection of life on Judgment Day.

I have lots of OT and NT scripture proving that is correct:

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It follows from two lines of evidence.
1)The open book of life proves some of those present were listed in the book. So some who are raised from Hades were saved, and the open book is read to verify their names are in there.

2)Other scriptures indicate saved people rise on Judgment Day. That is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel "some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2); Jesus Christ "to the resurrection of life, and…to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:28-29); and His apostle Peter "there will be a resurrection…both of the just and unjust" (Acts 24:15).

I don't understand why you agreed "And anyone (εἴ τις) not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire" implies SOME were found written in the book of life and NOT cast into the fire.

That's not your belief, so how can you "agree"?

Because, the point I am addressing is not whether or not people whose names aren't found in the book of life go to hell. I fully agree with that. The issue is that I'm addressing four claims you made that aren't supported by anything you have given so far:

1. Postmortem opportunity for salvation on Judgment Day is implied by the opening of "the Book of Life". That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

2. That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

To support those two claims, you then gave the following two claims:

3. God opens to bless, not curse. In Acts 14:27 the door is opened to the Gentiles. Paul prays God open a door for the word (Col. 3:4). The door is opened in heaven for John to see truth revealed (Rev. 4:1). God opens hearts to pay attention (Acts. 16:14). It follows an "open book" signifies it sheds light (Rev. 10:2, 8), life on those in the audience.

4. To be resurrected from sheol/hades to life implies God has redeemed the person from hell, saved them.

But those last two claims of yours are refuted by this claim you made, which is the one I agree with:

5. Rev. 20:15 implies "some were written in the book of life", the wording “And if anyone (εἴ τις) was not found in the Book of Life” implies some were found because “if anyone” cannot be a hypothetical “first-class condition” in an argument. John isn’t arguing a point, he is reporting what he saw.

For example, "if anyone didn't have a ticket they didn't get to see the movie" implies some had tickets.

You can't make claims 3 and 4 and then make claim 5, since the dead being judged, standing before the throne, include (or are) those who were in Hades, some of whom will go to hell.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (ESV)

I agree with your point the books were "finalized" before Judgment Day, but we disagree when they were finalized. Your position is this life alone determines which book has a name, but I argue in the AFTERLIFE before Judgment Day people hear the gospel and can be saved, rise to the resurrection of life on Judgment Day.

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And, yet, there is not a single verse I have ever seen to support such a position.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Because, the point I am addressing is not whether or not people whose names aren't found in the book of life go to hell. I fully agree with that. The issue is that I'm addressing four claims you made that aren't supported by anything you have given so far:

1. Postmortem opportunity for salvation on Judgment Day is implied by the opening of "the Book of Life". That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

2. That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15).

To support those two claims, you then gave the following two claims:

3. God opens to bless, not curse. In Acts 14:27 the door is opened to the Gentiles. Paul prays God open a door for the word (Col. 3:4). The door is opened in heaven for John to see truth revealed (Rev. 4:1). God opens hearts to pay attention (Acts. 16:14). It follows an "open book" signifies it sheds light (Rev. 10:2, 8), life on those in the audience.

4. To be resurrected from sheol/hades to life implies God has redeemed the person from hell, saved them.

But those last two claims of yours are refuted by this claim you made, which is the one I agree with:

5. Rev. 20:15 implies "some were written in the book of life", the wording “And if anyone (εἴ τις) was not found in the Book of Life” implies some were found because “if anyone” cannot be a hypothetical “first-class condition” in an argument. John isn’t arguing a point, he is reporting what he saw.

For example, "if anyone didn't have a ticket they didn't get to see the movie" implies some had tickets.

You can't make claims 3 and 4 and then make claim 5, since the dead being judged, standing before the throne, include (or are) those who were in Hades, some of whom will go to hell.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (ESV)


And, yet, there is not a single verse I have ever seen to support such a position.

I concede the analogies of open door etc. are weak and carry no weight.

But the wording of these texts does:

2)Other scriptures indicate saved people rise on Judgment Day. That is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel "some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2); Jesus Christ "to the resurrection of life, and…to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:28-29); and His apostle Peter "there will be a resurrection…both of the just and unjust" (Acts 24:15).

That means when Death Hades and the Sea give up their dead, some rose to life.

As all believers rise in the first resurrection/rapture/gathering, the "dead" who rise from Hades etc must have been saved in the Afterlife.

Christians are seated with God and His angels during Judgment Day. So if anyone rise "to a resurrection of life" (John 5:29) on Judgment Day they were saved in Hades.

That's why the Book of Life is open, to verify their names are in there.

Lots of verses teach postmortem salvation, and I posted them on my site and here also. I have yet to see you refute my exegesis of these texts. John 5:28-29; 1 Peter 3:18-22; 4:3-6.

You haven't seen them because you choose not to.

I am more than happy to engage you in a separate thread discussing any one of these contexts, so we can focus on it and not be let off into tangents.


I have OVER 20 OT and NT scriptures supporting my position. Pick any one of them to begin the discussion if you don't like the three I just mentioned:

Dt. 32:39 [#A]; 1Sam. 2:6 [#B]; 2Sam. 22:5-7 [#C]; Ps. 16:10-11 [#D]; Ps. 30:3-6 [#E]; Ps. 40:1-3 [#F]; Ps. 49:12-15 [#G]; Ps. 56:13 [#H]; Ps. 68:18-20 [#I]; Ps. 69:13-18 [#J]; Ps. 71:19-23 [#K]; Ps. 86:13 [#L]; Ps. 102:18-22 [#M]; Ps. 116:1-9 [#N]; Hos. 13:14 [#O]; Jon. 2:1-10 [#P]; Zec. 9:9-11 [#Q]; Mt. 12:30-32[#R]; John 5:28-29[#S]; Rm. 11:25-36[#T]; 1 Pt. 3:18-22[#U]; 1 Pt. 4:6[#V]; 1 Cor. 5:5[#W]; Eph. 4:8-10[#I]; Heb. 9:27-28[#X]; Rev. 20:11-15[#Y].

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I concede the analogies of open door etc. are weak and carry no weight.

But the wording of these texts does:

2)Other scriptures indicate saved people rise on Judgment Day. That is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel "some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2); Jesus Christ "to the resurrection of life, and…to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:28-29); and His apostle Peter "there will be a resurrection…both of the just and unjust" (Acts 24:15).

That means when Death Hades and the Sea give up their dead, some rose to life.

Saying that “saved people rise on judgement day” not only is different than your initial argument—“That people are saved on Judgment Day is explicitly stated by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 12:2) Jesus Christ (John 5:28-29) and His apostle Peter (Acts 24:15)”—it makes it seem that only saved people rise, which is not the case.

As all believers rise in the first resurrection/rapture/gathering, the "dead" who rise from Hades etc must have been saved in the Afterlife.

You first have to prove your first premise.

Christians are seated with God and His angels during Judgment Day. So if anyone rise "to a resurrection of life" (John 5:29) on Judgment Day they were saved in Hades.

Again, claims that you first need to prove.

That's why the Book of Life is open, to verify their names are in there.

Why would “Christians who are seated with God and His angels” need to have their names verified in the book of life? That makes no sense.

Lots of verses teach postmortem salvation, and I posted them on my site and here also. I have yet to see you refute my exegesis of these texts. John 5:28-29; 1 Peter 3:18-22; 4:3-6.


You haven't seen them because you choose not to.

I am more than happy to engage you in a separate thread discussing any one of these contexts, so we can focus on it and not be let off into tangents.


I have OVER 20 OT and NT scriptures supporting my position. Pick any one of them to begin the discussion if you don't like the three I just mentioned:

Dt. 32:39 [#A]; 1Sam. 2:6 [#B]; 2Sam. 22:5-7 [#C]; Ps. 16:10-11 [#D]; Ps. 30:3-6 [#E]; Ps. 40:1-3 [#F]; Ps. 49:12-15 [#G]; Ps. 56:13 [#H]; Ps. 68:18-20 [#I]; Ps. 69:13-18 [#J]; Ps. 71:19-23 [#K]; Ps. 86:13 [#L]; Ps. 102:18-22 [#M]; Ps. 116:1-9 [#N]; Hos. 13:14 [#O]; Jon. 2:1-10 [#P]; Zec. 9:9-11 [#Q]; Mt. 12:30-32[#R]; John 5:28-29[#S]; Rm. 11:25-36[#T]; 1 Pt. 3:18-22[#U]; 1 Pt. 4:6[#V]; 1 Cor. 5:5[#W]; Eph. 4:8-10[#I]; Heb. 9:27-28[#X]; Rev. 20:11-15[#Y].

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You have too many assumptions you need to clear up first.

 

[for_his_glory]

Don't need no robot preprogramed brain to tell me what I can clearly read in scripture. No machine can give us scriptural truth as it only comes by the Holy Spirit teaching us all things. I see this AL ChatGPT as being a part of the NWO that will cause a great falling away from truth as for all, it needs to be programed by man that feeds it data.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Revelation 20:11-15

John sees in his vision a great white throne and Him that sits in righteous judgment. The he is Christ Jesus in whom God has committed all judgment unto Him, Daniel 2:31-35; John 5:21-27, and now sits on His own throne beside the throne of God. Also at this time the heaven and earth will pass away as there is no place found of them anymore, Matthew 24:35.

All people from every nation that have been raised from the dead are gathered before the throne of God and His Son Christ Jesus seated on His throne of glory as He separates the sheep from the goats, Matthew 25:31-46. The books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the resurrection and already judged and receive eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57.

The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves in the resurrection and are reserved unto the day of judgment, 2 Peter 2:9. They are now condemned, judged and will be cast into the lake of fire. And death (Spiritually dead) and hell (the grave) are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Sorry, don't need a machine to tell me that of what has already been written.

 

[for_his_glory]

The potential for AI evil is great, but so far, that's still the future. Right now, its a tool that will change everything we do. Some will let it do their thinking, they don't like thinking for themselves now. But others will use it like we do any machine, to get where we want faster.

Just that statement alone should make one think twice about using this. When man refuses to think for themselves then they become fools. I don't need any AI to change the way I have been doing things for 68 years now that works for me.

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