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The Catholic Roots of Human Rights

Jesus was lifted up and it was a past event.

Jesus isn't the sun god cracker that is raised on Catholic altars.

The Catholic church has murdered millions for not bowing down to her and accepting her as the one true church...

Anyone who states otherwise certainly doesn't know history.

Excerpt from Way of life Literature

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/romescrimes.htm

"Many of the most horrendous crimes against humanity have been committed by the Church of Rome throughout the history of her existence. Her persecution of Protestants and other "heretics" is the inevitable result of her belief in the absolute power and infallibility of the Pope. Persecution is the natural outgrowth of these Papal dogmas.

Through the centuries history furnishes abundant proof of the Roman Church’s crimes against those who would not bow the knee to her. The crusade of Pope Innocent III against the Albigenses in 1208 was a war of extermination, lasting for several years, and was one of the bloodiest in history...

...We remember the burning at the stake of the Czech Reformer John Huss by the Council of Constance in 1415, which in spite of the Emperor’s guarantee of safe conduct declared that "faith need not be kept with heretics"! The death of Huss was followed in the next year by the martyrdom of Jerome of Prague, also by fire."

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/romescrimes.htm
 
In partaking of the Lord's Supper, otherwise known as Eucharist (giving of thanks), we participate in a renewed Passover celebration, as scriptures clearly demonstrate.

Luke 22:15
And He said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;

Luke 22:19
And when He had taken {some} bread {and} given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

1 Cor 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.

So what happens in a Jewish Passover? Well, we Catholic and Orthodox know, for we practice the raising of the Lamb to this day. But let a Jew describe the blessing of bread:

Source

Motsi: Blessing the Matza (unleavened bread)
We raise the two whole matzot and the broken matzah which is between them. We say the blessings over the "bread" and over the matza. Then we eat a piece of matzah.
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So the bread is raised, and thanks given, and brake, and blessed. And look: two whole matzot, and one broken. Three matzot, one broken, as Isaiah 53 would suggest.

But I digress.
The Lord's Supper is not a 'one-time deal.' Rather, we are to do it as often as we gather. Clearly, the matza is raised in Jewish tradition.
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And it continues to be raised in Christian tradition.


Study to show yourself approved. Heck, just study a little bit.

Jesus isn't the sun god cracker that is raised on Catholic altars.
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I ain't Jesus either, but He is in me.

BTW: There is yeast in crackers, and there is not in Western communion wafers.
 
That is a Catholic pagan practice not a true Christian tradition. I take communion in remembrance of Christ.

The Catholic Church claims it perpetuates the event. That is a lie.

Vatican II

"In the sacrifice of the Mass in fact, Christ offers himself for the salvation of the entire world." (Vol. 1, p. 114)

Lie from hell

"The celebration of the Eucharist which takes place at Mass is the action not only of Christ, but also of the Church. For in it Christ perpetuates in an unbloody manner the sacrifice offered on the cross, offering himself to the Father for the world's salvation through the ministry of priests." (Vol. 1, p. 103)

Lie from hell

"We believe that the Mass which is celebrated by the priest in the person of Christ in virtue of the power he receives in the Sacrament of Order ... is indeed the Sacrifice of Calvary sacramentally realized on our altars." (Vol. 2, p. 393)

Lie from hell.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The truth of God's word!

The Catholic ritual has it's roots in sun god worship.

But... we stray from the bloody murderous roots of Roman Catholic tyranny.

Millions of people who refused to worship the "cracker god" of Rome were tortured and killed for denying this false Catholic doctrine....

Many had their tongues pulled out or were tortured in the most cruel manners to get them to recant and confess that Jesus was a piece of bread...
 
I have demonstrated the Jewish roots of the practice biblically and anecdotally.

You have falsified pictures, put forth- knowingly- fabricated testimony from ex-clergy members who were never even clergy.

If the so-called alleged martyrs of Roman Catholic persecution were anything like the arguments you put forth, I wouldn't put it past them to tear out their own tongues.
 
Forged Documents and
Papal Power

Mary Ann Collins
(A Former Catholic Nun)

http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Forged.html

June 2002

"What we now call popes were originally bishops of Rome (one bishop among brother bishops from other cities). Then they became popes, with power over the entire Church.

Then they became so powerful that they were able to depose kings and emperors. They became so powerful that they were able to force kings use their secular might to enforce the Inquisition, which was conducted by Catholic priests and monks.

In 1870, the Pope was declared to be infallible. The process of increasing papal power was influenced by forged documents which changed people's perception of the history of the papacy and of the Church.
I'm just going to briefly summarize some information about these forgeries. At the end of this paper is a link to an on-line article which gives detailed historical information.

One of the most famous forgeries is the "Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals," which were written around 845 A.D. (They are also known as the "False Decretals".) They consist of 115 documents which were supposedly written by early popes. [Note 1]

The "Catholic Encyclopedia" admits that these are forgeries. It says that the purpose of these forged documents was to enable the Church to be independent of secular power, and to prevent the laity from ruling the Church. [Note 2 gives the address of an on-line article.] In other words, their purpose was to increase the power of the Pope and the Catholic Church.

In addition to documents which were total forgeries, genuine documents were altered. One hundred twenty-five genuine documents had forged material added to them, which increased the power of the Pope. Many early documents were changed to say the opposite of what they had originally said. [Note 3]

One of the forgeries is a letter which was falsely attributed to Saint Ambrose. It said that if a person does not agree with the Holy See, then he or she is a heretic. [Note 4] This is an example of how papal power was promoted by fraudulently claiming the authority of highly respected Early Fathers.

Another famous forgery from the nineth century was "The Donation of Constantine". It claimed that Emperor Constantine gave the western provinces of the Roman Empire to the Bishop of Rome. The Pope used it to claim authority in secular matters. [Note 5]

When Greek Christians tried to discuss issues with the Church in Rome, the popes often used forged documents to back their claims. This happened so frequently that for 700 years the Greeks referred to Rome as "the home of forgeries". [Note 6]

For three hundred years, the "Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals" and other forgeries were used by Roman Popes to claim authority over the Church in the East. The Patriarch of Constantinople rejected these false claims of primacy. This resulted in the separation of the Orthodox Church from the Roman Catholic Church. [Note 7 gives addresses of on-line articles.]

In the middle of the twelfth century, a monk named Gratian wrote the "Decretum," which became the basis for Canon Law (the legal system for running the Roman Catholic Church). It contained numerous quotations from forged documents. Gratian drew many of his conclusions from those quotations. Gratian quoted 324 passages which were supposedly written by popes of the first four centuries. Of those passages, only eleven are genuine. The other 313 quotations are forgeries. [Note 8]

For full article plus notes go to this link...

http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Forged.html
 
bibleberean said:
Then they became so powerful that they were able to depose kings and emperors. They became so powerful that they were able to force kings use their secular might to enforce the Inquisition, which was conducted by Catholic priests and monks.
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She is right, but incredibly misleading. The Inquistion was a look into confusion within Christianity, it was not about burning people at the stake as people think of it. The vast majority of cases in the Inquisition involved confusion within communities, which the Church would help them sort out.
There was no torture or executions. The worst punishment someone might get was washing the floors of their Church as a willing penance for their error.

The terrible abuses of the Inquistion as we think of today were the result of governments abusing it and using it to do away with people they thought were threats. The Catholic Church, having found out about the now famous abuses in Spain, condemned it and told them to cease.

To say the inquistion was carried out by nuns and monks makes it sound as if they were responsible for the abuses secular authorities did. This 'former nun' is being clearly dishonest and deceptive.

In 1870, the Pope was declared to be infallible. The process of increasing papal power was influenced by forged documents which changed people's perception of the history of the papacy and of the Church.
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I'm not going to bother with the rest of this because this woman is a liar.
The Pope is NOT INFALLIBLE.
The Pope is a sinner like everyone else.

It is only the Ex-Cathedra decrees which the successor of Peter says that are infallible. We have proof of this from an Ecumenical Council:
"We cannot go counter to the decrees of the most blessed and apostolic bishop ["Pope" for "bishop" in the Latin], who governs the Apostolic See, nor against the ecclesiastical canons nor the patristic traditions." - Council of Chalcedon, AD 451

We also know from Matthew 16 that God revealed information about the faith DIRECTLY to Peter. God can still do that today through his succcessor. These revelations are what are infallible.
 
You notice how he NEVER replies to anything?

As soon as he cut and pastes one thing and we take time to respond to it, he just cuts and pastes from another site?

How sad that his only argument is made through lies. He can't even defend the lies once responded to. He just shoots out more.
 
The Popes are not successors of Peter and God does not reveal His truths to apostates and idolators.

The Popes themselves have been some of the most evil men that have ever lived.

Those who have not been deceived by the greatest deceiver on earth the Roman Catholic Church check out this site...

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti6.htm
 
:lol:
It was kind of a weird "Stepford Wives" kind of moment.
I'm not entirely convinced that Robert doesn't have a BOT auto-generating anti-Catholic posts. In point of fact, there seems to be about 8-10 posts that he works with, repeating and shuffling. generally speaking, they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

BiblebereanBot?
 
Here is an article titled "Tortures of the Inquisition"

Warning this article is very graphic.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/torturesof.htm

"We pass on into the chamber, where more dreadful sights meet our gaze. It is hung round and round with instruments of torture, so numerous that it would take a long while even to name them, and so diverse that it would take a much longer time to describe them. We must take them in groups, for it were hopeless to think of going over them one by one, and particularising the mode in which each operated, and the ingenuity and art with which all of them have been adapted to their horrible end. There were instruments for compressing the fingers till the bones should be squeezed to splinters. There were instruments for probing below the finger-nails till an exquisite pain, like a burning fire, would run along the nerves. There were instruments for tearing out the tongue, for scooping out the eyes, for grubbing-up the ears. There were bunches of iron cords, with a spiked circle at the end of every whip, for tearing the flesh from the back till bone and sinew were laid bare. There were iron cases for the legs, which were tightened upon the limb placed in them by means of a screw, till flesh and bone were reduced to a jelly. There were cradles set full of sharp spikes, in which victims were laid and rolled from side to side, the wretched occupant being pierced at each movement of the machine with innumerable sharp points. There were iron ladles with long handles, for holding molten lead or boiling pitch, to be poured down the throat of the victim, and convert his body into a burning cauldron. There were frames with holes to admit the hands and feet, so contrived that the person put into them had his body bent into unnatural and painful positions, and the agony grew greater and greater by moments, and yet the man did not die. There were chestfuls of small but most ingeniously constructed instruments for pinching, probing, or tearing the more sensitive parts of the body, and continuing the pain up to the very verge where reason or life gives way. On the floor and walls of the apartment were other and larger instruments for the same fearful end÷lacerating, mangling, and agonizing living men; but these we shall meet in other dungeons we are yet to visit."

More information

Note: The inquisition lasted over 700 years...

"The Roman Catholic Inquisition, that Pope John Paul II publically sought forgiveness in March of 2000, was a 700-year campaign of persecution of heretics, in which hundreds of thousands of people were tortured and killed.

The Inquisition "inquiro", meaning to inquire into was initiated by Pope Gregory IX in 1231 when he wrote to French bishops informing them that he intended to repress heresy, witchcraft, alchemy and deviations such as devil worship.

At first the inquisitors were drawn almost exclusively from the Franciscan and Dominican orders, who travelled around seeking out heresy. Later they acquired the right to summon suspects from their homes to the Inquisition centre. The medieval Inquisition was employed mostly in southern France and northern Italy.

In 1252 a papal bull by Innocent IV authorised torture as a means of extracting confessions.

"The following quotes are cited from The American Textbook of Popery which in turn quotes from the Directory for the Inquisitors (page numbers listed are for the Directory)--"

"He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches. --A heretic merits the pains of fire. --By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned."--148, 169

"He is a heretic who deviates from any article of faith." --p. 143

"All sects of heretics are condemned and various punishments are appointed for them and their accomplices." --Pope Alexander IV, --p. 135

"Statutes that impede the execution of the duties which appertain to the office of Inquisitors are null and void." --Pope Urban IV, p. 106

"They who bury persons knowing them to be excommunicated, or their receivers, defenders, or favourers, shall not be absolved unless they dig up the corpse; and the place shall be deprived of the usual immunities of sepulture." --Pope Alexander IV, p. 104

"Inquisitors must discard all fear, and intrepidly proceed against heretical pravity."

"All defence is denied to heretics." p. 153

"For the suspicion alone of heresy, purgation is demanded." --p. 156

Source http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti6.htm

"Heretics are by right condemned." --p. 157

"He who is without the church can neither be reconciled nor saved." --p. 144
 
Orthodox Christian said:
:lol:
It was kind of a weird "Stepford Wives" kind of moment.
I'm not entirely convinced that Robert doesn't have a BOT auto-generating anti-Catholic posts. In point of fact, there seems to be about 8-10 posts that he works with, repeating and shuffling. generally speaking, they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

BiblebereanBot?
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I was actually thinking of just saving my responses to a file on my computer and cut and pasting responses to him from now on. It's just the same cut and paste job over and over :roll:
 
The Roman Catholic Church condemns to hell every bible believing Christian that believes that the Lord's table is a memorial commemorating Christ's death on the cross.

The RCC claims to be "freedom loving" and calls those outside of the church "separated brethren" when it suits her.

The following Anathema's have never been rejected by the RCC but are in fact in full force. On the one hand the "freedom loving" church of double speak calls Christians "brethren" while at the same time condemning us to eternal fire in hell.

Council of Trent 13th session...

CANON I.-If any one denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema.



CANON lI.-If any one saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood-the species Only of the bread and wine remaining-which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation; let him be anathema.



CANON III.-If any one denieth, that, in the venerable sacrament of the Eucharist, the whole Christ is contained under each species, and under every part of each species, when separated; let him be anathema.



CANON IV.-If any one saith, that, after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist, but (are there) only during the use, whilst it is being taken, and not either before or after; and that, in the hosts, or consecrated particles, which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true Body of the Lord remaineth not; let him be anathema.



CANON V.-If any one saith, either that the principal fruit of the most holy Eucharist is the remission of sins, or, that other effects do not result therefrom; let him be anathema.



CANON VI.-If any one saith, that, in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship, even external of latria; and is, consequently, neither to be venerated with a special festive solemnity, nor to be solemnly borne about in processions, according to the laudable and universal rite and custom of holy church; or, is not to be proposed publicly to the people to be adored, and that the adorers thereof are idolators; let him be anathema.

If anyone thinks that Vatican II changed all this think again.

"This sacred council accepts loyally the venerable faith of our ancestors in the living communion which exists between us and our brothers who are in the glory of heaven or who are yet being purified after their death; and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicea, of the Council of Florence, and of the Council of Trent." (Vol. 1, p. 412)

BB concludes:

The RCC is a confusing and confounding church. We know that God is not like this harlot...

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

The RCC must be rejected.

The RCC is not a freedom loving church but has all the characteristics of a cult.

As Christians we must rebuke those who want to join forces with this tyrant in "winning the world to Christ" and get back to preaching the gospel to those enslaved by RCC teaching. Anything short of that is unloving and a clear betrayal of Christ...

In Short there are no roots of freedom in Catholicism.

There is freedom in Christ.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 
bibleberean, what does the Catholic Church proclaiming those things have to do with freedom?

"CANON I.-If any one denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema."

Are you saying the Catholic Church is doing something wrong by stating what it believes and that contradiction to it is outside of the Church, anathema?

Would you stop cut and pasting for 5 seconds and actually discuss it?
 
The Roman Catholic cult enslaves the minds of millions by claiming that it is through her sacraments that salvation flows.

This is a lie from hell.

We are not saved through the Catholic Church and her sacraments.

We are saved by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work on the cross.

Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The RCC teaches that salvation comes through her. It places itself in the "place of Christ".

That is why true, informed and bible loving Christians despise this church.

It teaches salvation in the church when Jesus and His apostles and prophets teach salvation in Him.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The RCC teaches salvation in her. Christ teaches salvation in Him.

AN'TI, n.
...in place of.
Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Antichrist.
In place of Christ...

Vicar, n. [L. vicarius, from vicis]
a substitute in office.
Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Vicar of Christ.

A substitute Christ

"For the Roman pontiff , by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED."


CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882

"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE)."

POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302

The RCC is antichrist!

It enslaves the souls of millions by it's vile heretical doctrines.
 
The Church teaches that all salvation comes from Jesus Christ.

But, you don't want to go into that, you'd just rather post lies from other sources.
 
I don't have to quote anything but Catholic sources to expose her for what she is...

Salvation through the sacraments of the RCC

Council of Trent

"If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation but are superfluous, and that without them or without the desire of them men obtain from God through faith alone the grace of justification, though all are not necessary for each one, let him be anathema." (ibid., p. 52 -- Seventh Session, Sacraments In General, Canon 4)

"If anyone denies that sacramental confession was instituted by divine law or is necessary to salvation; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human contrivance, let him be anathema." (ibid., pp. 102 and 103 -- Fourteenth Session, Chapter III, Canon 6)

This is salvation in the church.

These are the doctrines that enslave men's souls.
 
You exposed us! *GASP* We teach that the sacraments provided by Christ's sacrifice assist us in our salvation.

You really exposed us there.
 
neither of these clear statements by Vatican II state "assist" in salvation.

They say are "necessary" for salvation.

Council of Trent

"If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation but are superfluous, and that without them or without the desire of them men obtain from God through faith alone the grace of justification, though all are not necessary for each one, let him be anathema." (ibid., p. 52 -- Seventh Session, Sacraments In General, Canon 4)

"If anyone denies that sacramental confession was instituted by divine law or is necessary to salvation; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human contrivance, let him be anathema." (ibid., pp. 102 and 103 -- Fourteenth Session, Chapter III, Canon 6)

This is salvation in the church.

These are the doctrines that enslave men's souls.

There is only Salvation in Christ not in Rome and it's pagan rituals.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

The name is Jesus not Rome...
 
First you said salvation is because of the Catholic Church.

Salvation is because of Jesus Christ. Jesus said that certain things are necessary for salvation and these are the sacraments. They are not absolutely required in a legalistic way.

We are saved by Jesus Christ. We receive the grace He provided through the sacraments found in the Church.
 
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