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[_ Old Earth _] The Christianity In Science

Rick W said:
Even as a man He spoke as the Father would have Him speak. And that not by His authority but by the Father's.
I would think God knew something of science.

Nor did Jesus give up His divinity but took on the nature of a man in addition to who He is.
I've heard it said, "He set aside His crown..."
No, He set nothing aside. He was diminished in no way. Just because He took the nature of man doesn't mean he was reduced in any way.
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see my link a few posts back.
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
I think it is wrong to question the knowledge of Jesus.
The Gospel of John tells us that he is God, that he created everything.
If Jesus and the Father are one, John 10:30; then Jesus had full knowledge as a man of everything that he was sent to do.
This had to include every scientific fact that was necessary for him to fulfill his ministry.
We can never know all that this entails.
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I agree, Jesus had a full knowledge of everything that he was sent to do. As a man on earth, he did not know everything completely. Which includes science.

What did scientific facts have anything to do with Jesus Messianic mission?
 
Christ came from the Father. Christ is the Word of God and was with God in the beginning.
All things were made by Him and through Him.
What didn't He know?
 
Doulos Iesou said:
I agree, Jesus had a full knowledge of everything that he was sent to do. As a man on earth, he did not know everything completely. Which includes science.

What did scientific facts have anything to do with Jesus Messianic mission?
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what is the importance of the torah? why would it matter if jesus didn't KNOW how to celebrate the feasts? remember He gave the torah to the nation and also couldn't have been that ignorant of it. he spent a lot time telling the Pharisees they did the torah in err. if they didn't do the shabat right he piped up and we have that in the record.
 
Rick W said:
Even as a man He spoke as the Father would have Him speak. And that not by His authority but by the Father's.
I would think God knew something of science.

Nor did Jesus give up His divinity but took on the nature of a man in addition to who He is.
I've heard it said, "He set aside His crown..."
No, He set nothing aside. He was diminished in no way. Just because He took the nature of man doesn't mean he was reduced in any way.
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who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Philippians 2:6-8 (ESV)

This seems to be a confusion of the two natures. Your definition seems to make Jesus into some kind of demi-god, when Jesus was truly a man. He wasn't having omniscience downloaded into his brain, rather he was a Spirit led man who communed with the Father about his Messianic mission.
 
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Philippians 2:6-8 (ESV)

This seems to be a confusion of the two natures. Your definition seems to make Jesus into some kind of demi-god, when Jesus was truly a man. He wasn't having omniscience downloaded into his brain, rather he was a Spirit led man who communed with the Father about his Messianic mission.
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uhm, he healed, he also claimed to be god. I have noticed you said led man. so you don't believe in the trinity? that jesus whom died on the cross wasn't GOD the SON? how does a 12 year know the torah that well and he wasn't taught it in 12 years that well.
 
jasonc said:
so we that don't speak Hebrew should just say a day isn't a day? most Hebrew scholars wont suggest that.

jesus a man didn't know much about God either, see where that can go? Jesus said he saw a man Philip prior to his coming to him. how does a mortal do that?
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This is not really relevant to what I am asking for clarification on.
 
jasonc said:
so we that don't speak Hebrew should just say a day isn't a day? most Hebrew scholars wont suggest that.

jesus a man didn't know much about God either, see where that can go? Jesus said he saw a man Philip prior to his coming to him. how does a mortal do that?
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Jesus was a Spirit led human being.

When he suffered on the Cross, he did so as a man who fully felt the pain of his execution.
 
Free said:
This is not really relevant to what I am asking for clarification on.
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so what is jesus? is god or a man or an angel?
if jesus was shot by an arrow would have died if he wanted to or not if so choose? he allowed himself to die. he say I lay down my life and I pick it up. he couldn't have said that if it he didn't have that power.
 
jasonc said:
so what is jesus? is god or a man or an angel?
if jesus was shot by an arrow would have died if he wanted to or not if so choose? he allowed himself to die. he say I lay down my life and I pick it up. he couldn't have said that if it he didn't have that power.
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Again, this is not relevant to what I am asking.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
I agree, Jesus had a full knowledge of everything that he was sent to do. As a man on earth, he did not know everything completely. Which includes science.

What did scientific facts have anything to do with Jesus Messianic mission?
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Would mind addressing this? Where is this stated in scripture? Or even inferred?
 
jasonc said:
uhm, he healed, he also claimed to be god. I have noticed you said led man. so you don't believe in the trinity? that jesus whom died on the cross wasn't GOD the SON? how does a 12 year know the torah that well and he wasn't taught it in 12 years that well.
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I'm acknowledging his truly human nature, that he was like us in every way except that he did not sin. He was truly the Son of God, but while on earth he was in the form of a human.

I don't think that a human being can be omniscient, indeed we can only contain so much information in our brain.

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—" Acts 2:22 (ESV)

God performed the works through Jesus, hence he was filled with the Holy Spirit who led him and it was from there he gained the powers to heal and prophesy.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Philippians 2:6-8 (ESV)

This seems to be a confusion of the two natures. Your definition seems to make Jesus into some kind of demi-god, when Jesus was truly a man. He wasn't having omniscience downloaded into his brain, rather he was a Spirit led man who communed with the Father about his Messianic mission.
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He emptied himself of the authority as He attested, the glory of deity but not deity itself.

"did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped"

Christ had glory with the Father before His incarnation. "A thing to be grasped" ... He already had that equality.
 
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