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[_ Old Earth _] The Christianity In Science

Gary said:
If everything was made through Him, how could He be ignorant of the sciences?
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And Doulos' point was "as a man." You are wanting to take the passages you have given out of context, the context clearly seen in the NT that Jesus, as a man, was significantly limited in what he knew. You want to use the passages to show that Jesus would have known everything, but that clearly is not the case. That would contradict much of what Jesus said regarding his humanity and relationship to the Father.
 
jasonc said:
ok so then you deny the diety. that is exactly what the Jehovah witness teach.
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I acknowledge the Deity and Humanity of Christ. I also acknowledge that Scripture says that Jesus was God who emptied himself and took the form of a man, who God then worked mighty miracles through in his earthly ministry.

This is the hypostatic union and has been held to throughout Christian history.
 
Free said:
And Doulos' point was "as a man." You are wanting to take the passages you have given out of context, the context clearly seen in the NT that Jesus, as a man, was significantly limited in what he knew. You want to use the passages to show that Jesus would have known everything, but that clearly is not the case. That would contradict much of what Jesus said regarding his humanity and relationship to the Father.
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Show me from the scriptures that Jesus lacked knowledge.
 
Gary said:
Would mind addressing this? Where is this stated in scripture? Or even inferred?
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I'm curious too.
:confused

And that'll be the last request.
If DI doesn't want to answer then he doesn't have to. It's his prerogative.
 
Rick W said:
He emptied himself of the authority as He attested, the glory of deity but not deity itself.

"did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped"

Christ had glory with the Father before His incarnation. "A thing to be grasped" ... He already had that equality.
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Please explain to me your concept of the incarnation? Your definition seems to make Jesus not truly a man. Was he 100% a man? Yes or no?
 
Doulos Iesou said:
I'm acknowledging his truly human nature, that he was like us in every way except that he did not sin. He was truly the Son of God, but while on earth he was in the form of a human.

I don't think that a human being can be omniscient, indeed we can only contain so much information in our brain.

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—" Acts 2:22 (ESV)

God performed the works through Jesus, hence he was filled with the Holy Spirit who led him and it was from there he gained the powers to heal and prophesy.
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again he was more then that. I don't pretend to understand that but jesus words cant be discounted. he did follow the Spirit of course but was jesus delusion when he said if lay down my life I can pick it up? certiantly not.

I see that you aren't a Trinitarian. why? because the word of jesus himself says I am , in reference to the Heshem himself. if he was just a man.
 
Free said:
And Doulos' point was "as a man." You are wanting to take the passages you have given out of context, the context clearly seen in the NT that Jesus, as a man, was significantly limited in what he knew. You want to use the passages to show that Jesus would have known everything, but that clearly is not the case. That would contradict much of what Jesus said regarding his humanity and relationship to the Father.
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THANK YOU! The only person who gets what I am referring to. The Hypostatic union is certainly something difficult to get one's head around, but this is about how Jesus functioned as a man on earth. He was truly a man who was led by God through his Holy Spirit and only did what the Father told him to.
 
jasonc said:
again he was more then that. I don't pretend to understand that but jesus words cant be discounted. he did follow the Spirit of course but was jesus delusion when he said if lay down my life I can pick it up? certiantly not.

I see that you aren't a Trinitarian. why? because the word of jesus himself says I am , in reference to the Heshem himself. if he was just a man.
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I am a Trinitarian, quit with the accusations. Don't go throwing around these kinds of claims when you don't understand the Hypostatic union.

We are discussing how Jesus functioned as a man during his earthly ministry. I am in no way saying that Jesus was not Divine.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
Please explain to me your concept of the incarnation? Your definition seems to make Jesus not truly a man. Was he 100% a man? Yes or no?
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Physically yes. But by nature no. He had no sinful nature as man does.
He couldn't be tempted either.
 
Free said:
Again, not relevant.
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totally revalant since the father in heaven told him that. would God tell his son to lie to the people? NO, so if he didn't do it a day literally on each day as mentioned why then would he tell his son that? that is how the jews then would read it. the first audience weren't scientists, they only knew what they read and what they were taught.

whenever in Hebrew a number is mentioned with the word for day its a literal day, without it can be age or a length of time that is unspeciefied.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
I am a Trinitarian, quit with the accusations. Don't go throwing around these kinds of claims when you don't understand the Hypostatic union.

We are discussing how Jesus functioned as a man during his earthly ministry. I am in no way saying that Jesus was not Divine.
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you imply it. somebody I don't? really I don't? funny I followed you when you said his brain couldn't retain information. funny he said things that he remembered from heaven? ie Abraham saw my day and was glad. when did he met Abraham? in death or when Abraham died? how can the being that almighty know that and also be that limited? jesus read thoughts. where is the gift of that in the bible? yet he would tell the thoughts of men when he wanted to. say not unto yourselves. no spirit led man since has done that. that isn't of the gifts.
 
Rick W said:
Physically yes. But by nature no. He had no sinful nature as man does.
He couldn't be tempted either.
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Original sin is a different matter, so I won't go there here.

However, I am talking about how we as humans are limited in our power. Not just Jesus looking like a human, but him actually being one.

Also, how do you reconcile Jesus not being tempted with this Scripture?

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Hebrews 4:15 (NIV)

I guess I am nitpicking, but I think I get your point in that Jesus was never drawn to sin, even though the temptations were presented?
 
im well aware of acts 1 where jesus said only the father knows the times and seasons, about the end.
 
Gary said:
Show me from the scriptures that Jesus lacked knowledge.
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Read the gospels. There are many passages that support it. I don't have the time at the moment.

The fact that this is even being questioned is very surprising.
 
its not that hard,jesus had to deal with the things of his day. there wasn't abortion then so he didn't mention it. there wasn't gay marriage then that needed to be addressed so he didn't mention it. and so on.the jews weren't scientists. they did teach how to do the feasts based on the jewish religious calendar of months they used based on how they read the creation account. the counterarguments says god don't lie then why does he let jews base their litergury on the events of a non literal story with a day of rest based on that and exact marking of days.
shabat starts Friday at sundown, not at 12 am. sundown from Jerusalem. that is old, very old.
 
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