The Crucifix Cross

[RomanCatholic]

Re: The Catholic Cross

I thought it was just that purpetual catholic guilt thing, but anyway I do like your answer, now why do catholic pray to Mother Mary? whats that all about?

edited to add my prefrance is no body on the Cross.

We don't pray to Mary, she intercedes for us.

 

[God's_gift]

Re: The Catholic Cross

We don't pray to Mary, she intercedes for us.

1 Timothy 2: 5 “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.â€

What does mediator mean?
• MEDIATOR (noun)
The noun MEDIATOR has 1 sense:
1. a negotiator who acts as a link between parties

 

[farouk]

Re: The Catholic Cross

1 Timothy 2: 5 “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.â€

God's gift:

Great verse! Needs to be taken to heart!

Blessings.

 

[God's_gift]

Re: The Catholic Cross

God's gift:

Great verse! Needs to be taken to heart!

Blessings.

Amen to that

 

[Pizzaguy]

Why does the catholic cross depict Jesus on it? (I think other groups have this also, not just the catholics, but they are the ones that come to mind) It seems to me that Jesus isn't on that cross any more! Christianity began AFTER He came down from the cross. The cross ought to be empty.

Nothing against you, Pard, so don't take this personally but at my age I've heard it all 1,000 times so....

As a Baptist, even I am sick of this argument. Jesus isn't on the cross any more? Yea - but He WAS there and He WAS crucified and without Him there - we have no one to have faith in.

This position (from post 2) states a position equally as valid as yours:

The crucified Christ best shows the love God has for man. The depths that God is willing to go to save us. The empty cross doesn't show God's Love for man in the same way. It shows God's victory over death - but says nothing directly about God's Love for man. One must go to the Crucified Christ to see that.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Re: The Catholic Cross

Did Christ not suffer on the cross for the sake of sins committed past, present, and future? Does the Trinity not exist outside of time? Do we not crack the whip on his back or cast a blow with a hammer on one of the nails that pierced his hands/wrists and feet with every sin we commit? In light of all this, can it not be said that Christ is still on the cross?

Oh, this is a good response.

 

[stormcloud]

Re: The Catholic Cross

1 Timothy 2: 5 “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Please reread what you responded to:

intercede:to act or interpose in behalf of someone in difficulty or trouble, as by pleading or petition

 

[God's_gift]

Re: The Catholic Cross

Please reread what you responded to:

intercede:to act or interpose in behalf of someone in difficulty or trouble, as by pleading or petition

you are the one who should read to where you respond to. I am responding to RC's

We don't pray to Mary, she intercedes for us.

Christ is the only one who can intercede for our us, i hope you got that.

 

[stormcloud]

God's gift

What you're missing is that "intercede" and "mediate" are terms with different meanings and not interchangeable.

 

[God's_gift]

God's gift

What you're missing is that "intercede" and "mediate" are terms with different meanings and not interchangeable.

the technicality of that two words doesn't change the fact that Mary cannot intercede for us coz she's dead. You can make a different thread if you want.

 

[stormcloud]

It's not merely a "technicality". As for starting a new thread, I'll be happy to, but you were the one to start this discussion by taking issue with a clarification Roman Catholic made.

 

[stormcloud]

By the way, your use of 1 Timothy 2:5 ignores 1 Timothy 2:1.

 

[Mike]

We need to take care not to go too deeply into RCC doctrine in a forum not designated for it.

Thank you!

 

[stormcloud]

Mike,

I'm not quoting from RCC doctrine, I'm quoting from the Bible. The only reason the words "Roman Catholic" appeared in my response is because that's the name of the person who made a post that was being referred to.

If we're going to discuss Christian truth, we cannot dismiss something the Bible says is true, just because it matches with RCC doctrine.

 

[mint-debian]

This might be off topic, but I like it because it logically eliminates an alleged contradiction in the Scriptures. It's historically interesting also.

"The Five Crosses (or commonly known as Les Cinq Croix) is a Christian monument of Calvary at Ploubezere, near Lannion, Côtes-du-Nord, in Brittany, France."

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Who reviled Jesus?

Matthew 27:38, 44.

Mark 15:27, 32.

Luke 23:32, 33, 39-42.

P: “the malefactors†Luk 23:32, 33. "two thieves" Mat 27:38. Mark 15:27.

Q: "they that were crucified with him reviled him." Mark 15:32.

~Q: "the other answering rebuked" Luke 23:40.

IF all malefactors are thieves (P), THEN "they that were crucified with him reviled him." (Q). Mat 27:38. Mark 15:32.

"the other answering rebuked†(~Q). Luke 23:40.

THEREFORE, NOT all malefactors are thieves (~P). Luk 23:32, 33.

P -> Q
~Q
├ ~P

VALID REASONING.

Nowhere does the Bible claim that only two others were crucified with the Lord. That theory is largely the result of medieval paintings.

 

[pokemons]

Because the Sun moves through the Southern Crux when it "Dies"?

 

[Fedusenko]

OK, so maybe I am totally over-analyzing this but...

Why does the catholic cross depict Jesus on it? (I think other groups have this also, not just the catholics, but they are the ones that come to mind) It seems to me that Jesus isn't on that cross any more! Christianity began AFTER He came down from the cross. The cross ought to be empty.

Is there a symbolic reason that the RCC (and maybe others) have Jesus on the cross still? Or am I just over thinking this?:

The cross dates back to the Assyrian god, Tammuz. It wan an idol for those who worshiped him in the shape of a Tau, think the letter 't'. It was passed through many religions, including Judaism and Christianity.