The difference in the rapture and the second coming

[Willie T]

Ok scripture told me another saying so lets inquir of The Lord to see if what I believe is correct and what u believe is correct.

He will tell u in a dream and just tell me what u dreamt

Now, what would Daniel say about having to first be TOLD the dream..... can't you tell her what she dreams?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

What are your Scripture passages to back your statement?

It's kind of lengthy all scriptures but basically it shows the end of the world and the remnant that is left who is gonna population the world during the thousand year reign then once those ears are fulfilled they will be caught up to meet The Lord on In the sky

Revelations

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Ezekiel 38

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.


Ezekiel 39

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Now, what would Daniel say about having to first be TOLD the dream..... can't you tell her what she dreams?

U did not read the previous conversations for if u did u wouldn't reply that post

 

[Gary]

That goes two ways.

Please explain.
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[Kathi]

Please explain.
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This is what you said "It's not all that difficult to mold scripture into saying what you want it to".It is not difficult to mold scripture into what you want it to either.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

This is what you said "It's not all that difficult to mold scripture into saying what you want it to".It is not difficult to mold scripture into what you want it to either.

I did not do that. Read the scriptures I posted.

It's not that long and it's straight scripture I'm not talking

 

[Kathi]

I did not do that. Read the scriptures I posted.

It's not that long and it's straight scripture I'm not talking

Gary asked me this.I was replying to him.I am sorry if I was not very clear.

 

[Eugene]

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Where does this passage say anything about a secret?

Since the scripture you bring forth mentions the last trump, it has to be evident that there are prior trumps When will be the time death is no more? Isn't that at the end of the millennium; not its inception? As far as I read there remains death during the millennium (Isa 65:20).

 

[Gary]

This is what you said "It's not all that difficult to mold scripture into saying what you want it to".It is not difficult to mold scripture into what you want it to either.

Would you mind posting those scriptures that I supposedly molded?

Thanks.
.

 

[Eugene]

ok so theres how many ressurections?

jesus says one. the resurrection of the just and unjust.

a rapture is a resurrection.

I didn't think you believe in a rapture.

 

[Kathi]

Would you mind posting those scriptures that I supposedly molded?

Thanks.
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You have lost me Gary.I posted you what you said.And I responded.I don't know of any scriptures you molded.

 

[Kathi]

I didn't think you believe in a rapture.

Ya think?

 

[JLB]

Got questions takes the credit for it.It is very Biblical and follows Scripture.


The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).

5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?

1) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

2) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).

3) In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).

The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences. In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Rapture-Second-Coming.html#ixzz3CgkxfKef

The Rapture is not imminent.

It will not come as a thief in the night for the Church.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5;4

The Resurrection will be for all those who are His, and this takes place BEFORE the Rapture.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23


The Resurrection takes place BEFORE the Rapture.

If you really understand this, you will see once and for all that the Rapture occurs at His Coming.


JLB

 

[Eugene]

Hhow about this we all go to sleep and The Lord will tell us are hearts and who's interpretation about the rapture is correct.

Who here agrees? If it be his will The Lord will answer us

The Lord is not weary that He must sleep. He can also give us strength to remain awake and be guided by His word given by the God of peace. In fact He could give you the power to never sleep.

These following scriptures come to mind.
Pro 6:9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
Pro 6:10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:

 

[Kathi]

The Rapture is not imminent.

It will not come as a thief in the night for the Church.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5;4

The Resurrection will be for all those who are His, and this takes place BEFORE the Rapture.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23


The Resurrection takes place BEFORE the Rapture.

If you really understand this, you will see once and for all that the Rapture occurs at His Coming.


JLB

"Coming like a thief in the night" comes from Matthew 24:43 and yes it refers to the rapture.

 

[Gary]

You have lost me Gary.I posted you what you said.And I responded.I don't know of any scriptures you molded.

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[Kathi]

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And the cow jumped over the moon

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

The Lord is not weary that He must sleep. He can also give us strength to remain awake and be guided by His word given by the God of peace. In fact He could give you the power to never sleep.

These following scriptures come to mind.
Pro 6:9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
Pro 6:10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:

I'm talking about conversation

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

"Coming like a thief in the night" comes from Matthew 24:43 and yes it refers to the rapture.

Please read that post . It's very interesting

 

[reba]

It's kind of lengthy all scriptures but basically it shows the end of the world and the remnant that is left who is gonna population the world during the thousand year reign then once those ears are fulfilled they will be caught up to meet The Lord on In the sky

Revelations

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Ezekiel 38

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.


Ezekiel 39

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

So where do you read more then one rapture ?