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The "End Times"

To quote you.

I really can not understand why others teach a different Gospel then that of what Jesus has already said. It's not complicated to understand that which must come first. These of what He speaks of are the tribulations of those days and till the end of time, for immediately after all of them, then we will see Jesus coming in the clouds.

It would be nice to just discuss the true Gospel. It might be nice to have a safe place to discuss things together.
But
To hasten the return of Jesus the tribulation must come. So we are separated and beat upon. Let us rejoice.

eddif
Sorry for the length, but need to give all these scriptures.

Nowhere in scripture does it teach about a secret quiet Rapture of the Church or a seven year tribulation.

A lot of you might scoff and think this is foolishness, especially those of you that are not in the Lord or allow man to teach you instead of the Holy Spirit, but God said in Daniel 12:4 and Proverbs 10:14 that knowledge would increase more towards the end of days and what God has been revealing to me through the Holy Spirit has been a warning to not be afraid of what must come, but to prepare ourselves to learn how to endure what we are going to have to go through before the return of Christ. Hosea 4:6 says my people perish for lack of knowledge.

Most pastors teach a pretrib rapture, but this is false teaching and not according to what God has already taught us. Matthew 24 shows us exactly what must come first and God said to those who endure until the end of days will be his elect. Daniel 7:23-27; Revelation 13:1-10; Revelation 17; Luke 21:36 are just a few scriptures of God showing us we will go through much tribulation. The Bible mentions nothing about a so called seven year tribulation period, but states we have always had tribulation from the beginning of time when Adam and Eve sinned against God.

Below I have explained with scripture that the True Church of Christ (body of Christ) alive at His coming or a sleep in the grave will be caught up to Christ on the lasy day when Christ returns.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as those who are anointed by God's Holy Spirit are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.

By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus as the Holy Spirit strengthens us to stand and endure until the coming of the Lord as God has a place prepared for us in the wilderness as His wrath passes over the earth, Rev 12:6. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chapter 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.

Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.

Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.

Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame

Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride

Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.

Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.

Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
 
I am now using an antiquated iPad that requires a smart phone to help track down all this.
The search engine works fairly well. At least I can see better.

You know the Jews have the twelve gates to the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.
Romans 3 says all Jews did not sin to excess.

I have been told I am a Jew because of my support (on another website).

eddif
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
 
Ezekiel and Isaiah say nothing about Satan. The oracles you cite are explicitly said to be against Tyre and Babylon.
When did the king of Tyre ever sit in the Garden of Eden or called an anointed Cherub. Ezekiel 28:13-17 and Isaiah 14:12-15 is all about Lucifer/Satan. But this needs to be another thread.
 
So what? It can onlyhelp America if we bless Israel. Scriptue says hose eho bless Israel are blessed and those who curse Israel are cursed.
Romans 3:1 kjv
1. What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2. Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

There is no other people that supplies the true history and future of God and mankind.
The oracles of God. Sure some of it is contained in symbolism.
Oracles of God:
Circumcisn is about the heart and not the external. Yes I can understand that the history seemed more real than the reality. Just that beginning symbol lets us Kuwait God is the God of stages. First the physical then the spiritual.
Exodus 20:28 kjv
28. Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

This is not ultimately about physical steps, but progressive revelation. Adam and Eve were tempted to leap from keepers of eden to equal with God. No steps, just one giant leap.

Without Jewish oracles we would not know any of this. Prophecy - progressive revelation.
More later.

eddif
 
And there appeared a great wonder in HEAVEN (not in the SKY); a woman CLOTHED with the sun, and the moon UNDER HER FEET, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And she brought forth a MAN child, who was to rule all nations-REVELATION 11:v.15-18- with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP UNTO GOD, and to His throne. (GOD's throne? Psalm 97:v.1-2:
1 The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof.
2 Clouds and darkness are round about Him: righteousness and Judgment are the fundation of His throne.


Revelation 12:v.3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in HEAVEN; and behold A GREAT RED DRAGON, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.
4 And his TAIL drew the third part of the stars of HEAVEN, and did cast them to the earth: and the DRAGON stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


We need to study deeply to understand the differece between HEAVEN and SKY, two distincts environments, and thus to be not deceived by the TAIL of the monstrous RED DRAGON, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads (beyond his SATANIC TAIL), that is the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world-Revelation 11:v.9.


Peter, the Apostle, prophesied, saying: The HEAVENS(not SKY) and the earth, which are now (the first two heavens), by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment(this Day arrived, the LORD's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.
I can at times handle time travel between OT and NT. Some need more help than others. I do not use the color coded method.
Keep up the posts.

eddif
 
We know that persecution to death is very real especially in other countries where many are being tortured and killed for their faith in Christ and I am sure will come to America in time. The question we need to be asking ourselves if we are truly being Christ-like in all we do and say, are we going to endure and proclaim the name of Jesus with our dying breathe or are we going to turn from Him in order to save our own life or the life of our families. Something to think about as you read what Jesus went through for us and what others are going through for His sake.


ISAIAH 50:6 I HID NOT MY FACE FROM SHAME.


JOHN 18:22 FIRST TO HIT JESUS WITH AN OPEN PALM ON HIS FACE WAS A PAGAN ARMY OFFICER.


JOHN 18:23 JESUS ASKED THE OFFICER "WHY DID YOU HIT ME"?


ISAIAH 50:6 I ALSO HID NOT MY FACE FROM SPITTING.


MARK 15:19 A REED HIT HIM ON THE HEAD.


LUKE 22:63 THEY HIT HIS BODY WITH THEIR FISTS.


ISAIAH 53:5 HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES.


ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY CHEEKS TO THEM THAT PLUCKED OFF MY BEARD.


JOHN 19:2 A CROWN OF THORNS WAS FORCED INTO THE FLESH OF HIS HEAD


MATTHEW 27:28 STRIPPED NAKED.


ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY BACK TO THE SMITERS.


PSALMS 22:17 I COUNT MY BONES: THEY LOOK AND STARE UPON ME


ISAIAH. 53:2 WHEN WE SEE HIM, THERE IS NO BEAUTY THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE HIM.


ISAIAH 52:14 MANY WERE ASTONISHED AT HIM. HIS FACE AND BODY WAS MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN.


JOHN 19:23 SOLDIERS CRUCIFIED CHRIST JESUS.


JOHN 19:36, PSALMS 34:20, NOT A BONE OF HIS BODY COULD BE BROKEN.


JOHN 10:18 NO MAN TAKES MY LIFE FROM ME I LAY IT DOWN MYSELF.


JOHN 19:34 A SOLDIER WITH A SPEAR PIERCED HIS SIDE.


Yes, Jesus endured these sins being committed against him. I was trying to show how just being who he is caused him affliction, misery and evil at the hands of those who hated him. Like the example of Pharaoh you mentioned. God "created" a situation where Pharaohs pride brought hardship to Gods' people.
 
The abomination that causes desolation that will stand in the holy place, Matthew 24:15, is described in Daniel 7; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Rev 13 and 17. There is much debate who this lawless one is, but the holy place is where the Dome of the Rock sits now in Jerusalem on the very mount of God since 692AD. I'm not saying that the Muslims are the lawless one, but are involved with the lawless one in the end of days.
I believe the holy place is the body of believers, not the Dome of the Rock,

ye are the temple of God.....for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Cor.3:16-17

ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them 2Cor.6:16
 
I can at times handle time travel between OT and NT. Some need more help than others. I do not use the color coded method.
GOD uses colors. Revelation 4:v.2-3
2 Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a RAINBOW round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Keep up the posts.
Thank you for your kindness.
 
GOD uses colors. Revelation 4:v.2-3
2 Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a RAINBOW round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Thank you for your kindness.
GOD uses colors. Revelation 4:v.2-3
2 Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a RAINBOW round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Thank you for your kindness.
IMHO Jesus is on the throne of our heart. Wikipedia conduction system of the heart.

The viscera surrounding the heart of a slaughtered animal glisten in the sunlight with a rainbow of colors.

The foundation stones of the New Jerusalem have precious stones.

These I know of.

eddif
 
I believe the holy place is the body of believers, not the Dome of the Rock,

ye are the temple of God.....for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Cor.3:16-17

ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them 2Cor.6:16
I agree, but the actual Temple mount was/is holy unto God no matter what is sitting on it.

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 
True, true. Except, that this already happened. The prophecies in the gospels are a reference to A.D. 70 (which is no issue, since they were probably all written after A.D. 70; virtually every scholar agrees at least that every gospel but Mark is written after A.D. 70; Mark is sometimes thought have been written just before). As for the prophecies in Daniel, those are a reference to the tribulations under Antiochus. Once again those have already happened.

I didn't have a good answer for this the other day, but I do now. So Daniel was written after the fact huh?

I have spotted the giant hole in your theory. It's called the Septugant. The translated all those books into Greek in...285 BC....Daniel was among them in the translated books.

Boom, goes your theory.
 
I didn't have a good answer for this the other day, but I do now. So Daniel was written after the fact huh?

I have spotted the giant hole in your theory. It's called the Septugant. The translated all those books into Greek in...285 BC....Daniel was among them in the translated books.

Boom, goes your theory.
Wrong. The Torah section of the Septuagint was indeed translated mid 3rd century. But the rest of it was translated over many decades, and Daniel must obviously have been translated some time after it was written, so it has to be one of the books translated late. Get your facts straight next time.
 
I agree, but the actual Temple mount was/is holy unto God no matter what is sitting on it.

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
I hear you, but the "land" being healed is the believers themselves,

he shall be like a tree Psa.1:3

because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary Eze.47:12

that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it Lk.8:15

It's possible an antichrist will enter a man made temple, "so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himselfthat he is God." 2Thes.2:4

But it can also mean that the man of sin infiltrates the church. Regardless there is no man made structure where God will dwell, because


the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Rev.21:22
 
Wrong. The Torah section of the Septuagint was indeed translated mid 3rd century. But the rest of it was translated over many decades, and Daniel must obviously have been translated some time after it was written, so it has to be one of the books translated late. Get your facts straight next time.

I know what you're talking about. That the dead sea scrolls was missing bits of Daniel and a later translator edited in the missing verses! But that was around 137 (?) BC at the time of the Maccabean revolt. So you misread something, somewhere. Even your beloved Wikipedia says it was 107 BC. SO Daniels prophecies about the temple being destroyed were not written after 70AD.
 
I know what you're talking about. That the dead sea scrolls was missing bits of Daniel and a later translator edited in the missing verses! But that was around 137 (?) BC at the time of the Maccabean revolt. So you misread something, somewhere. Even your beloved Wikipedia says it was 107 BC. SO Daniels prophecies about the temple being destroyed were not written after 70AD.
I'm not sure your point.
 
I'm not sure your point.

That's for sure! The point is, you have been shown to be wrong. Yeah some people had the theory for awhile that Daniel was written after the fact, but they only thought that because it is so darn accurate.

That theory of after the fact has been decisively put down. So admit you were wrong like a man and we'll move on. No big deal.

Or did you want to do some more girl type bickering over it?
 
That's for sure! The point is, you have been shown to be wrong. Yeah some people had the theory for awhile that Daniel was written after the fact, but they only thought that because it is so darn accurate.

That theory of after the fact has been decisively put down. So admit you were wrong like a man and we'll move on. No big deal.

Or did you want to do some more girl type bickering over it?
The vast majority of scholars agree that Daniel was written late and translated later. The Septuagint is hardly datelined.
 
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