The "End Times"

[for_his_glory]

Your dating of Daniel is about 250 years off, and the Septuagint was written over a much broader time period than that.

I will check again. Thank you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Correct. It was not known in the centuries before. That’s why the birth of the rapture theory dates back to the 19th century but not before. It has done significant damage to the church when the Americans embraced it, according to some.

It would be better to say that your view is just your view, not Jesus’ view. Jesus spoke of two events not connected in Matthew 24, one with ample signs and one with none. They are not the same event. Jesus’ words do not say they are one, but his words actually say the early events were to happen soon after Revelation was written. Those too, are Jesus’ words but in conflict with your view. That’s all I meant. Not all you think is what Jesus thinks, I suspect. Surly most of us would say that of ourselves.

Two different questions.

I disagree. The destruction of the temple and those verses around it end when he starts talking about his return. Then there is no destruction and no signs. Starts at verse 36. No signs and no disaster. That’s over starting verse 36. Verse 36 is the future. Verses 1-35 are now past. That is my view.


The Jews had always kept their culture, their tribes and their faith. They still had their sacrifices and tribes and Mosaic worship. That is now gone for good. And no captivity was what happened in 70 AD. It was horrible beyond anything they’d experienced as described in Rev and Matthew 24. That’s what Josephus described. They weren’t merely carried away. Their culture was destroyed as the judgement of God, the blood of all the prophets required of that generation. That is my view of these matters.

What year do you believe heaven and earth passed away seeing you believe its in the past?

Matthew 24:35 - The Lesson of the Fig Tree

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

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[Dorothy Mae]

What year do you believe heaven and earth passed away seeing you believe its in the past?

Matthew 24:35 - The Lesson of the Fig Tree

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

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The old order was radically changed as Jesus was given all authority in both, something new.

 

[for_his_glory]

It does not cause great tribulation in my home country though because it is my home country that places the abomination that causes desolation in jerusalem as well as all the cities of the nations that attack my home countries military in Jerusalem.

Our armed forces are not going to place the abomination that causes desolation here in the north.

Also Id like to add, our armed forces place the abomination of desolation on the day of the Lord. It is at that time of great distress that the saints in Israel are delivered. It's the end of the persecution of the saints in Israel.

Daniel 12:1 - Michael's Deliverance and the End Times

At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will...

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Daniel 12:2 - Michael's Deliverance and the End Times

And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

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In this verse, Daniel writes at the time of great distress, his people are delivered and the resurection that's place.

Do you not understand that all the world, even where you and I live, is in distress even now and will only wax worse. We as Gentiles are grafted into the branch of Israel as being one body of Christ with He being the head of the body, Romans 11:11-24.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Are y’all sure you want the garden of Eden restored?
I thought we are under a new and better covenant .
In Eden you had continuing life as long as you ate from the physical tree of life. Yes that tree was a type and shadow of Jesus, but not the reality of Jesus Christ. Jesus was slain from the foundation of the earth. One sin in Eden and it was over. Get out of the garden.

Sin no longer has dominion over us, but we still regretfully sin on occasion. The resurrection will bring immortality,and the end of sin. The Eden contract if your did eat of the tree of good and evil you would die. I am not saying our name can not be removed from the lambs book of life, but I am saying we have a better covenant now.

I love you guys and gal, and this is not a declaration of war. Just a redneck making a comment.

eddif

Hello eddif.
To me, the story of Eden in Genesis is like a mirror image of the Kingdom of Heaven, which included the rebellion of sinful angels, but also the forgiveness and restoration of sinful humans. Returning to Eden without rebellion is like our walk with Jesus. Our journey does cause us pain, but that is because we're learning to love people who don't love us and so we have communion with how God feels.
Of course the new covenant is superior because the OT sacrifices remained dead.

 

[Edward]

No, not at all. Jerusalem wasn’t surrounded by armies and the christians didn’t think it was the fulfillment of Matthew 24.

It wasn't. So it isn't fulfilled yet. Wasn't you one saying that all that stuff was fulfilled by 70 AD?

He doesn’t seem to fulfill what men imagine. There are some who exited the faith because they imagined He’d do XYZ, and when He didn’t, they left. It’s dangerous to imagine what He might do instead of seeing what he does do.

I guess I wreck the curve on this one cuz, I'm a man and can attest that I have seen many many times what God does do....in my life, what I have seen and His pattern seems to be no pattern of how He does is. That's where men get wrong thinking. I prayed for xyz and I have this picture in my mind of what I want and how He needs to answer it to my satisfaction....And God says, oh yeah boy, well I'm doing it this way instead and your prayer is still answered but not even close to how I had it prescribed, lol. God wont fulfill all of what men imagine, because most of the time (all?) men are wrong about the best way to do something or even if it would be a righteous thing to do and within God's will.

I don't want to drift too far for an analogy but I guess my point is God tells us what He is going to do, many times but not always because we are on a need to know basis and we prolly don't need to know, lol.

But realistically, God is not going to fail a prophecy because man messed up all the DNA. He created man's DNA. So evem if man lost the records, it's all good. God surely anticipated such a thing so no problem for Him.

I wonder if mankind, given enough time would reach a 100% mixture of human DNA? Let's face it, boys and girls can't be trusted and things happen. So at some point would we all become homogenized?

Uh-oh the Maury Show and DNA court are off the air! No show possible, could be anybody's!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It wasn't. So it isn't fulfilled yet. Wasn't you one saying that all that stuff was fulfilled by 70 AD?

You’ve mistaken my answer. In the years around 70 AD Jerusalem was surrounded by armies and all the Christians saw that as the fulfillment and left. That was fulfilled.

I guess I wreck the curve on this one cuz, I'm a man and can attest that I have seen many many times what God does do....in my life, what I have seen and His pattern seems to be no pattern of how He does is. That's where men get wrong thinking. I prayed for xyz and I have this picture in my mind of what I want and how He needs to answer it to my satisfaction....And God says, oh yeah boy, well I'm doing it this way instead and your prayer is still answered but not even close to how I had it prescribed, lol. God wont fulfill all of what men imagine, because most of the time (all?) men are wrong about the best way to do something or even if it would be a righteous thing to do and within God's will.

Well, the Bible says Moses knew the ways of God. Abraham dud as did David. They knew that his ways are extremely consistent.

But the ways of God are not how He does things but more often why. When and why.

I don't want to drift too far for an analogy but I guess my point is God tells us what He is going to do, many times but not always because we are on a need to know basis and we prolly don't need to know, lol.

“You know not because you ask not.” Most people don’t ask.

But realistically, God is not going to fail a prophecy because man messed up all the DNA. He created man's DNA. So evem if man lost the records, it's all good. God surely anticipated such a thing so no problem for Him.

Man didn’t mess up the tribes, God did. He ended the Mosaic judaism. He ended the tribal records and distinctions. The christians all knew it was the fulfillment. You might think it isn’t but Jesus told them to leave Jerusalem and they did. Good thing.

I wonder if mankind, given enough time would reach a 100% mixture of human DNA? Let's face it, boys and girls can't be trusted and things happen. So at some point would we all become homogenized?

I doubt it. What difference does it? I kind of like the differences.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What year do you believe heaven and earth passed away seeing you believe its in the past?

Matthew 24:35 - The Lesson of the Fig Tree

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

biblehub.com

“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

Are any of that generation still around?

 

[eddif]

Hello eddif.
To me, the story of Eden in Genesis is like a mirror image of the Kingdom of Heaven, which included the rebellion of sinful angels, but also the forgiveness and restoration of sinful humans. Returning to Eden without rebellion is like our walk with Jesus. Our journey does cause us pain, but that is because we're learning to love people who don't love us and so we have communion with how God feels.
Of course the new covenant is superior because the OT sacrifices remained dead.

Well at least someone is talking to me about Eden.
All folks have to do is praise Eden and I go to my little speech. Edward has my number.

What you are saying (IMHO) is you want to go back in time and take the Holy Spirit gifts with you. Kind of a supercharged Adam.

The mirror you speak of has a crack. The covenant of Eden. How are you going to reset the Eden covenant? I suppose the sngel is still on guard duty.

Going back under the law after reading and understanding Hebrews 6 is impossible ( if you received the new covenant).

Sin repent - sin repent round and round the mountain . As opposed to confess sins and He does the work.
Eden is external the kingdom is internal. Adam was a disciple of sorts. The apostles were at Pentecost.

I am in no hurry with all this Eden Adam stuff. Edward learnt me that .

eddif

 

[Edward]

Man didn’t mess up the tribes, God did. He ended the Mosaic judaism. He ended the tribal records and distinctions. The christians all knew it was the fulfillment. You might think it isn’t but Jesus told them to leave Jerusalem and they did. Good thing.

So if it was God that did that then He did it for a reason and He will do whatever is necessary to ressaamble the 12 tribes

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So if it was God that did that then He did it for a reason and He will do whatever is necessary to ressaamble the 12 tribes

Ok Ed. If you want to believe that we likely have now thoroughly discussed the matter. Thanks

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Do you not understand that all the world, even where you and I live, is in distress even now and will only wax worse. We as Gentiles are grafted into the branch of Israel as being one body of Christ with He being the head of the body, Romans 11:11-24.

Where I live is not in distress. I'm planning to buy a new truck in Aug. I don't call that distress at all.

 

[Edward]

Ok Ed. If you want to believe that we likely have now thoroughly discussed the matter. Thanks

Well, why else would He say, the 144,000 are of the 12 Tribes of Israel then?

If it doesn't mean what it says...then what does it mean?

So if all OT prophecies are already fulfilled, then where are right now? In the Millenium?

Why isn't Satan bound if this be the Millenium?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

Are any of that generation still around?

A generation is a people of an age.
This age has not passed.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Well, why else would He say, the 144,000 are of the 12 Tribes of Israel then?

If it doesn't mean what it says...then what does it mean?

A metaphor done to recall the past. The church is biblically a "New Israel", and a reference to the tribes completes the picture.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The old order was radically changed as Jesus was given all authority in both, something new.

What changed? The Romans were in charge in 69 ad, and were still in charge in 71 ad.

The only thing that changed in the entire world was a few of the earth's population was expelled from a tiny sliver of land next to the Mediterranean sea. Nothing major.

 

[Edward]

A metaphor done to recall the past. The church is biblically a "New Israel", and a reference to the tribes completes the picture.

Huh? What does that mean?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What changed? The Romans were in charge in 69 ad, and were still in charge in 71 ad.

The only thing that changed in the entire world was a few of the earth's population was expelled from a tiny sliver of land next to the Mediterranean sea. Nothing major.

Jesus said all authority had been given him. That was not so before.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

A generation is a people of an age.
This age has not passed.

No, it was the generation he was talking to 2000+ years ago. No amount of juggling will get you a generation means 2000+ years. God called the people who didn’t believe a “generation” and it meant exactly what we mean.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Huh? What does that mean?

Read this:

The selection and order of the 12 tribes suggest that the 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel, represent the church. These are not Jacob’s sons, because Dan is left out and Manasseh is included. They are also not the tribes that inherited land in Canaan, for Dan is left out, Levi (the priestly tribe) is included, and Joseph is listed instead of his son Ephraim. Judah, the tribe of the Messiah (5:5), appears first rather than Reuben, the firstborn. The promotion of tribes descended from concubines Bilhah and Zilpah (Gad, Asher, Naphtali) over the sons of Leah and Rachel suggests that those once excluded from privilege are now included.