The "End Times"

[JLB]

I understand that was fulfilled in the battle of the Maccabeans.

You believe Jesus returned with His saints from heaven during the battle of the Maccabeans?

The Day of the Lord is when Jesus comes with His saints and destroys the wicked.


JLB

 

[JLB]

That is the futurist view which you state as a though it were a fact.

I really don’t know what a futurist is, or what their view is.

This is the scriptural view and I state it that way because it is the truth.






JLB

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I really don’t know what a futurist is, or what their view is.

This is the scriptural view and I state it that way because it is the truth.






JLB

Ah, that’s because it’s the only view you know and so it’s easy to think that’s biblical. It has done major problems with it, however. Scripture in future eschatology has verses that don’t fit. All I am doing is suggesting there are scriptural views that others view as true.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You believe Jesus returned with His saints from heaven during the battle of the Maccabeans?

The Day of the Lord is when Jesus comes with His saints and destroys the wicked.


JLB

Jesus isn’t mentioned in those OT verses and the description doesn’t fit the other passages you view as future.

 

[eddif]

Revelation 12:6 ?

Matthew 2:16 kjv
16: Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bjethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
17. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying:
18. In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
19. But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20. Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

The fleeing of the wrath to come may fit Mary, Joseph, and Jesus too.

Prophecy can be fulfilled multible times. Same concept in more than one context.

The seed is the Word of God / Jesus
The ground is men's hearts / Christ in us

There is liberty where Christ is.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Revelation 12:6 ?

Matthew 2:16 kjv
16: Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bjethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
17. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying:
18. In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
19. But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20. Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

The fleeing of the wrath to come may fit Mary, Joseph, and Jesus too.

Prophecy can be fulfilled multible times. Same concept in more than one context.

The seed is the Word of God / Jesus
The ground is men's hearts / Christ in us

There is liberty where Christ is.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

If a prophesy can be fulfilled multiple times, then it tells us nothing. It’s not a sign of anything cause it happens multiple times. Nothing different than otherwise happened.

 

[jerry63935]

Who will be persecuted during the great (persecution) tribulation if not Christians?

soorry but that does not compute

 

[God Is My Judge]

What you wrote above is a tsunamis of lies, all but all you above wrote is in the way the Devil likes. What is written in Revelation, GOD gave unto JESUS to shew exclusively unto His servants, not to the idolaters like you, followers of the MAN Beast of sea, a religious and SATANIC MONSTER having 7 heads, 10 horns, and upon his (10) horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the NAME of blasphemy (Vicarivs Filii Dei - 666 - ; Let him that hath understanding COUNT, YEAH, COUNT - THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CALCULATIONS - yeah, count the NUMBER of the -MAN-Beast of sea: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is 666.

The waters where the Great Whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations of all tongues. It is evident that JESUS -in Revelation- is not saying the NATIONS-THE MANKIND- in this time of Apocalypse, are PHYSICALLY placed on the 7 hills of Rome, but on 7 continents: Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oceania(Austrália), North America, Central America and South America, whose continents (mountains) are formed from the bottom of the seas. THE NATIONS WHERE THE GREAT WHORE SITS ARE LOCATED ON THE 7 CONTINENTS, OF COURSE, not on the 7 hills of the idolater and devilish Vatican City.

The MAN Beast of sea, who has a NAME of blasphemy - Vicarivs Filii Dei - 666 - and all his religious, idolater, and devilish structures will perish in the lake of fire from now on, say, in this time of Apocalypse. By the way, the next Pope to be elected in the days ahead, will be the last - Revelation 19:v.19-20.

You are entitled to your opinion. We all will know for sure who is right and who is wrong at the end of the Day.

 

[JLB]

Ah, that’s because it’s the only view you know and so it’s easy to think that’s biblical.

Actually it’s biblical because it comes from scripture, not “my view” or some other person’s “view”.


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:1-3


Looking at this passage of scripture, do you believe the day of the Lord has already happened in the past, such as 70 AD?


Do you believe the Lord fought against the Romans in 70 AD?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus isn’t mentioned in those OT verses and the description doesn’t fit the other passages you view as future.

So is your answer no, to my question which asked —

You believe Jesus returned with His saints from heaven during the battle of the Maccabeans?

The Day of the Lord is when Jesus comes with His saints and destroys the wicked.




JLB

 

[JLB]

soorry but that does not compute

So you don’t know the answer?


Here is a hint:


Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:13-14





JLB

 

[jerry63935]

So you don’t know the answer?


Here is a hint:


Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:13-14





JLB

this does everyone were not going to agree God people go through the great tribulation after chapter 3 the church is not here chapt 4:1 things which must be hereafter ..after what ? the Church is not here will there be some around ?it appears that way . when we read in 9:6 men will seek death and shall not find it ! that is not a picture of the grace he promised us.. when i read the WRATH OF GOD is revealed against all unrighteousness . if i am saved and have my sins under the Blood i am the righteousness of Jesus Christ nothing i have done but what he has done for me .
it does not measure up punishing those Born again with the lost. end time wrath will be a universal wrath .

we will have tribulation in this world and suffer many things rains on Just and unjust . but there is no universal wrath of God on the saved
so no were not going to agree

 

[jerry63935]

So you don’t know the answer?

i gave the answer many times when i dont reply fully . its not because i dont know the answer. its more because i know the answer i give is rejected no matter what

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So is your answer no, to my question which asked —

You believe Jesus returned with His saints from heaven during the battle of the Maccabeans?

The Day of the Lord is when Jesus comes with His saints and destroys the wicked.




JLB

The expression, “the Day of the Lord” isn’t one 12 hour period in the whole of human history. It is also the day God executes his wrath against a people.

Peter said the prophesy of Joel was being fulfilled in their day, not 2000+ years later. It means the day the just wrath of God is poured out.

When Jesus comes they’ll be no signs nor warnings at all. Just like the days of Noah…life going on normally. No signs. And the flood surprised them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Actually it’s biblical because it comes from scripture, not “my view” or some other person’s “view”.

That’s exactly what everyone says, including cults.

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:1-3

That’s what happened in the Maccabean war.

Looking at this passage of scripture, do you believe the day of the Lord has already happened in the past, such as 70 AD?

The wrath of God poured out? Yes. That is what the “day of the Lord” means.

Do you believe the Lord fought against the Romans in 70 AD?

Why would He? He sent them.

 

[jerry63935]

“the Day of the Lord” isn’t one 12 hour period in the whole of human history. It is also the day God executes his wrath against a people.

yes and i like to say it as the day God has his say-----judgment acts 17:
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Pay day is coming might i add as i said in another post this is a universal world wide judgment

 

[Goldwing]

Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. Revelation 12:6


But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Revelation 12:14


The hermeneutical context is clear, a time, times and a half of time is 3.5 years or 1260 days, which refers to the time of the great tribulation.


This time is referred to by Jesus and finds it’s foundation in Daniel.





JLB

JLB, no such thing as, "hermeneutic context." Yes, the "time, times and a half of time" is mentioned in Dan. 7:25; 12:7, Which I assume you believe in both cases, is during the tribulation.

Before I continue in conversation on this specific unite/span of time, is there any other time unite/span within the prophecies of Dan. and Rev. that you understand to be, "a day for a year?

 

[jerry63935]

"hermeneutic context."

why does folks want to use big words its either Bible or its Not most of the end time arguments is over interpretation. just like osas osnas

 

[Dorothy Mae]

yes and i like to say it as the day God has his say-----judgment acts 17:
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Pay day is coming might i add as i said in another post this is a universal world wide judgment

I actually think the individual judgement is coming for sure. A world judgment only affects those then alive.

 

[eddif]

I actually think the individual judgement is coming for sure. A world judgment only affects those then alive.

Romans 15:1 kjv
1. We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2. Let every one of us please hisneighbour for his good to edification.
3. For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
4. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

If we apply the written previous judgements (of the world) to ourselves, then it becomes personal.

eddif