The "End Times"

[journeymanisnothing]

We have already been ruling and reigning with Christ a the thousand years.

I agree with you. Our Lord showed how he has always reigned in heaven and earth,

for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Lk.6:35

The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. Psa145:9

This is how Jesus reigns over people. He always has. It's funny how his ways are really not the ways of sinners.

 

[JLB]

Zec.14, was a prophecy that would have happened, but because they refused to except Christ as the, "Lamb of God," that prophecy never came to pass, nor will it come to pass in the future because it was a bilateral covenant in which Israel failed to uphold their side of the covenant.

You are severely mistaken.

Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, as the Old Testament “Passover Lamb” indicated.



Zechariah 14 is about Jesus Christ returning at the Day of the Lord, which is called the coming of the Lord; The Second Coming of Christ.


He returns with Hs saints from heaven.


JLB

 

[JLB]

i cant agree with this

Tribulation means persecution, trouble affliction.

Who do you believe is being persecuted during the great tribulation?



Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:13-17

• when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.

• But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

• And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

A times, time, and a half of time refers to 3 1/2 years. This refers to the time of the great tribulation.





JLB

 

[Goldwing]

A times, time, and a half of time refers to 3 1/2 years. This refers to the time of the great tribulation.

Time within prophecy, can be either, "literal" or a "day for a year." Assuming you understand this, state the hermeneutic that requires, A times, time, and a half of time, to be translated as literal time, in Rev.12?

 

[Goldwing]

I agree with you. Our Lord showed how he has always reigned in heaven and earth,

Journeyman, the word reign means, "a period in which a sovereign rules". Our sovereign god the Father/ King of Kings ruled over creation for a time and over Jesus, until 1798 when the Father, excused Himself as sovereigh, and made Jesus soverign to begin the pre-advent judgement of man, and bring an end to sin. (Dan. 7:13-14; Rev. 5:12)

for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Lk.6:35

The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. Psa145:9

This is how Jesus reigns over people. He always has. It's funny how his ways are really not the ways of sinners.

Journeyman, if you were kind to the unthankful and to those who did you evil, and were merciful to all. Would you consider yourself as one who reigns over your fellow neighbor, or one who loves his neighbor?

 

[jerry63935]

A times, time, and a half of time refers to 3 1/2 years. This refers to the time of the great tribulation.

yes and i dont plan on going through the great tribulation which is not for God people

 

[Goldwing]

yes and i dont plan on going through the great tribulation which is not for God people

Jerry, please read Rev7:9-14, and tell me where the, "Great Multitude," came from?

 

[Goldwing]

We have already been ruling and reigning with Christ a the thousand years.

This is after the saints are raised up. Rev. 20: 4-5, "they [saints] came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5)...this is the first resurrection." Were you raised at the first resurrection? So how long now, have you been reigning in heaven with Christ?

 

[ezrider]

This is after the saints are raised up. Rev. 20: 4-5, "they [saints] came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5)...this is the first resurrection." Were you raised at the first resurrection? So how long now, have you been reigning in heaven with Christ?

Sorry to hear you await Rev 20 before you can rule and reign. Some of us were granted this back in Rev 1.

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


"At" is subjective to a singular point in time. I think of it more so as being raise within the first resurrection, that being the resurrection of the Son.

My friend, it seems as though your stories have carried you off from simplicity that is in Christ. The temple of God: it is not some castle in the clouds. Paul informs us in the epistles that WE are the temple of God. When asked, Jesus answered saying the kingdom of heaven comes not with observation, for the kingdom is within you. Jesus, in speaking with his disciples said in my Father's House there are many mansion, and that I go to prepare a place for you. He went to prepare a place for you in your heart, and in doing so removes the stoney heart and gives you a heart of flesh, that you might know the Lord.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

My Father's house is a tent, it is not some castle in the cloud. The Lord's desire has always been to dwell in the hearts of man. If you are not ruling and reigning with Christ in and as an ambassador of His Kingdom, then perhaps it is the second death the stoney heart seeks.

 

[eddif]

Sorry to hear you await Rev 20 before you can rule and reign. Some of us were granted this back in Rev 1.

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


"At" is subjective to a singular point in time. I think of it more so as being raise within the first resurrection, that being the resurrection of the Son.

My friend, it seems as though your stories have carried you off from simplicity that is in Christ. The temple of God: it is not some castle in the clouds. Paul informs us in the epistles that WE are the temple of God. When asked, Jesus answered saying the kingdom of heaven comes not with observation, for the kingdom is within you. Jesus, in speaking with his disciples said in my Father's House there are many mansion, and that I go to prepare a place for you. He went to prepare a place for you in your heart, and in doing so removes the stoney heart and gives you a heart of flesh, that you might know the Lord.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

My Father's house is a tent, it is not some castle in the cloud. The Lord's desire has always been to dwell in the hearts of man. If you are not ruling and reigning with Christ in and as an ambassador of His Kingdom, then perhaps it is the second death the stoney heart seeks.

Wonder if you will allow me to share my thoughts?
The Father is in heaven
The law is promised to be in our heart and mind.

The desperately wicked and decietful heart takes the crucified Christ to make the heart flesh.
The hidden man of the heart ( natural pacemaker, nerve network, looks like a crucified man).

The New Jerusalem of the mind has the tree of life on either side of the river clear as crystal.
The inside of the cerebellum looks like a tree on either side of the river of spinal fluid.

These are but symbols placed in us by God at creation. Our physical life should be directed by our Lord ( the quickening Spirit - Jesus the second Adam).

Our mind of Christ is to receive revelation from heaven.

I am not trying to disagree with you, but just expand our inner imagery that can help us understand His presence in our life you speak of.

Simplicity of human anatomy. Made in His image, and hidden from the foundation of the world. The image is not the ultimate reality though, but just helps us understand. The heart is the ground the Word / Jesus is planted in.

eddif

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Journeyman, the word reign means, "a period in which a sovereign rules". Our sovereign god the Father/ King of Kings ruled over creation for a time and over Jesus, until 1798 when the Father, excused Himself as sovereigh, and made Jesus soverign to begin the pre-advent judgement of man, and bring an end to sin. (Dan. 7:13-14; Rev. 5:12)

Sin is ended as we walk with God,

So, since Christ suffered in the flesh, you also arm yourselves with the same attitude, because the one who has suffered in the flesh has finished with sin, 1Pet.4:1

Journeyman, if you were kind to the unthankful and to those who did you evil, and were merciful to all. Would you consider yourself as one who reigns over your fellow neighbor, or one who loves his neighbor?

Since we're Ambassadors under the command of the King, absolutely. Your problem is, you see reigning in grace as weakness.

 

[ezrider]

The desperately wicked and decietful heart takes the crucified Christ to make the heart flesh.
The hidden man of the heart ( natural pacemaker, nerve network, looks like a crucified man).

The desperately wicked and deceitful heart....

What is it that makes the heart wicked?
And what is the significance that it required them be given a heart of "flesh", taking away the heart of stone?


I don't mean to take this thread off topic. Is this something you would be interested in discussing in a different thread?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So you agree that Zechariah 14 refers to the future Day of the Lord in which the Lord fights against those armies that surround Jerusalem ?

I understand that was fulfilled in the battle of the Maccabeans.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Zechariah 14 is the Day of the Lord; The Second Coming of Christ.


As far as comparing that to “prophecies” in the book of Revelation, I would ask that you are more specific.

Chapter 19:11-21 is the second coming.


JLB

That is the futurist view which you state as a though it were a fact. It was thought by the first century Christians that The destructive judgement in Rev and Matthew happened in 63-70 AD. They knew different facts.

 

[eddif]

The desperately wicked and deceitful heart....

What is it that makes the heart wicked?
And what is the significance that it required them be given a heart of "flesh", taking away the heart of stone?


I don't mean to take this thread off topic. Is this something you would be interested in discussing in a different thread?

The OP is about all prophecy.
The break between old and new testaments is the 400 years of silence. The law in hearts and minds is a major theme of the prophets right before the 400 years.

The thread has gotten to talking about mainly the heart. I was just refreshing all prophecy.

But
To answer your question:
The heart beats correctly when the instructions are followed ( be it physical or spiritual ).

The understanding comes from the mind of Christ in us. The best understanding comes down from above.

To me the physical things I mention are types and shadows, and speak to later realities. The good ground is mens changed hearts.

You said:
“Sorry to hear you await Rev 20 before you can rule and reign. Some of us were granted this back in Rev 1.”

I thought I was supporting your statement.
eddif

 

[eddif]

I don't mean to take this thread off topic. Is this something you would be interested in discussing in a different thread?

You discussed we are the temple. I thought that was a good point. I just went inside us to look at the temple.

eddif

 

[Oseas]

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Here I'll help assuming this is what you are referring to......
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Rev. 17:
3And the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, where I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls. She held in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5And on her forehead a mysterious name was written:

A MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The Mystery Explained

6I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus. And I was utterly amazed at the sight of her.

7“Why are you so amazed?” said the angel. “I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and ten horns.

The seven heads are the G7 nations then ten horns are the ten branches of government of the EU

European Union

This article is part of a series on the

politics and government of
European Union

1Executive

2Legislature

3Judiciary

4 Central Bank

5 Court of Auditors

6Other Bodies

7 Policies and issues

8Elections

9Law

10 European Council

8The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.

9This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
Verse 9 is multifaceted the seven mountains have TWO meanings. Hence, verse 10-"There are also seven kings."
The 7 hills are the G7 nations from which the Harlot Catholic Church wields her power, it is not just from the seven hills of Rome. Italy is included in the G7 nations, so those little seven hills are covered. The reason I said the Beast has more power than the harlot Catholics is because, keep in mind, the Harlot Rides on the back of the Beast. I know Rome sits on seven hills blah, blah, blah. My point is the prophecy is bigger than that and I agree the Catholic Church has become the Mother of all Harlots. I will not however, throw Mother Mary to the side because of that assembly's sins.
Mother of all Harlots means MOTHER concerning size power and reach. That does not mean there are not a lot of little harlot assemblies. She is simply the Mother- like, mother of all wars, mother of all bombs, mother meaning bigger than all the rest. Her power comes from the Beast she rides upon whom she has fornicated with.
The Rev. 17 prophecy is an onion it has many layers but is one.
This part for instance:
10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
John is seeing the reestablishment of Vatican power and its last kings.
John saw the last kings of the Vatican. The Lateran Treaty of 11Feburary 1929 made the Vatican and
Vatican City a Kingdom within a kingdom and gave us its last Kings. It must also be known, the Rothschild banking family has bailed out the Vatican on more than one occasion. The Vatican in their minds, owes them a debt of servitude, gratitude not good enough!

Jorge (Whore Hay)-Pope Francis is the eighth. John's vision is centrally located on the last three. He is told there are
7KINGS (this is important) five have fallen=died, he sees Pope John Paul II who is the ( one who is) he saw
him in a present type of way, seeing him at his reign. Then is told ,the other has not yet come, but when he does he
must remain only a little while-this is Pope Benedict XVI, his reign is short in comparison to PJP2. Not only
that, the accuracy of this understanding is supported by the fact, he himself relinquished his reign (under pressure) before it was time and is the first Pope to do so after the Vatican was reestablished. This supports the statement made to St. John " AND WHEN HE COMES, HE MUST REMAIN ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME". He shortened his reign or at least it was shortened by influencing factors. I say factions. You reap what you sow, should stay out of bed with the kings of the earth.

This brings us to this eighth who is called the beast. That is because this is a beast system appointed Pope.
St. John is told " As for the beast who was (Pagan Rome was in power at one point in time) , and is not( At that point in time -1929, Rome was not powerful in ruling the European world), it is an eighth (With the appointing of the eighth and final king, the pagan Roman empire is back globally) but it belongs to the seven." John is being shown the destruction of the beast system government=Babylon ruled. Pagan Rome was called Babylon by St. Peter because its practices were the same. Moving forward to Mystery Babylon for today, that means the mystery schools - Freemasonry, Illuminati controlled by the Kabbalah practitioners. Follow the money and you find who is in control of the nations.

For today, Jorge ( pope Francis) is a Mystery Babylon transplant. This had to happen because the former pope was not solid against Christianity. He tried to play both sides of the fence in a bad attempt at keeping the Catholic church in power and promoting Christ. Didn't work out! Francis has been put into power by Babylon= Kabbalah practitioners who have gained full control of the Vatican. In order to corrupt by way of a long-standing religious assembly, well you need to fully occupy it. Jorge is its eighth and final king but is of the seven,= of the position before men and completes what was started by them especially PJP2, concerning the dissolution of the faith. One thing to note, PJP2 started out right but changed under Vatican II and the attempted assassination of him scared him enough to promote harlotry. Ratzinger tried to do the two step to preserve but bye, bye!

Jorge is a Rothschild solid implant. He was not legitimately elected.
He will reign for an hour with this beast system government upon the sea= sea of nations. Many are going to be annihilated going to destruction and he to perdition with them. He is not the Man of Sin, simply one of the ten kings which are the crowns on the ten horns. 3 Kings will be replaced tho. Jorge will not be with the beast system out of the earth after the war along with 2 others. He was to only reign for 1hr= phase one. The little horn is rising=growing up, when he reaches maturity, he will enter center stage as the Man of Sin= the false messiah. He is here just not mature. He will rise with the beast out of the earth= out of the manmade bunkers of the earth. New players and powers will rise.

Point: There are many little harlots in here so don't think yourself special.

What you wrote above is a tsunamis of lies, all but all you above wrote is in the way the Devil likes. What is written in Revelation, GOD gave unto JESUS to shew exclusively unto His servants, not to the idolaters like you, followers of the MAN Beast of sea, a religious and SATANIC MONSTER having 7 heads, 10 horns, and upon his (10) horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the NAME of blasphemy (Vicarivs Filii Dei - 666 - ; Let him that hath understanding COUNT, YEAH, COUNT - THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CALCULATIONS - yeah, count the NUMBER of the -MAN-Beast of sea: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is 666.

The waters where the Great Whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations of all tongues. It is evident that JESUS -in Revelation- is not saying the NATIONS-THE MANKIND- in this time of Apocalypse, are PHYSICALLY placed on the 7 hills of Rome, but on 7 continents: Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oceania(Austrália), North America, Central America and South America, whose continents (mountains) are formed from the bottom of the seas. THE NATIONS WHERE THE GREAT WHORE SITS ARE LOCATED ON THE 7 CONTINENTS, OF COURSE, not on the 7 hills of the idolater and devilish Vatican City.

The MAN Beast of sea, who has a NAME of blasphemy - Vicarivs Filii Dei - 666 - and all his religious, idolater, and devilish structures will perish in the lake of fire from now on, say, in this time of Apocalypse. By the way, the next Pope to be elected in the days ahead, will be the last - Revelation 19:v.19-20.

 

[Oseas]

The problem with harlots, big or small, they want to roll in the Christ glow but not serve Christ.
The Harlot wants the glamorous life, money , glitz, gold, fine apparel first places at banquets and assemblies. Problem with that is, without love it doesn't amount to much but a heap of ruin. Like any harlot, religious harlots get handled and used as tools and then are rejected and handed over to destruction by the very men they serve.

The harlot, the RCC, will be cast into the lake of fire together with her ruler - the Beast of sea- a Gentile Beast- by the white horse rider, understand? - Revelation 19:v.19-20

The sentence, the punishment, of the Great Whore, the RCC, which rides UPON the Beast of sea - a Gentile Beast- sea means peoples,and nations, and MULTITUDES OF ALL TONGUES - the righteous PUNISHMENT of the Great Whore - the LAKE OF FIRE - is prophetic, it is written in Revelation 19:v.19-20, among others. By the way, in Revelation 13:v.3
my Lord JESUS left crystal clear tht ONE of the SEVEN heads of the Beast of sea-Gentile Beast-will be wounded to death-Revelation 13v.3 - . Which of the 7 heads of the demonic Beast of sea will be wounded to death? I tell you: It is South America with THE ENTIRE SOUTH AMERICAN POPULATION.

Galatians 6:
8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;

The Scripture you quoted will fulfill LITERALLY against the Beasts of sea and the RCC-Great Whore-as above described.

Rev.17:16
And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
WHO HAS THE REAL POWER OVER THE HARLOT? Exactly! Point made. She should have stuck with Christ.

The question you have said, the Dragon also said equally - Revelation 13:v.4 - the spirit is the same. But I tell that the white horse rider has the real Power over the harlot. He knows that the Dragon - the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah-John 5:v.43-47-, the Beast LIKE A LAMB, a false LAMB of course -Revelation 13:v.11-18 - he will MANIFEST HIMSELF in days to come, and will give to the MAN BEAST OF SEA, the RULER OF THE HARLOT, his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority-Revelation 13:v.2-, so the MAN Beast of sea will be enthroned by the Dragon in Jerusalem IN NEAR FUTURE for 42 months-Revelation 11:v.1-2- , and the wounded head of the Beast will be healed-Revelation 13:v.3 to 9.

It's it.

 

[JLB]

Time within prophecy, can be either, "literal" or a "day for a year." Assuming you understand this, state the hermeneutic that requires, A times, time, and a half of time, to be translated as literal time, in Rev.12?

Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. Revelation 12:6


But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Revelation 12:14


The hermeneutical context is clear, a time, times and a half of time is 3.5 years or 1260 days, which refers to the time of the great tribulation.


This time is referred to by Jesus and finds it’s foundation in Daniel.





JLB

 

[JLB]

yes and i dont plan on going through the great tribulation which is not for God people

Who will be persecuted during the great (persecution) tribulation if not Christians?


The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15





JLB