Zechariah 14 is the Day of the Lord; The Second Coming of Christ.
As far as comparing that to “prophecies” in the book of Revelation, I would ask that you are more specific.
Chapter 19:11-21 is the second coming.
JLB
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Zechariah 14 is the Day of the Lord; The Second Coming of Christ.
As far as comparing that to “prophecies” in the book of Revelation, I would ask that you are more specific.
Chapter 19:11-21 is the second coming.
JLB
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My reasoning is proved when you understand that "bearing sin" doesn't mean, "God saw his Son as sinful." It truly means, "Man saw Gods' Son as sinful."
When evil religious leaders saw Jesus as "accursed", they heaped their sins on him. They mocked him. Spit on him. He bore these sins. Ok?
Zechariah 14 is about the Day of the Lord, the Second Coming of Christ, when Jesus returns from Heaven with His saints to earth and gathers His people at the Resurrection and Rapture, and destroys the ungodly on the last Day… just as Jesus taught in Mark 13, the Olivet Discourse.
Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-5
JLB
There is also a period mentioned in that same prophecy and Isaiah and the Book of Revelation concerning Jerusalem being known as the place of the Lord after the Wrath of the Lamb. After all this great deception, Christ is going to give answer. The enemies of the Lamb will be slain. Ethiopia or from the land of Cush, gifts will be brought to the Lord who will be present over His people on Zion. Those from the land of Cush will walk among the corpses of the slain and the birds and beast of the field will feast on the dead from spring through winter. This is not about the second coming. It is about establishing Israel to its rightful position above all the nations. Isaiah prophisies a time called the Days of a Tree. You are considered young at 100. If you should die at 100 you are considered accursed. No longer shall a baby live for but a couple of days. This has to do with in and outside the womb. No abortion on God's Holy mountain. No illness for His people Israel, no death by shots etc......Then later it says a child shall die at 100. Confusing to most, but not to the Elect. The point of that statement is, a generation of the Elect, their offspring will be in their 100th yr when the remaining of Zachariah's prophecy happens. Believe it or not, there are people here today who will have a season of peace in the Lord.Christ is continuing to make all things new. He will conquer illness in His Elect and reverse the curse and lengthen their lives. That is why you will be considered young at 100. The name of the enemies of our God will be left to us as a curse. We shall build and no one take, we shall have pure children- no human 2.0s and have a time of peace. Our enemies-most will be dead from the six seal or 3 Days of darkness as Catholics call it . The Elect will be like sparks among their stubble afterwards. Stubble does not mean the enemies roots are not there, just cut down and none of their practices present for a season God grants the world for the sake of the Elect .Some of our enemies who will survive, will be in their bunkers in the earth -they will be Nephilim- human 2.0 because they have belived the lies of the fallens ones and accepted the gene alteration under the false belief of eternal life. They are accursed and from then on will not even make it to 100.
After that "certain time of peace"-Mother Mary, the final assult and battle of Armageddon will begin. It is a final battle with the nations against God and His people, Nephilim and fallen angels against His people Israel.
If you attain to the 1,335 days of the Book of Daniel, in the complet true Christian faith you will be granted this time. Will not be for those who reject the mother of God.She is the seal over our hearts and upon our arm that brings about the name of God upon our minds in completion- Zion, the pinnacle of the faith on earth. Not the pseudo zion either that is Kabbalah based and Luciferian. True Zion!
If you have made it doctrine to reject the Mother of Christ, you reject Wisdom. In Christ is our Wisdom -that means you are granted access to His mother who is like a tree of life to those who cling to her. We must love her and cling to her as the Male child of Revelation 12 did. " Oh, what God has in store for those who love Him." To love God as He requires you must too exalt who He exalts and love who He favors. A paritial Christianity is not Christianity at all. I Pray the Lord finds your works complete before the Wrath of the Lamb. Then you will see the Lion of Judah coming upon the clouds of Heaven at His second coming. It is then that Christ will completely vanquish His enemies and a portion of the Elect will be snatched up- transformed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye like His mother. It's an instant death and resurrection. Blessings.
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Yes, GOD is your Judge. The Word is GOD, understand? John 1:v.1
And GOD - JESUS - said: Matthew 12:v.36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. (We are living in the seventh Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of the Judgment Seat of Christ) https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...xactly-240-years-in-the-jewish-calendar.2354/
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Your thinking is from a human and devilish perspective, it's from a terrible and satanic idolatry, actually a stumblingblock; your thinking is not from God's perspective as is written in Matthew 16:v.22-23.
Be sure that Mary, JESUS's mother, died and was buried and she is waiting the resurrection of the dead that is to happen now in this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, understand? John 11:v.23-24
In fact, the doctrine of Catholicism that was spread by the Beast of sea around the world, through the Great Whore, the RCC, which rides upon the Beast of sea, yeah, its doctrine is a disguised SPIRITISM. The followers of Catholicism INVOKE the defuncts and its images in their orison/preces, as the same manner the SPIRITISTS which INVOKE the dieds in their satanic cults around a table in their houses or in a spiritist "temple", like the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritists synagogue of the esoteric and kabbalistic Judaism.
It is interesting that the spiritists invoke the deads in their cults like the king Saul made, and all the high hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church and their followers also invoke the deads and call them in their preces like a disguised spiritism. They are lost.
Today the idols are made not only of the clay of the earth, but of every kind of the dust or metalic materials of the earth, at last the MAN was/is also made by the dust of ther earth, yeah, to whorship Mary or Pope is a SATANIC idolatry.
Who is the main MOTHER of JESUS? Even He Himself answer this question: Luke 8:v.1&4 & 19-21
It came to pass that JESUS went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the Kingdom of GOD: and the twelve were with him, and when much people were gathered together, and were come to JESUS out of every city, he spake by a parable: Then came to JESUS HIS MOTHER and HIS BRETHREN, and could not come at Him for the multitude. And it was told Him by certain which said, Thy MOTHER and thy BETHREN stand without, desiring to see thee. Then JESUS said unto them: My MOTHER and my BRETHREN are these which hear the Word of God, and do it.
The followers of the Beast of sea, having 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his 7 heads the NAME OF BLASPHEMY -Vicarivs FiLii Dei - 666 - they are ruled and guide by a blind MAN Beast, the Beast of sea, through the RCC that rides upon the Beast, who has a NAME of blasphemy, and very soon no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the NAME of the Beast -Vicarivs FiLii Dei-, or the number of his NAME- 666 - Revelation 13:v.17.
Be careful, or get ready due the literal fulfillment of Revelation 21:v.8
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You are entitled to your opinion. The Beast is much bigger than the Catholic Church harlots but carry on.
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Here I'll help assuming this is what you are referring to......
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Rev. 17:
3And the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, where I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls. She held in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5And on her forehead a mysterious name was written:
A MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
The Mystery Explained
6I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus. And I was utterly amazed at the sight of her.
7“Why are you so amazed?” said the angel. “I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
The seven heads are the G7 nations then ten horns are the ten branches of government of the EU
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8The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.
9This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
Verse 9 is multifaceted the seven mountains have TWO meanings. Hence, verse 10-"There are also seven kings."
The 7 hills are the G7 nations from which the Harlot Catholic Church wields her power, it is not just from the seven hills of Rome. Italy is included in the G7 nations, so those little seven hills are covered. The reason I said the Beast has more power than the harlot Catholics is because, keep in mind, the Harlot Rides on the back of the Beast. I know Rome sits on seven hills blah, blah, blah. My point is the prophecy is bigger than that and I agree the Catholic Church has become the Mother of all Harlots. I will not however, throw Mother Mary to the side because of that assembly's sins.
Mother of all Harlots means MOTHER concerning size power and reach. That does not mean there are not a lot of little harlot assemblies. She is simply the Mother- like, mother of all wars, mother of all bombs, mother meaning bigger than all the rest. Her power comes from the Beast she rides upon whom she has fornicated with.
The Rev. 17 prophecy is an onion it has many layers but is one.
This part for instance:
10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
John is seeing the reestablishment of Vatican power and its last kings.
John saw the last kings of the Vatican. The Lateran Treaty of 11Feburary 1929 made the Vatican and
Vatican City a Kingdom within a kingdom and gave us its last Kings. It must also be known, the Rothschild banking family has bailed out the Vatican on more than one occasion. The Vatican in their minds, owes them a debt of servitude, gratitude not good enough!
Jorge (Whore Hay)-Pope Francis is the eighth. John's vision is centrally located on the last three. He is told there are
7KINGS (this is important) five have fallen=died, he sees Pope John Paul II who is the ( one who is) he saw
him in a present type of way, seeing him at his reign. Then is told ,the other has not yet come, but when he does he
must remain only a little while-this is Pope Benedict XVI, his reign is short in comparison to PJP2. Not only
that, the accuracy of this understanding is supported by the fact, he himself relinquished his reign (under pressure) before it was time and is the first Pope to do so after the Vatican was reestablished. This supports the statement made to St. John " AND WHEN HE COMES, HE MUST REMAIN ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME". He shortened his reign or at least it was shortened by influencing factors. I say factions. You reap what you sow, should stay out of bed with the kings of the earth.
This brings us to this eighth who is called the beast. That is because this is a beast system appointed Pope.
St. John is told " As for the beast who was (Pagan Rome was in power at one point in time) , and is not( At that point in time -1929, Rome was not powerful in ruling the European world), it is an eighth (With the appointing of the eighth and final king, the pagan Roman empire is back globally) but it belongs to the seven." John is being shown the destruction of the beast system government=Babylon ruled. Pagan Rome was called Babylon by St. Peter because its practices were the same. Moving forward to Mystery Babylon for today, that means the mystery schools - Freemasonry, Illuminati controlled by the Kabbalah practitioners. Follow the money and you find who is in control of the nations.
For today, Jorge ( pope Francis) is a Mystery Babylon transplant. This had to happen because the former pope was not solid against Christianity. He tried to play both sides of the fence in a bad attempt at keeping the Catholic church in power and promoting Christ. Didn't work out! Francis has been put into power by Babylon= Kabbalah practitioners who have gained full control of the Vatican. In order to corrupt by way of a long-standing religious assembly, well you need to fully occupy it. Jorge is its eighth and final king but is of the seven,= of the position before men and completes what was started by them especially PJP2, concerning the dissolution of the faith. One thing to note, PJP2 started out right but changed under Vatican II and the attempted assassination of him scared him enough to promote harlotry. Ratzinger tried to do the two step to preserve but bye, bye!
Jorge is a Rothschild solid implant. He was not legitimately elected.
He will reign for an hour with this beast system government upon the sea= sea of nations. Many are going to be annihilated going to destruction and he to perdition with them. He is not the Man of Sin, simply one of the ten kings which are the crowns on the ten horns. 3 Kings will be replaced tho. Jorge will not be with the beast system out of the earth after the war along with 2 others. He was to only reign for 1hr= phase one. The little horn is rising=growing up, when he reaches maturity, he will enter center stage as the Man of Sin= the false messiah. He is here just not mature. He will rise with the beast out of the earth= out of the manmade bunkers of the earth. New players and powers will rise.
Point: There are many little harlots in here so don't think yourself special.
The problem with harlots, big or small, they want to roll in the Christ glow but not serve Christ.
The Harlot wants the glamorous life, money , glitz, gold, fine apparel first places at banquets and assemblies. Problem with that is, without love it doesn't amount to much but a heap of ruin. Like any harlot, religious harlots get handled and used as tools and then are rejected and handed over to destruction by the very men they serve.
Galatians 6:
8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;
Rev.17:16
And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
WHO HAS THE REAL POWER OVER THE HARLOT? Exactly! Point made. She should have stuck with Christ.
The Harlot wants the glamorous life, money , glitz, gold, fine apparel first places at banquets and assemblies. Problem with that is, without love it doesn't amount to much but a heap of ruin. Like any harlot, religious harlots get handled and used as tools and then are rejected and handed over to destruction by the very men they serve.
Galatians 6:
8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;
Rev.17:16
And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
WHO HAS THE REAL POWER OVER THE HARLOT? Exactly! Point made. She should have stuck with Christ.
Note: Rev.18:4
4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.
"Come out of her, My people," That's right a remnant out of her are called His people. They will be made spotless and too be given a new name. They will not jump from that frying pan to the fire by answering the voice of another. Their Lord is their Redeemer.
Since we are talking about harlotry there first needs to be an actual union with Christ. Otherwise, the Catholic Church was simply always an abomination- like all other religions. So, clearly, this smack doctrine posed by some, that states the Roman church was always a harlot is simply not true. And this doctrine by certain people, which teaches people to reject the Blessed mother is simply a bunch of straw doctrine- perfect for the fire.
19Then his mother and his brothers came to him, but they could not reach him because of the crowd. 20And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you.” 21But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”
Are you suggesting Oseas, that Christ is saying His mother and brothers did not hear the word of God, and do it? I dare not think so. But since you did, let me edify you a bit or a lot! Why would someone interrupt Christ? To that person it was more important to tell Christ about His mother and brothers because he held them in high regard because of their relationship with Christ. So, Christ is stating something concerning inclusivity, not exclusivity. The people held Christ's family in high regard, as they should, and Christ is saying why they or anyone is called family. It is as is stated all through the NT why Mother Mary and anyone is blessed. It is for hearing the word of God and acting on it, doing it! He is not disrespecting His family, they are always with Him. Christ was moving from town to town, they followed Him everywhere, the crowd would not be. He was establishing the crowds highest good, which is to emulate who they held in high regard. They heard the word and obeyed! He was teaching the crowd that is how you are like his mother, and brothers and sisters. But for sure there is nothing in the scriptures which says disrespect Christ's mother. That is foolishness. You are projecting your disrespectful thoughts into those verses to suit your beguilement.
Another misconstrued account by the beguiled folks.
And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Luke 11:27-28
Again, Christ is saying the same thing- why Mary, or anyone is blessed.
I hear these silly rebuttals all the time from those who have a problem with those who honor the Mother of Christ. Is anyone listening to the words? “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
The Lord is not disrespecting His Elect Mother, rather is correcting the woman as to WHY she or anyone is blessed.
Mary Visits Elizabeth Luke 1:45
"Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord’s word to her will be fulfilled.” She is blessed for hearing the word of God and obeying. She put faith in the words spoken to her, not her breast or her womb but her heart obeyed. That is why she and any one of us is blessed.
4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.
"Come out of her, My people," That's right a remnant out of her are called His people. They will be made spotless and too be given a new name. They will not jump from that frying pan to the fire by answering the voice of another. Their Lord is their Redeemer.
Since we are talking about harlotry there first needs to be an actual union with Christ. Otherwise, the Catholic Church was simply always an abomination- like all other religions. So, clearly, this smack doctrine posed by some, that states the Roman church was always a harlot is simply not true. And this doctrine by certain people, which teaches people to reject the Blessed mother is simply a bunch of straw doctrine- perfect for the fire.
This is a poorly understood dialogue on your part.
19Then his mother and his brothers came to him, but they could not reach him because of the crowd. 20And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you.” 21But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”
Are you suggesting Oseas, that Christ is saying His mother and brothers did not hear the word of God, and do it? I dare not think so. But since you did, let me edify you a bit or a lot! Why would someone interrupt Christ? To that person it was more important to tell Christ about His mother and brothers because he held them in high regard because of their relationship with Christ. So, Christ is stating something concerning inclusivity, not exclusivity. The people held Christ's family in high regard, as they should, and Christ is saying why they or anyone is called family. It is as is stated all through the NT why Mother Mary and anyone is blessed. It is for hearing the word of God and acting on it, doing it! He is not disrespecting His family, they are always with Him. Christ was moving from town to town, they followed Him everywhere, the crowd would not be. He was establishing the crowds highest good, which is to emulate who they held in high regard. They heard the word and obeyed! He was teaching the crowd that is how you are like his mother, and brothers and sisters. But for sure there is nothing in the scriptures which says disrespect Christ's mother. That is foolishness. You are projecting your disrespectful thoughts into those verses to suit your beguilement.
Another misconstrued account by the beguiled folks.
And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Luke 11:27-28
Again, Christ is saying the same thing- why Mary, or anyone is blessed.
I hear these silly rebuttals all the time from those who have a problem with those who honor the Mother of Christ. Is anyone listening to the words? “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
The Lord is not disrespecting His Elect Mother, rather is correcting the woman as to WHY she or anyone is blessed.
Mary Visits Elizabeth Luke 1:45
"Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord’s word to her will be fulfilled.” She is blessed for hearing the word of God and obeying. She put faith in the words spoken to her, not her breast or her womb but her heart obeyed. That is why she and any one of us is blessed.
Opinion is good for nothing. What matters is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, do you understand? Yeah, the Word is GOD. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from above is above all-John 3:v.31.
JESUS said: Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:v.23
GOD said, Let there be light: and there was light. And GOD saw the light, that it was good: and GOD DIVIDED the light from the darkness - Genesis 1:v.3-4. Isaiah prophesied: The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined-Isaiah 9:v.2. But the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not-John 1:v.5.
Then GOD said: Let there be a firmament IN THE MIDST of the waters, and let it DIVIDE the waters from the waters. And God DIVIDED the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so-Genesis 1:v.6-7. Waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues. Well, as JESUS said, Ye are from beneath; I am from above. And John wrote: He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from above is above all-John 3:v.31:
Why does GOD divided the waters from the waters? Well, as GOD revealed to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam, in JESUS, i.e. in the beginning, He created heaven-that is the firmament- and Moses wrote that darkness was upon the face of the deep (where was the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, and now in this time of Apocalypse, he is called red Dragon, and besides Satan were also in the deep all those which were cast out from the Garden of GOD, the Eden, and their generations too-Genesis 6:v.1to 8) , but the Spirit of GOD moved upon the face of the WATERS, do you understand? Why does GOD divided the waters from the waters? It because GOD had divided the light from darkness-Genesis 1:v.3-4. Waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues. Revelation 17:v.15 -The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
All the population of all tongues around the world, the population of Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America - i.e. the population of these 7 continents, all them are in darkness, EXCEPT the true believers in Christ JESUS, all are in the darkness of the deep, as is revealed: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth(where the Roman Catholic Church sits, i.e. 7 continents), are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Now, in the current time, the deep is called BOTTONLESS PIT, where Satan will be cust down that he should deceive the nations no more through his religions such as the Catholicism or false Christianism, Judaism, Spiritism, Islamism, Budhism, or Atheism, among many other satanic strategy and wiles of the Devil.
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JLB, I'll share what I see as some of the difference in how the setting up of God's earthly kingdom will be far different according to the many prophecies in Rev., than what it would have looked like had Israel fulfilled all that God had planned for them, according to Zer.14.
I think many christians fail to understand that Father God never rules over His creation based on His foreknowledge. But rather out of respect for us to make choices, either based on love, and obedience toward Him, or disobedience and rebellion toward Him. The final outcome of how God would establish His earthly Kingdom rested with Israel's choice to either obey or disobey God's leading. Zec.14, was a prophecy that would have happened, but because they refused to except Christ as the, "Lamb of God," that prophecy never came to pass, nor will it come to pass in the future because it was a bilateral covenant in which Israel failed to uphold their side of the covenant.
Now let me mention what the many prophecies of Rev. reveal about how God will now set up His Kingdom.
First, there is no mention in Zec.14, of the seven seals, seven trumpets, the 144,000, the two witness, the false prophet, the beast with seven heads and ten horns, the beast that comes up out of the earth, Babylon, mark of the beast, or the bowl judgements (seven last plagues).
Yes, Zec.14, mentions Christ coming, but that's because Christ had not yet been born, if was yet future from the time of Zechariah ministry (520-518 BC.).
Second, According to 1Thes. 4:13-18, Christ comes down from heaven and He never touches the earth, the saints are not with Him, as He calls them up from their graves to meet Him in the air, then to joint the Father in heaven. This is the first resurrection.
At Christ coming the wicked, lead by Satan and his fallen angles try to destroy Jesus and His army,(angles) but Jesus overcomes the beast( that comes up out of the earth, Rev. 13:11, and false prophet, both titles refer to Satan) for having deceived the wicked into receiving his mark, 666. Jesus then throws Satan into the lake of fire,(the body he uses after he is released from the spirit realm/abyss, (see Rev.9:1-11) during the one thousand years the saints reign with Christ in heaven, and the wicked rest in death here on earth. After the thousand years are ended then Satan and the wicked are raised to face their sentencing part of Gods Judgement (Rev.20)
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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (Rev 20:7-8)
Can you tell me where else in the scripture it discusses this specific time period, at the end of the thousand years when the devil goes out to deceive the nations? After ruling and reigning with Christ for a thousand years, how do you suppose the devil could then deceive the nations?
I can not.
Starting from Rev. 20:4, we are informed that the saints are raised up to reign with Christ a thousand years, at the same time the wicked lie in death on this earth a thousand yrs.
Why the thousand years between the first resurrection and the second for the wicked? Because during this time the saints get to view the records of their loved ones and friends and to learn why Jesus ruled as He did regarding their eternal destination. Too, they will rule with Christ, and determine the amount of time that each wicked person must suffer in Hell in restitution for their unforgiven sins. (1 Cor. 6:2)
At the end of the thousand years, New Jerusalem, filled with the saints comes to earth, this is when Satan, the fallen angels, are again released from the spirit realm and give bodies, the wicked are raised in the second resurrection and the Great White Throne Judgement is conducted. This is where God reveals to the wicked their deeds as recorded in the books of deeds by which they were judged earlier, prior to His second coming. Afterward, they all bow before Him and confess that He has been fare and just, in His judgement of them.
Then God reveals to Satan, the fallen angels, and the wicked, there punishment or amount of restitution they must pay toward God and their victims of whom they committed sinful acts. After hearing their punishment Satan, and the fallen angels, gather the wicked to storm New Jerusalem to destroy Jesus and His saints who are inside.
(God the Father has purposely planed this judgement in such a way that the saints can witness that even after a sinner has reviewed their own life's record and confess it is true, and that God is just in His judgement, that still they will not repent of their evil ways, just like Satan and the fallen angels. They then will know that God is just in destroying the wicked.)
Jesus will halt the advance of Satan and the wicked bent on destroying God's holy city and His saints by calling down Hell fire from heaven in which they are all consumed after they each have made the proper restitution for their sins.
Afterwards, when the earth has been purified by the fires of Hell. and all traces of sin have been consumed, the saints will witness Jesus recreate a new heaven and earth, then throw open all the gates of the city and say to the saints,
this is your inheritance, go forth and inhabit.
ezrider
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Thank you for the honest response. There are none that I know of in the scripture either. Only types and examples. But the question isn't only for you. I'm curious if anyone else is aware of any other scriptures akin to Rev 20:7-8 were the devil is released to deceive the nations at the end of the thousand years.
ezrider
Member
We have already been ruling and reigning with Christ a the thousand years.
This sounds like a lot of nice story telling, but it smacks of something I've heard before. Have you studied with the Shepherds Chapel?
That is impossible since the thousand years is a specific period of time between the first and second resurrection.
Never heard of them. But does the story as you call it, make sense, and at the same time would it in your mind be consistent with a God of love, who is transparent with His creation?
ezrider
Member
Your unbelief does not make it impossible.
Do you consider yourself to be born again?
Nope, it's just a story amongst many others. Perhaps we should just stick with the simplicity that is in Christ. The story you told did not actually address my question to you, and it was a specific question: After ruling and reigning with Christ for a thousand years, how do you suppose the devil would go about deceiving the nation?