The "End Times"

[eddif]

No I'm not. At least, I didn't mean to. I meant to say that Noah and the flood are analagous to the reapture and tribulation period.

“They died!”
I was looking at the mark (!).

I would say at the time of Noah they died.

At judgement they will die! (2nd death).

Jobs children died, but at the resurrection they will be alive!

Revelation 20:6 kjv
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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[Edward]

How do you see that?

In Matthew 24:37. It say so.

 

[Edward]

Why do you say this? Some background: It was said in the 70s that the fig tree is Israel and 40 years after its founding, Jesus will
come because that was a sign. Now 80 years later he still hasn’t come.

I'd have to say that, they were wrong in the 70's...??

 

[Edward]

“They died!”
I was looking at the mark (!).

I would say at the time of Noah they died.

At judgement they will die! (2nd death).

Jobs children died, but at the resurrection they will be alive!

Revelation 20:6 kjv
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

eddif

Do you agree that the olivet discourse talks about two different events happening, and not just one?

If it was one event, it would contradict itself.
At the rapture, Jesus comes like a thief in the night.
At the 2nd coming, every eye on earth will see Him...

That's one example. I found my notes, so I have plenty more scriptures if you like.

 

[eddif]

Do you agree that the olivet discourse talks about two different events happening, and not just one?

If it was one event, it would contradict itself.
At the rapture, Jesus comes like a thief in the night.
At the 2nd coming, every eye on earth will see Him...

That's one example. I found my notes, so I have plenty more scriptures if you like.

I tend toward a similar message fitting many different contexts / levels.
I deal more with the New Jerusalem. I have
to admit I seem to be on a different path at times.

We need some new folks to help. I once heard that you can sit soak and sour. (Grow weary)

eddif

 

[Edward]

I tend toward a similar message fitting many different contexts / levels.
I deal more with the New Jerusalem. I have
to admit I seem to be on a different path at times.

We need some new folks to help. I once heard that you can sit soak and sour. (Grow weary)

eddif

I believe what we have here, is two camps. One camps is eschatologically allegorical in their reading of the bible, and the other camp, which is eschatologically literal readers of the bible.

I am in the literal camp. Every time I (finally) realize the truth about an issue that I had been wrong about it seems like I was wrong because I wasn't reading it lterally enough at first.

 

[Edward]

I seem to be on a different path at times.

Same path. Different locations on the same path. Sometimes I see those that I am in front of, because I used to be there myself so recognize it...and sometimes I see those that I am behind on the path. Still other times I hear another and we know we are close...but is it I that is slightly strayed or is he? 2

And right now, I have come to a place on the path that I'm believing that the rapture is pre trib, (mid trib but before the great tribulation. And we have to pay close attention, and pray and use a concordance liberally when we read. Most of us prolly do ot know the intricacies of the greek and hebrew languages. And I tink tis contributes to the confusion and many people think it speaks of one event, with the rapture being at the 2nd coming. These scriptures are speaking of two events. The rapture, and His 2nd coming. The scriptures that I think all speak of the rapture are:

Rapture:
John 14:1-3
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:21-23
Philippians 3:20-21
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19; 5:9-10, 23
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Timothy 6:14
Hebrews 9:28
James 5:7-9
1 Peter 1:7, 13
1 John 2:28-32
Jude 21
Revelation 2:25; 3:10

I have 2nd coming scriptures listed too that I have but, it's late. Tomorrow is another day. This is enough for now to keep you busy, lol.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'd have to say that, they were wrong in the 70's...??

You got it. They’re still wrong today.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

In Matthew 24:37. It say so.

No, Jesus said that like in the days of Noah, there will be no signs at all before he comes again. Life will be going on with marrying and so on. There won’t be hard times. He’s not coming to rescue nor in a military take over.

Before the flood there were no signs. Life was going on. So shall it be.

 

[eddif]

No, Jesus said that like in the days of Noah, there will be no signs at all before he comes again. Life will be going on with marrying and so on. There won’t be hard times. He’s not coming to rescue nor in a military take over.

Before the flood there were no signs. Life was going on. So shall it be.

How would you say this in seven different languages?
Pardon
Excuse me
Say what
You’ve got to be kidding …..LOL

Genesis 6:5 kjv
5. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The sign of the times……:
Depravity

The sign of the time was so strong God was ready to destroy all mankind / humanity he had created.

Total depravity in the time of Noah. Not since that time. Oh it gets worse in some generations, but the sign of the rainbow is still with us as a reminder today. The sign of meat eating is still with us.

If a briar scratched, bug bitten, Covid attacked Mississippi redneck can see this….

Surely a person of science (such as yourself) can see the evidence of the flood, and the geological evidence of change.
God left.
Signs

eddif

 

[Edward]

No, Jesus said that like in the days of Noah, there will be no signs at all before he comes again. Life will be going on with marrying and so on. There won’t be hard times. He’s not coming to rescue nor in a military take over.

Before the flood there were no signs. Life was going on. So shall it be.

Right. But He's talking about the rapture and not the 2nd coming.

When Israel signs a 7 year peace treaty then it told us in Daniel 9 (I think) that it will be 1260 days until the fret tribulation starts and 1260 days of that until the 2nd coming. And everybody is at war when He gets here.

I'm still sort of waking up. Give me a few here. Lol

 

[Edward]

the sign of the rainbow is still with us as a reminder today.

It sure is. That was the covenant where God said, I wont interfere with mans affairs anymore...

Unless you ask me to.
You have not because you ask not.

 

[eddif]

No, Jesus said that like in the days of Noah, there will be no signs at all before he comes again. Life will be going on with marrying and so on. There won’t be hard times. He’s not coming to rescue nor in a military take over.

Before the flood there were no signs. Life was going on. So shall it be.

Who said this?
2 Peter 3:4 kjv
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they werefrom the beginning of the creation.


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[eddif]

I can only assume you are a preterist as they believe all prophecy has been fulfilled, God's judgement has happened and that Jesus has already returned. If He has already returned then why are we not with Him in the New Jerusalem?

Jesus rose from the grave and showed Himself to His disciples in the upper room giving them instruction and then He ascended up to heaven in the clouds, Acts 1:1-11. That was not the second coming. Here below is when Jesus said He will return, but yet no one knows the day or the hour of His return..

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You know southerners. Slow thinking, caught in a time warp. Slooow talking, takes forever to get it said.

This is not a confrontation, but a respectful submission of my thoughts.

The resurrected Jesus went from earth to heaven.

We see the New Jerusalem headed from heaven to Earth.
What arrives first is his quickening spirit ( the same spirit that directed Jesus). The new Jerusalem is not totally here yet. Our understanding of it is growing,

Jesus will come down. We shall go up. We will meat in the air.

The day of the crucifixion was the tribulation of the sins of the world placed on Jesus. The darkness, earthquake happened then. Is it Matthew 24:29 totally? I really do not know, but the event is pushed aside often,

If the kingdom of God is in us, that is part of the distance the New Jerusalem has traveled.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Right. But He's talking about the rapture and not the 2nd coming.

The passages defined as the rapture are referring to the resurrection.

When Israel signs a 7 year peace treaty then it told us in Daniel 9 (I think) that it will be 1260 days until the fret tribulation starts and 1260 days of that until the 2nd coming. And everybody is at war when He gets here.

I'm still sort of waking up. Give me a few here. Lol

You’re sweet. I don’t believe any of that. Again please tell me where this is in Revelation, the quintessential eschatology book.

 

[Edward]

The passages defined as the rapture are referring to the resurrection.

If I ever get to the 2nd coming scriptures in my notes and you try to mingle those scriptures together, they will contradict each other.

SOme of this is in the old testament. I'll get to it, but I'm trying to work on my truck some too. So it'll be a few.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If I ever get to the 2nd coming scriptures in my notes and you try to mingle those scriptures together, they will contradict each other.

SOme of this is in the old testament. I'll get to it, but I'm trying to work on my truck some too. So it'll be a few.

Take your time. The end is not near. Jesus isn’t coming anytime soon. The state of the world isn’t there yet.

 

[eddif]

No, Jesus said that like in the days of Noah, there will be no signs at all before he comes again. Life will be going on with marrying and so on. There won’t be hard times. He’s not coming to rescue nor in a military take over.

Before the flood there were no signs. Life was going on. So shall it be.

No signs?
A feller is building a huge boat. I guess in a strange place.
Do not how long it took to build it
Animals started showing up .
Noah put food in ark

God told Noah what would happen.

There were those blind to what was happening. These people saw no signs. They were busy with their lives.

Jesus taught in parables:
So that hearing they might not hear.
So that seeing they might not see.

There was a hidden message in parables.

There was a hidden message in what Noah was doing.

Today the message / signs are available about what will happen. Shrouded in symbolism is a description of what is coming. Several posters are quoting what is going to happen .

To the Church.
Matthew 24:33 kjv
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, evenat the doors.

One group blind, the other group seeing.
2 Peter 2:5 kjv
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned themwith an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed hisrighteous soul from day to day with theirunlawful deeds;)
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

God always let’s his prophets know what is going to happen. God gets in touch with his people.

Maybe I did not say enough?

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No signs?
A feller is building a huge boat. I guess in a strange place.

Still wasn’t a sign. How can it be a sign when no one but Noah knew what was coming?

Do not how long it took to build it
Animals started showing up .
Noah put food in ark

Still wasn’t a sign. The Bible doesn’t say the animals were a sign.

God told Noah what would happen.

God did not give the other people a sign. They weren’t informed.

There were those blind to what was happening. These people saw no signs. They were busy with their lives.

There were no signs. If a man today started building something large, that still isn’t a sign of what is to come. I mean Jesus himself life would be normal. No signs were mentioned.

Jesus taught in parables:
So that hearing they might not hear.
So that seeing they might not see.

There was a hidden message in parables.

There was a hidden message in what Noah was doing.

Not according to God or Noah.

Today the message / signs are available about what will happen. Shrouded in symbolism is a description of what is coming. Several posters are quoting what is going to happen .

Been there seen that. Just see if they they predict happens. That’s all.

To the Church.
Matthew 24:33 kjv
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, evenat the doors.

One group blind, the other group seeing.
2 Peter 2:5 kjv
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned themwith an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed hisrighteous soul from day to day with theirunlawful deeds;)
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

God always let’s his prophets know what is going to happen. God gets in touch with his people.

Maybe I did not say enough?

Yes, those verses refer to the signs before the end of Jerusalem. That had lots of signs. When Jerusalem was surrounded by armies, the believers recognized that sign and left town….all of them. Those signs happened and God rescued all of them.

 

[eddif]

Who said this?
2 Peter 3:4 kjv
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they werefrom the beginning of the creation.


eddif

2 Peter 3:3 kjv
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4.And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they werefrom the beginning of the creation.


We have the promises of his coming.
They have been posted.

eddif