The Eternal Kingdom/Reign of Jesus Christ

The Son is equally God. Jesus Christ is the God Man. That never changes.

You keep saying that (1 Cor. 15:28) is true of the Son only between the time of the incarnation and the end of the present world. If that is so, did the Son, as He was subject to the Father, cease to be God during that time? Did the Son cease to be equal with the Father at that time?

Quantrill

While on earth Jesus gave up equality with God the Father. This is very clear from Philippians 2:5-11

You need to seriously seek the Lord to help you understand all of this as it is clear that you cannot grasp these Mysteries
 
Rev 11:15-17 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Here we see much rejoicing in heaven for the time is now during the sounding of the seventh trumpet that the mystery of God will be finished as he declared this to the prophets, Revelation 10:7. God will make an end to all sinful abominations here on earth against His people as His mighty power will reign as now the blood of the martyred saints will be avenged, Rev 6:10-11. God is about to destroy the enemy for eternity and all the kingdoms or nations of the world will now have become the Kingdoms and nations of God and no man will ever be able to take them out of Gods hands again, John 10:27, 28. The time of Gods longsuffering in His patience for those who need to repent, 2 Peter 3:9, has now come to an end and all glory and honor is given to His name.

We do know by reading scripture that the son of perdition will take his literal seat in Jerusalem causing all to take the mark of this beast, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13. At the sounding of the seventh trumpet this beast will reign for 3 1/2 years being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days.
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

The seven trumpets of Revelation are an end time event that is described throughtout the Bible as "the shaking of the powers of heaven". Isaiah 13:9, 10; Joel 2:2, 30, 31 Amos 8:9; Zephaniah 1:15, 16; Matthew 24:29; Luke 21:25, 26; Acts 2:20; Rev 6:12, 13; 8:6-11:5.

This will be a time of God shaking the heavens and the earth, shaking those that have yet to repent and turn back to Him in as God would hope that none would perish before the second coming of Christ. This shaking of the earth will not affect those who are God's own by faith in Christ as we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption as we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 4:30. It's those who endure until the end that will be saved from being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture does not mention a measuring of time during the sounding of each trumpet. IMO I think they will all be sounded quickly and the seventh brings in the abomination of desolation Jesus warned us to flee from. When God starts shaking the heavens and the earth many will walk in fear and fall prey to the son of perdition who claims he is God and promises peace, safety and provision to all who fear what is happening in the world and will bow down to this beast taking its mark sealing their fate of damnation.

The coming of the Son of Man will be the time when all the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdoms of our Lord at the ending of the seventh trumpet sounding that includes all the events from what we read in Rev 11:15 - Rev 19:11-21.

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Rev 20:1-10 It's during the millennium reign of Christ here on earth that all things are subject to Christ as He destroys the enemy and cast Satan into the lake of fire.
It's not until the seventh trumpet is sounded that the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of God and Christ as He will reign now forever over the nations. Jesus has never literally sat on the throne of David in Jerusalem, but has always been at the right hand of God until all His enemies have become His footstool, Psalms 110:1-4; Isaiah 66:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 2:8; 10:12, 13. This happens when Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords subduing His enemies and destroying the beast and false prophet and binding Satan for a time of prophetic 1000 years, Rev 19-20.
 
While on earth Jesus gave up equality with God the Father. This is very clear from Philippians 2:5-11

You need to seriously seek the Lord to help you understand all of this as it is clear that you cannot grasp these Mysteries

You didn't answer my question. While on earth, did Jesus cease to be God?

Quantrill
 
You didn't answer my question. While on earth, did Jesus cease to be God?

Quantrill

Jesus Christ while on earth, was 100% Almighty God, and 100% human, apart from any sin. Two complete natures, one Person. This is taught in Philippians 2:5-11
 
Jesus Christ while on earth, was 100% Almighty God, and 100% human, apart from any sin. Two complete natures, one Person. This is taught in Philippians 2:5-11

I agree.

Yet you said while Jesus was on earth He gave up 'equality' with God the Father.

At the same time you accuse me of taking away from the Trinity, and that the Son, because He is God, can not be subject to God the Father. He must always be equal.

In other words, you are allowing for a time, from the incarnation to the world to come, where, because Christ is subject to the Father, then He must be less than God. According to you.

For me, I have continually stated that the Son being subject to the Father does not affect the Son's Deity. A subject you continually bring up.

My point....the Son in eternity being subject to the Father does not take away from His being God the Son.

Quantrill
 
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I agree.

Yet you said while Jesus was on earth He gave up 'equality' with God the Father.

At the same time you accuse me of taking away from the Trinity, and that the Son, because He is God, can not be subject to the God the Father. He must always be equal.

In other words, you are allowing for a time, from the incarnation to the world to come, where, because Christ is subject to the Father, then He must be less than God. According to you.

For me, I have continually stated that the Son being subject to the Father does not affect the Son's Deity. A subject you continually bring up.

My point....the Son in eternity being subject to the Father does not take away from His being God the Son.

Quantrill

I urge you to either study Philippians 2:5-8 from the Greek text, in depth; or get some exegetical commentaries, and this will tell you that Jesus "did not consider His being on equality with God a thing to be held on to, but gave it up", as I see the Greek. This is also seen in John 17:5, which I have referred to a few times. Not being "equal" to the Father, is because Jesus was "subject" to Him while on earth. This never could make Jesus in His essential Deity, any "less" of God, than the Father or Holy Spirit.
 
I urge you to either study Philippians 2:5-8 from the Greek text, in depth; or get some exegetical commentaries, and this will tell you that Jesus "did not consider His being on equality with God a thing to be held on to, but gave it up", as I see the Greek. This is also seen in John 17:5, which I have referred to a few times. Not being "equal" to the Father, is because Jesus was "subject" to Him while on earth. This never could make Jesus in His essential Deity, any "less" of God, than the Father or Holy Spirit.

You ignored my post #(26) completely. Typical.

Quantrill
 
To SolaScriptura

Here is an important truth I alluded to in post #(11)

There are three important passages I want to address. (Ps. 40:6-8) "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened:....The said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."

Paul quotes these verses in (Heb. 10:5-9). But he quotes it as this. (Heb. 10:5) "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"

Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, has equated the Son being given a body to the phrase 'mine ears hast thou opened. Why? Because this involves the actions of a Hebrew servant and his master.

See (Ex. 21:2-6). And I can do no better then just type these verses completely. As you read them keep the Son, as a Servant to the Father in mind.

"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

"If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her masters, and he shall go out by himself.

"And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."

The Son taking on a human body and given a wife by the Father, was the Son having his ear bored with an aul. The literal boring possibly being the Crucifixion. The point being, the Son, Jesus Christ, was saying, He loves His wife and children, He refuses to be freed. He will serve forever.

What a wonderful truth is illustrated here for us. Knowing this, it makes the statement in (1 Cor. 15:28) not so foreign or repulsive. "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him"

So, a couple of questions. Does the Son in Heaven at this time have the body He was resurrected with? If so, how long will he have that body?

Quantrill
 
You ignored my post #(26) completely. Typical.

Quantrill

ignored nothing! You are talking about Jesus Christ being eternally "subject" to God the Father, and make the Father the "Greatest" in the Godhead. The Bible says that the Three Persons in the Godhead are eternally 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL. The only "subjectation" with Jesus Christ to the Father, is functional, and temporary, only for the duration of Jesus' Incarnation. But, even during this time, Jesus Christ as Almighty God, even though He was the God-Man, was "equal" to the Father.

In John chapter 5, we read in verse 17-18:

"But Jesus answered them, “My Father is still working, so I am working, too.” For this cause therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God"

The Jews understood what Jesus said and did, that He was clearly showing that He was "equal" to the Father, even while on earth.

In verse 23, Jesus says, while on earth, that if people did not HONOR Him, in exactly the same way (so the Greek), they did the Father; then their HONOR to the Father was not acceptable! Here again it is clear that Jesus claims EQUALITY with the Father!

In chapter 10 Jesus says "I and the Father, we are one" (30), in Will, Power, Authority, Protection, etc, etc
 
It is Hebrews 2:7-9
Hebrews 2:7-9
The one giving (Father) -from whom all things come
The one receiving (Son) -through whom all things come

Who is greater the one gifting these blessings or the one receiving these blessings?

Has the Father ever received from any other being?

What you should see about the Son is that it is the Father who glorifies Him.

The relationship has always been Father and Son. And Jesus has testified in the gospels and in revelation that the Father is His God. He has made us a kingdom of priests, to serve His God and Father.

How is this so? The "Son" is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of Gods being?
"The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him" -Gifted and from the will of another.
If Jesus is not the Father's Son then whose Son is He?

The fullness of the Fathers deity dwells/lives in Jesus and they are one and Jesus is all that the Father is. (God)

A Son who is before all things and through whom the Father made all things. The Father in the Son doing His work.
"all things were made through Him and for Him"

Jesus did not testify that the works He performed state He was God. He testified that the works He performed testify that the Father is in Him and they are one. He testified that the Father is the only true God and His God and our God.

Jesus abides within the framework of His Father's will.
Jesus -For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him

The Father - the only true God has that authority in Himself and has not received from any other being. Clearly Jesus received from the Father who is greater then Him
 
ignored nothing! You are talking about Jesus Christ being eternally "subject" to God the Father, and make the Father the "Greatest" in the Godhead. The Bible says that the Three Persons in the Godhead are eternally 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL. The only "subjectation" with Jesus Christ to the Father, is functional, and temporary, only for the duration of Jesus' Incarnation. But, even during this time, Jesus Christ as Almighty God, even though He was the God-Man, was "equal" to the Father.

In John chapter 5, we read in verse 17-18:

"But Jesus answered them, “My Father is still working, so I am working, too.” For this cause therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God"

The Jews understood what Jesus said and did, that He was clearly showing that He was "equal" to the Father, even while on earth.

In verse 23, Jesus says, while on earth, that if people did not HONOR Him, in exactly the same way (so the Greek), they did the Father; then their HONOR to the Father was not acceptable! Here again it is clear that Jesus claims EQUALITY with the Father!

In chapter 10 Jesus says "I and the Father, we are one" (30), in Will, Power, Authority, Protection, etc, etc

Yes, you ignored it, just like you did post #(11). Just like you now do also with my post #(29).

In post #(26) my point was your contradiction. You believe Christ during His earthly ministry was 100% God, though subject to the Father. I believe (1 Cor. 15:28) that Christ shall be subject to the Father for eternity, but that He still is 100% God. But you claim I take away from the Son in believing that.

Speak to your contradiction which you avoided.

You avoided post #(11) completly. Oh, you replied to it but did not address anything of what was said. You simply went to your usual speech of how I don't understand. Some of what was in post #(11) I mentioned and added to it in post #(29) concerning (Ps. 40:6-8) and (Heb. 10:5-9). Still waiting for you to address that.

The questions in post #(29) are important. Will you answer them? Here they are again.

1.) Does the Son still have the body He was resurrected in?

2.) If so, how long will He have that body?

They are not hard questions. But in light of what was said prior to them, they are very telling.

Quantrill
 
1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awakenings in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus being the right arm of God. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus is the word of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Just like the word Trinity you are not going to find the exact words "God Holy Spirit" written in scripture, but scripture explains there is only one God, not three, as God exist in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three are each God, meaning equal in power, nature and attributes and worthy of the same praise. This doesn't mean there are three gods as there is only one true God. It also doesn't mean that these are different forms of God as each is its own person. It's hard to wrap our heads around this as we can not fully understand God.

The Holy Spirit appears in both the OT and NT. In Genesis 1:2 the Spirt of God was hovering over the waters. In Genesis 1:26 Let us make mankind in our image. The word "us" means God, Son Jesus and Holy Spirit (Trinity=3) all being before the creation of the world.

The Holy Spirit has power and emotions and is active among His people. Isaiah 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit (God Holy Spirit). Nehemiah 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, (God Holy Spirit). Now under the dispensation of God's grace we have God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we are all one in Him and He in us through that of the Spiritual rebirth from above, John 3:5-7; Acts chapter 2; 1 John 4:12-17.


Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20

The eternal kingdom will be that of the New Jerusalem as for now the kingdom of God is within us who are Christ own. It is only when Christ returns that the kingdoms/nations of this world will become His own.
 
Yes, you ignored it, just like you did post #(11). Just like you now do also with my post #(29).

In post #(26) my point was your contradiction. You believe Christ during His earthly ministry was 100% God, though subject to the Father. I believe (1 Cor. 15:28) that Christ shall be subject to the Father for eternity, but that He still is 100% God. But you claim I take away from the Son in believing that.

Speak to your contradiction which you avoided.

You avoided post #(11) completly. Oh, you replied to it but did not address anything of what was said. You simply went to your usual speech of how I don't understand. Some of what was in post #(11) I mentioned and added to it in post #(29) concerning (Ps. 40:6-8) and (Heb. 10:5-9). Still waiting for you to address that.

The questions in post #(29) are important. Will you answer them? Here they are again.

1.) Does the Son still have the body He was resurrected in?

2.) If so, how long will He have that body?

They are not hard questions. But in light of what was said prior to them, they are very telling.

Quantrill

Lets keep it very simple.

Jesus Christ is Almighty God. The Father is Almighty God. The Holy Spirit is Almighty God. Three distinct Persons, One Godhead. 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL, as in the Godhead.

After His Incarnation, Jesus humbled Himself when He became the God-Man, and "submitted", functionally for a limited time only, to the Father.

As Jesus is always Almighty God, in His Deity, He was COEQUAL with the Father. In the Person, the God-Man, as touching His "human nature", He was "subordinate" to the Father, only for a while, till the end of this world.

Jesus Christ, after His conception in the Virgin Mary, took upon His Divine Nature, the nature of humans, apart fromn any sin. He is still in this as the God-Man, in heaven, as it is clear that Stephen in Acts 7, saw Jesus at the Right Hand of the Father.

Whether Jesus will always have His "human nature", throughout eternity, we are not told in the Bible.
 
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

does this mean that The Three are not distinct Persons? Jesus Christ is not the Holy Spirit. It was not the Father who was on the cross.
 
does this mean that The Three are not distinct Persons? Jesus Christ is not the Holy Spirit. It was not the Father who was on the cross.
All three are part of the Godhead as being the union and the workings of God set before us. It's like you have said, Jesus Christ is Almighty God. The Father is Almighty God. The Holy Spirit is Almighty God. Three distinct Persons, One Godhead. 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL, as in the Godhead.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20
 
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Lets keep it very simple.

Jesus Christ is Almighty God. The Father is Almighty God. The Holy Spirit is Almighty God. Three distinct Persons, One Godhead. 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL, as in the Godhead.

After His Incarnation, Jesus humbled Himself when He became the God-Man, and "submitted", functionally for a limited time only, to the Father.

As Jesus is always Almighty God, in His Deity, He was COEQUAL with the Father. In the Person, the God-Man, as touching His "human nature", He was "subordinate" to the Father, only for a while, till the end of this world.

Jesus Christ, after His conception in the Virgin Mary, took upon His Divine Nature, the nature of humans, apart fromn any sin. He is still in this as the God-Man, in heaven, as it is clear that Stephen in Acts 7, saw Jesus at the Right Hand of the Father.

Whether Jesus will always have His "human nature", throughout eternity, we are not told in the Bible.

Keeping it simple is what I do. The simple fact is, you didn't address your contradiction. That is what I asked about.

The next simple fact is, I didn't say anything about a human nature. I asked if Jesus has the same body in Heaven that He had when He was resurrected? I asked how long He would have that body?

The simple fact is that you're avoiding the questions. And for obvious reasons. Just as you have ignored my other posts.

As far as your statement concerning Christ's human nature....you have got to be kidding me. Do you really believe that?

Quantrill
 
Keeping it simple is what I do. The simple fact is, you didn't address your contradiction. That is what I asked about.

The next simple fact is, I didn't say anything about a human nature. I asked if Jesus has the same body in Heaven that He had when He was resurrected? I asked how long He would have that body?

The simple fact is that you're avoiding the questions. And for obvious reasons. Just as you have ignored my other posts.

As far as your statement concerning Christ's human nature....you have got to be kidding me. Do you really believe that?

Quantrill

Then prove me wrong
 
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