The gift of the Word of knowledge.

[mutzrein]

Hmmm just as I suspected....You don't have a clue.....or you have nothing that can be supported by scripture....

Lighten up JG - just my sick sense of humour :

Perhaps you can give us your version :P

 

[jgredline]

I opologize mutz.
Here I will quote myself as to what I believe it is.

The word of knowledge...Hmmm

Simply put what I believe Paul means here is simply this, ''Knowledge refers to the ability to apply doctrinal truth to life''.......Let me explain....A word of knowledge will always in my opinion line up with scripture...or really, it should be scripture or steer you to scripture....I have had people come to me and say, ''Javier I have a ''word'' for you from the Lord''....I always listen and if it is scripture I will take it heart and pray about it. If it is opinion, I simply listen and that is it....

Jude 3 puts it plainly. ''3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.''

What we contend earnestly for is the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. Notice that! Not “once upon a time†but once for all. The body of doctrine is complete. The canon is finished. Nothing more can be added. “If it’s new it’s not true, and if it’s true it’s not new.†When some teacher claims to have a revelation which is above and beyond what is found in the Bible, we reject it out of hand..... The faith has been delivered and we neither need nor heed anything else. This is our answer to the leaders of false cults with their books that claim equal authority with the Scriptures....This after all is how the JW came to be....How the Mormons came to be....By a so called special revelation from God.....

 

[mutzrein]

Please show me where the word of God is written in our hearts...today...in this age.

Are you going to take me to Jer. 31:31and Heb. 8:8?
You are not going to spiritualize the passage and make it doctrine to the body of Christ today are you Mutz?

If that is the case then why did Paul tell us to study - II TIm. 2:15?

God bless

Actually I wasn't specifically thinking of a scripture since it is written on my heart.

But Romans 2 does speak of it.

"Indeed when Gentiles who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them."

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Goodness I see the problem. Some of you guys actually believe that the Word of God is not written on our hearts by the Spirit, but it is only assimilated into our 'hearts' as we read the pages of a book written with pen and ink...

BINGO!

There must be book, chapter, and verse that states "Thou must speakest to the maiden whom standest before thee in thy neighborhood Wal-mart" if you want us to believe that this is from God. :-D

It seems to be an unending attempt to find someone who is trying to start a false religion or rewrite Scripture. In so doing it seems to me that the Word of God that is being practiced, and the Holy Spirit that is living and active in the lives of believers, is being denied by those who appear to be trying to defend the Word. It is as if every word spoken, rather than being held up to true Scriptures, rather than being prayed over, rather than accepting that God is active in the lives of our brothers and sisters as well as our own life, and is able to speak to them as well as to us, rather than letting the Holy Spirit move as He sees fit, we would rather take every spiritual experience and see if it lines up with mormons or JWs.

I testify to the fact that it is the Spirit of God which IMPARTS the word of God and other spiritual gifts to man in various ways. Whether man wants to deny it or not, God to this day imparts, by His Spirit, the word of wisdom to one, the word of knowledge to another, prophecy, faith, gifts of healing and so on for the edification of the body of Christ.

yeah, me too.

 

[jgredline]

Mutz
This verse has nothing to do ''with the gift of knowledge''....
Paul says that while the Gentiles do not have the Law written in their hearts, not even the Ten Commandments, nevertheless “the requirements of the law are written on their hearts....†That is, they know the moral standard of God.....If anything this verse affirms that there is not one folk with out excuse...Even the guy who lives in the jungle who has never heard of Jesus...He has nature...and ponder where it all came from..
With incredible discrimination God judges those lacking God’s Word by how well they live according to the sense of right and wrong in their hearts.

Sweden’s great theologian Anders Nygren states this very exactly: “The heathen’s conscience stands as an objective witness … showing that he actually knew what he did wrong.†God’s judgment is so perfect that he takes into account one’s moral perception in rendering judgment. To be sure, no one escapes condemnation. All fall short. None measure up to their own moral perceptions of right or wrong, let alone God’s Law. No one will ever be able to rise before God and declare that he has been unfair. His judgment is so precise that he takes into account the delicate moral perceptions of each person.

 

[jgredline]

BINGO!

There must be book, chapter, and verse that states "Thou must speakest to the maiden whom standest before thee in thy neighborhood Wal-mart" if you want us to believe that this is from God.

It seems to be an unending attempt to find someone who is trying to start a false religion or rewrite Scripture. In so doing it seems to me that the Word of God that is being practiced, and the Holy Spirit that is living and active in the lives of believers, is being denied by those who appear to be trying to defend the Word. It is as if every word spoken, rather than being held up to true Scriptures, rather than being prayed over, rather than accepting that God is active in the lives of our brothers and sisters as well as our own life, and is able to speak to them as well as to us, rather than letting the Holy Spirit move as He sees fit, we would rather take every spiritual experience and see if it lines up with mormons or JWs.

Little Angel
What does this have to do with the ''Gift of the word of Knowledge''
Look at the OP and read through the post. Nobody is attacking anybody...What AV and Myself are mearly trying to explain that you all have the gift of Knowledge confused with another gift....Please explain what your definition of the gift of knowledge is..

 

[mutzrein]

I opologize mutz.
Here I will quote myself as to what I believe it is.

Sorry about that - I realise now you already posted that.

Well, that is not what I see as a word of knowledge and certainly is not the sort of spiritual gift that I know it to be.

When God, by His spirit implants knowledge of circumstance, situation, predicament or whatever the case may be, without having been told about it and this enables the person who has the gift to give understanding / direction to the person(s) who needs it, then I would say a word of knowledge is in effect.

 

[jgredline]

Sorry about that - I realise now you already posted that.

Well, that is not what I see as a word of knowledge and certainly is not the sort of spiritual gift that I know it to be.

When God, by His spirit implants knowledge of circumstance, situation, predicament or whatever the case may be, without having been told about it and this enables the person who has the gift to give understanding / direction to the person(s) who needs it, then I would say a word of knowledge is in effect.

This I will agree with so long as it lines up with the written word of God, and not some new revelation....Would you agree that if it is a word of knowledge from God that it will line up in perfect harmony with the scriptures and scriptures alone?

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Knowledge = Knowing that a specific condition, problem or event exist.

Understanding = knowing why the condition exist, how the problem happened, or what led up to the event happining.

Wisdom = knowing what to do about it.

Word of knowledge, as refered to in Scripture = When God tells you

Perhaps the word of knowledge is best displayed when a child of God is credited with making a discovery or an invention. George Washington Carver comes to mind.

George Washington Carver, the scientist who developed hundreds of useful products from the peanut: “When I was young, I said to God, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the universe.’ But God answered, ‘That knowledge is reserved for me alone.’ So I said, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.’ Then God said, ‘Well, George, that’s more nearly your size.’ And he told me.â€Â

Adapted from Rackham Holt, George Washington Carver
http://net.bible.org/illustration.php?topic=756

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Hi jg
Perhaps this is what gives the appearance of an attack. It seems to me that there is nothing here that has to do with the Word of Knowledge here - ...just another warning about false teachers, and cults

What we contend earnestly for is the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. Notice that! Not “once upon a time†but once for all. The body of doctrine is complete. The canon is finished. Nothing more can be added. “If it’s new it’s not true, and if it’s true it’s not new.†When some teacher claims to have a revelation which is above and beyond what is found in the Bible, we reject it out of hand..... The faith has been delivered and we neither need nor heed anything else. This is our answer to the leaders of false cults with their books that claim equal authority with the Scriptures....This after all is how the JW came to be....How the Mormons came to be....By a so called special revelation from God.....

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz
This verse has nothing to do ''with the gift of knowledge''....
Paul says that while the Gentiles do not have the Law written in their hearts, not even the Ten Commandments, nevertheless “the requirements of the law are written on their hearts....†That is, they know the moral standard of God.....If anything this verse affirms that there is not one folk with out excuse...Even the guy who lives in the jungle who has never heard of Jesus...He has nature...and ponder where it all came from..
With incredible discrimination God judges those lacking God’s Word by how well they live according to the sense of right and wrong in their hearts.

I didn't say this had anything to do with the gift of knowledge. I was responding to AVBunyan. I do though disagree with the interpretation that you and any named thelogian has given it but I will deal with that another time. :D

 

[jgredline]

I didn't say this had anything to do with the gift of knowledge. I was responding to AVBunyan. I do though disagree with the interpretation that you and any named thelogian has given it but I will deal with that another time. :D

No problem, we can agree to disagree on this. 8-)

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

A word of knowledge - an hypothetical case

A asks B for the definition of ‘a word of knowledge.’

B can’t find the right words to describe it so asks C how he would describe it.

C says, “don’t even think about trying to define it. A will never understand no matter what you say.â€Â

B muses. “Mmmm – I never even told C bout A.†:-?

:smt005

 

[jgredline]

Hi jg
Perhaps this is what gives the appearance of an attack. It seems to me that there is nothing here that has to do with the Word of Knowledge here - ...just another warning about false teachers, and cults

Well, if you took that as an attack, that is on you...For you took me out of context...I never called anyone person on this thread a cult or a false teacher....I did name the Mormons and JW as my examples...And yes Jospeh smith received ''a word'' from God and hence we have mormonism.....

 

[xicali]

Re: reply

Ex. You must study a different Bible than I do. I haven't a clue what you are talking about.


May God bless, Golfjack

Hello Golfjack,

I Posted 5 bible verses with their corresponding and proper KJV bible link.

you have to use them to understand...otherwise we end up with long entries. That's all, Now... me studying a different bible than the one you do again "click" on the link and see.

Very seldom in this forum we agree with each other's point of view on the same bible verses.

Those that do agree with you, are very polite to tell you so, and are not afraid or too proud to let us know.

There are others that don't bother to give you an answer back in response to their entries or postings, for whatever reasons.

Others feel threaten an just abandoned the subject.

You hold the power to ask.

Golfjack, if you're are not refereing to me please do forgive me :

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Well, if you took that as an attack, that is on you...For you took me out of context...I never called anyone person on this thread a cult or a false teacher....I did name the Mormons and JW as my examples...And yes Jospeh smith received ''a word'' from God and hence we have mormonism.....

Ahhh, I see now. I was focused on the truth, what the gift is ~ rather than examples of how it has been misinterpetedor misused.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Knowledge = Knowing that a specific condition, problem or event exist.

Understanding = knowing why the condition exist, how the problem happened, or what led up to the event happining.

Wisdom = knowing what to do about it.

Word of knowledge, as refered to in Scripture = When God tells you

Perhaps the word of knowledge is best displayed when a child of God is credited with making a discovery or an invention. George Washington Carver comes to mind.

George Washington Carver, the scientist who developed hundreds of useful products from the peanut: “When I was young, I said to God, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the universe.’ But God answered, ‘That knowledge is reserved for me alone.’ So I said, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.’ Then God said, ‘Well, George, that’s more nearly your size.’ And he told me.â€Â

Adapted from Rackham Holt, George Washington Carver
http://net.bible.org/illustration.php?topic=756

Perhaps a word of knowledge can be described as an answer to a question. In the case of lady that golfjack encountered in Walmart, perhaps it was God answering the question that the lady had, and He used golfjack as the vessel to deliver the answer.

 

[jgredline]

Perhaps a word of knowledge can be described as an answer to a question. In the case of lady that golfjack encountered in Walmart, perhaps it was God answering the question that the lady had, and He used golfjack as the vessel to deliver the answer.

And Little angel
had you bothered to read my post you would have noticed that I addressed Jacks encounter with that women....

 

[xicali]

Re: reply

Christian sometimes confuse "...the word of knowledge..." 1 Corinthians 12:8

With the "...spirit of divination...". Acts 16:16-18

What Golfjack is describing as his gift, is the gift of "...discerning of spirits..." 1 Corinthians 12:10

The gift of discerning of spirits has nothing to do with demon spirits:

• The Spirit the word of wisdom[/*:m:d9df5]
• The word of knowledge [/*:m:d9df5]
• Faith[/*:m:d9df5]
• the gifts of healing [/*:m:d9df5]
• the working of miracles[/*:m:d9df5]
• prophecy[/*:m:d9df5]
• discerning of spirits[/*:m:d9df5]
• divers kinds of tongues[/*:m:d9df5]

None of the gifts Paul is telling us about has to do with with evil spirits, but for the edification of the Church.

Golfjack is discerning Angels:

"...Of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire". Hebrews 1:7

"...Are they not all ministering spirits [The Angels], sent forth to minister for them [Golfjack]who shall be heirs[The lady at Wal-Mart] of salvation?" Hebrews 1:14 (Some humor there)

:o What in the world are you talking about. :o :o

Digest me bro :smt059

 

[mutzrein]

Re: reply

Digest me bro :smt059

Ah . . . and I hear chewing aids the digestion too