THE GOSPEL OF GOD IN THE STARS

[gordon777]

Israel had a problem with worshipping the host of heaven, the tabernacle of moloch, he star of their god remphan, figures which they made to worship them.

If any was found of Israel doing wickedness, transgressing the covenant of God, serving other gods, worshipping them, either the sun, or moon, or ANY OF THE HOST OF HEAVEN, WHICH I HAVE NOTR COMMANDED, it is abomination wrought in Israel.

I hope Free, the op, can read how Israel swore by malcham and by the Lord, worshipping the host of heaven, but God cut off baal, and all the false priests who taught how to incorporate worshipping the stars, the host of heaven and the Lord together, which is abomination and wickedness. ( that is why heresies are damnable and they who preach another gospel are accursed.)






Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Deuteronomy 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

2 Kings 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the Lord their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

Jeremiah 19:13 And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.

Zephaniah 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the Lord, and that swear by Malcham;
6 And them that are turned back from the Lord; and those that have not sought the Lord, nor enquired for him.
7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

 

[gordon777]

Peter said:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

This means that the angels that sinned are 'locked up' and NOT loose on the planet.
Do you believe this? Is Peter speaking the truth?


Satan is the chief angel ( spirit) that is loose, he has angels also, loose, and they are reserved in chains unto judgment, that is why satan is angry as he has a short time. (other verses tell whether the devil angel is loose or not)

Jesus also confirms Revelation 9:1, seeing satan as lightening fall from heaven. ( who has the key to the bottomless pit to release the king over them, the beast who the world worships now, who was given power by the dragon, that old serpent satan, the devil.)



Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Scripture in Isaiah says God created evil:

I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

So, it's not hard for me to accept God put a 'lying spirit' in his mouth. Look familiar?

Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger,
Wrath, and indignation, and trouble,
By sending evil angels among them.
Ps 78:49.

Strong defines the word as:
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher).

The KJV translators correctly translates the word to mean "messenger."
Had to be human since the angels that sinned are locked up.




Neither true to say it was human, nor for you to say God put a lying spirit into someone.

Firstly, God cannot look upon evil, God is the creator of all, and the fact that evil angels such as satan are in the world, they are seen in various scriptures, fighting against God, causing trouble where trouble is required, and also as seen in Job, doing the evil that God, does not do.

The princes of this world are the angels, satan as that god of this world too, they do spiritual wickedness in high places, they are the wicked spirits in man.

1 Kings 22:21, is familiar, you used the right word, of satan talking with the Lord, in the book of Job 1:6-7, the same as the spirit talking with God in 1 Kings 22:21.




Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?




Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Job 2:3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is only one Gospel.


You need to read a bit closer. I stated: "To say that good news to certain individuals is gospel," which clearly means I understand the meaning of the word "gospel."


There is one Gospel, that of the forgiveness and salvation secured for us by Jesus's death and resurrection. Other tidings of good news should be called just that, good news. To call them gospels confuses things with the actual Gospel. There is no gospel in the stars, nor prophecy. This is easily dispelled by the fact that constellations are man-made; man seeing whatever they want in the stars, which is highly subjective.


That "The heavens declare the glory of God," means that it displays attributes of God, such as his omnipotence, omniscience, and wisdom. There is no gospel in the stars, no "star-prophecies," that I can see. There is one gospel, as I have given.

So, the message to Mary she would be the one to carry Israel's Messiah is not good news?
The Covenant God enjoined with Abraham is not good news?
The Covenant Noah received of God is not good news?
You're missing the forest for the trees.
There are hundreds of good news related to God's people in Scripture.
And they all count just the same and are just as important.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Peter said:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

This means that the angels that sinned are 'locked up' and NOT loose on the planet.
Do you believe this? Is Peter speaking the truth?


Satan is the chief angel ( spirit) that is loose, he has angels also, loose, and they are reserved in chains unto judgment, that is why satan is angry as he has a short time. (other verses tell whether the devil angel is loose or not)

Jesus also confirms Revelation 9:1, seeing satan as lightening fall from heaven. ( who has the key to the bottomless pit to release the king over them, the beast who the world worships now, who was given power by the dragon, that old serpent satan, the devil.)



Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.




Scripture in Isaiah says God created evil:

I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

So, it's not hard for me to accept God put a 'lying spirit' in his mouth. Look familiar?

49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger,
Wrath, and indignation, and trouble,
By sending evil angels among them.
Ps 78:49.

Strong defines the word as:
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher).

The KJV translators correctly translates the word to mean "messenger."
Had to be human since the angels that sinned are locked up.




Neither true to say it was human, nor for you to say God put a lying spirit into someone.

Firstly, God cannot look upon evil, God is the creator of all, and the fact that evil angels such as satan are in the world, they are seen in various scriptures, fighting against God, causing trouble where trouble is required, and also as seen in Job, doing the evil that God, does not do.

The princes of this world are the angels, satan as that god of this world too, they do spiritual wickedness in high places, they are the wicked spirits in man.

1 Kings 22:21, is familiar, you used the right word, of satan talking with the Lord, in the book of Job 1:6-7, the same as the spirit talking with God in 1 Kings 22:21.




Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?




Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Job 2:3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

I guess Peter lied. That Satan is STILL sifting him like wheat.
Well, that means calling God a liar too. He Authored the Scripture.

 

[gordon777]

So, the message to Mary she would be the one to carry Israel's Messiah is not good news?
The Covenant God enjoined with Abraham is not good news?
The Covenant Noah received of God is not good news?
You're missing the forest for the trees.
There are hundreds of good news related to God's people in Scripture.
And they all count just the same and are just as important.

1. No gospel could be told to Adam first of all, because the name of Jesus Christ was given into the world first by the angel of the Lord, thousands of years after Adam died. Also all in Adam die, Adam is the flesh that had the way to the tree of life blocked, so all in Christ are made alive, and Christ is that tree of life., the secret never made known to any sons of men, that is revealed to us by the Spirit, when the Spirit is given unto us to understand and known God with. ( Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;)

No gospel is told before Christ was sent. ( we are risen with Christ.) It is the name of Christ that saves us, Adam and the world never had knowledge of what saves us, as the name was not yet given, or told about. ( no Spirit of the Son in them, not knowing the love of God to die for us, and believe in. was ever revealed 'to any sons of men, nor the parables of the Kingdom of God, which Christ shows has to also be given to know. Isaiah 52:15. Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.)



2. Noah condemned the old world, the FIGURE we are told about Noah is how he and his house were saved by water, because the like FIGURE, baptism NOW ALSO saves us, which is the rising of Christ again from the dead. ( we are risen with Christ.) Noah like all listed in Hebrews 11, had not received the promises, of eternal life, or the way to it, God had provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


3. Abraham is the beginning of the promises received for us all, ( the good news is Jesus Christ, nothing else or we die without His rising to life to believe in.) that is where God ordained life. Psalm 133:3 ( we are risen with Christ.) Abraham offering his only son, received his son as a FIGURE. ( of Christ, the seed.) But Abraham, like all in Hebrews 11, had not received the promise, God provided some thing better for us, which is Jesus Christ, rising from the dead to life for us and our conscience, to then learn of Christ who is meek and lowly and is the righteousness of God and the Lords redemption from sin, which is when we were in an evil conscience. ( all in Christ born of Him do not sin, they love their brothers perceiving the love of God to lay HIs life down for us.) THE GOSPEL CANNOT BE PREACHED WITHOUT THE HOLY GHOST SENT DOWN from heaven WHCH IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, out of HIs belly. John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

All scripture speaks of Christ, it has not been shared to the angels, nor to anyone else. ( 1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.)



1. Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


2. Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.




3. Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[gordon777]

I guess Peter lied. That Satan is STILL sifting him like wheat.
Well, that means calling God a liar too. He Authored the Scripture.

Satan sifting Peter as wheat, is because satan was present to sift Peter.

Satan also had come to tempt Christ, Christ showed how the apostles continued with Him in His temptations. ( they never end, as satan is always the tempter the god of this world.)



Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Luke 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

 

[gordon777]

So, the message to Mary she would be the one to carry Israel's Messiah is not good news?
The Covenant God enjoined with Abraham is not good news?
The Covenant Noah received of God is not good news?
You're missing the forest for the trees.
There are hundreds of good news related to God's people in Scripture.
And they all count just the same and are just as important.

Free, answered to you, about your claim of two Psalms chapters, 19 and 147...


"That "The heavens declare the glory of God," means that it displays attributes of God, such as his omnipotence, omniscience, and wisdom. There is no gospel in the stars, no "star-prophecies," that I can see. There is one gospel, as I have given."


I did give the scripture for comparison for you, and for all, why not accept it, as others can.

This comparison for you, shows it is not one bit about a lost gospel in the stars, it is entirely about the revealed possessed gospel of Christ.


Why do you not have interest to speak about the Psalm 147, you use to promote a supposed belief of a gospel in the stars ?


Look what is spoken, God knows those stars, He is of great power and infinite understanding, who lifts up the meek, the wicked are cast down. (they do not look to God, they look to anything else.)

Do you not see God telling the SAME, testimony in Isaiah 40, how God has no comparison, ( they have no reason to look to anything else4 in the world) to look up and see God created all of the things created, the very same info, God calls them out by number and calls them all by names, is by the greatness of HIs power.

We are to hear and know what is told, not add to it, taking one scripture from here and another from there, precept upon precept, line upon line, rightly dividing the word of truth. Isaiah 28:10. 2 Timothy 2:15.

The everlasting God the creator of the ends of the earth, has no searching of HIs understanding. (HIs understanding is infinite.)

If a person believes in a gospel of the stars, to give that understanding, they have turned away from what is testified below, how this understanding comes to us, is not by looking up to the stars, it was by only looking to God.

Here are the words told, that God would grant us, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith; that we, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height, and to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that we might be filled with all the fulness of God.

And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep our hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.




Psalm 147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.
5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
6 The Lord lifteth up the meek: he casteth the wicked down to the ground.

Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.




Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[gordon777]

There is only one Gospel.

You need to read a bit closer. I stated: "To say that good news to certain individuals is gospel," which clearly means I understand the meaning of the word "gospel."

There is one Gospel, that of the forgiveness and salvation secured for us by Jesus's death and resurrection. Other tidings of good news should be called just that, good news. To call them gospels confuses things with the actual Gospel. There is no gospel in the stars, nor prophecy. This is easily dispelled by the fact that constellations are man-made; man seeing whatever they want in the stars, which is highly subjective.

That "The heavens declare the glory of God," means that it displays attributes of God, such as his omnipotence, omniscience, and wisdom. There is no gospel in the stars, no "star-prophecies," that I can see. There is one gospel, as I have given.

Free, I am glad you understand there is no gospel in the stars, or star prophecies that you can see, and that there is one gospel.

This thread is however, insisting and will not reconsider any of the many scriptures given in answer, that there are many gospels, and that there are gospels in the stars, and a gospel given to Adam, which was lost, recovered etc.


The scriptures are also clear, that if a man or an angel brings in ANY OTHER GOSPEL, other than what we received, they are false apostles, and it is an accursed thing they are doing, as they are accursed to bring in damnable heresies.


You did want to ask the person to clarify, that it was not another gospel, given in the stars, which could save us by what the star gospel says. So far you said you saw that confusion was being sown by this thread named the gospel of God in the stars, because there is only one gospel revealed by God, which is the forgiveness of sins, the salvation, and reconciliation to God which is found only in the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ.

The person has not shown they hear a word spoken, but all is entirely rejected, not even looking at Isaiah 40, which I shared for comparison. ( what do you think of Isaiah 40, yourself, as a comparison of Psalm 147.?)

Does the thread have the right place in theology, seeing as it is not to do with the theology of the scriptures we have of the gospel of Jesus Christ, but that it tries to introduce another gospel in the stars, which they claim was lost, and then claimed to be possessed by just this Rollerstone ? ( remembering we were forewarned, that many false prophet, teachers rise to deceive many, by subtle teachings/heresies in these end times.)

It is a little convenient that something was lost that claims it was Gods word, and they show verses to show Gods infinite understanding, and then think it is correct to show Gods infinite understanding, is to lose something for a while, and then only reveal this to one person.

Maybe this thread has a better place, in end times, or science ?

Do you think it is fine to be in theology, if you think so, I can stop giving answers, because after two or three admonitions, it is time to give up, when it is another doctrinal belief, that shows it has no ability to consent to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, which means when anything brings in strife and contention, as this clearly is designed for.



Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[jeremiah1five]

1. No gospel could be told to Adam first of all, because the name of Jesus Christ was given into the world first by the angel of the Lord, thousands of years after Adam died. Also all in Adam die, Adam is the flesh that had the way to the tree of life blocked, so all in Christ are made alive, and Christ is that tree of life., the secret never made known to any sons of men, that is revealed to us by the Spirit, when the Spirit is given unto us to understand and known God with. ( Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;)

So, you are an apostle and prophet that hidden things were revealed to you of things you naturally could not know of the history of the Hebrew people and their salvation God gave to them?
It is ONLY through God's inspiration that anyone could know God. Second, the inspiration that the apostles and prophets knew was already given in Scripture and was 'hidden' by that of not having the Holy Spirit to enlighten their understanding. Everything Paul knew was already in his mind. He was a priest. He read the Hebrew Scriptures. The Seed of the Word of God had already been planted except without the Holy Spirit to illuminate his understanding of the Scripture he could understand nothing. But when the Holy Spirit invaded his life THEN he understood things in the Hebrew Scripture that was already there but wasn't understood because ONLY spiritual can understand spiritual.

No gospel is told before Christ was sent. ( we are risen with Christ.) It is the name of Christ that saves us, Adam and the world never had knowledge of what saves us, as the name was not yet given, or told about. ( no Spirit of the Son in them, not knowing the love of God to die for us, and believe in. was ever revealed 'to any sons of men, nor the parables of the Kingdom of God, which Christ shows has to also be given to know. Isaiah 52:15. Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.)

The Name that was given was YHWH. Adam knew this. Jesus is the English of "Yeshua" which is Hebrew for the Name of Joshua. And it was Joshua that took God's people into the Promised Land in the natural and Jesus/Joshua that took God's people into the spiritual Promised Land. And that spiritual Promised Land was the Person of the Holy Spirit. HE was the Promise God gave to His people in the past.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38–39.

2. Noah condemned the old world, the FIGURE we are told about Noah is how he and his house were saved by water, because the like FIGURE, baptism NOW ALSO saves us, which is the rising of Christ again from the dead. ( we are risen with Christ.) Noah like all listed in Hebrews 11, had not received the promises, of eternal life, or the way to it, God had provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Noah and his sons and their wives and Noah's wife may have survived the flood but it was Noah that was in Covenant with God. It was Noah that found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Not his sons nor their wives nor Noah's very own wife. It was Noah ALONE that built an altar and worshiped the Lord. And it was his sacrifice in accordance to the instruction of God that Adam obeyed and followed, whom Abel obeyed and followed, and the rest of God's people that obeyed Him and followed what He taught in which and what way He was to be worshiped. It was not strange fire. It was sacrifice according to the teaching of God.

3. Abraham is the beginning of the promises received for us all, ( the good news is Jesus Christ, nothing else or we die without His rising to life to believe in.) that is where God ordained life. Psalm 133:3 ( we are risen with Christ.) Abraham offering his only son, received his son as a FIGURE. ( of Christ, the seed.) But Abraham, like all in Hebrews 11, had not received the promise, God provided some thing better for us, which is Jesus Christ, rising from the dead to life for us and our conscience, to then learn of Christ who is meek and lowly and is the righteousness of God and the Lords redemption from sin, which is when we were in an evil conscience. ( all in Christ born of Him do not sin, they love their brothers perceiving the love of God to lay HIs life down for us.) THE GOSPEL CANNOT BE PREACHED WITHOUT THE HOLY GHOST SENT DOWN from heaven WHCH IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, out of HIs belly. John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

The beginning of God's redemption began in the garden with Adam and Eve and the Promise of Genesis 3:15.

All scripture speaks of Christ, it has not been shared to the angels, nor to anyone else. ( 1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.)
1. Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2. Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
3. Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Hebrews 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Satan sifting Peter as wheat, is because satan was present to sift Peter.
Satan also had come to tempt Christ, Christ showed how the apostles continued with Him in His temptations. ( they never end, as satan is always the tempter the god of this world.)

Can't be. God said the angels that sinned were locked up. So, the "satan" which means "adversary" was Peter's own thoughts about in which way God should save His people. And that kind of thinking still goes on in the Chruch today.

Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Luke 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

Messiah was prophesied to be both God and Man. It was the humanity of Messiah that was being tested, not the Logos. And the humanity was the part of Him saying "If I am the Son of God, I can make these stones bread and eat." There was no fallen angel testing Jesus. It was His own thoughts of who He was that was tempting Him.

 

[gordon777]

Satan came to Christ, it was not HIs own thoughts, it was the prince of this world, the god of this world is the spirit that is in all children of disobedience.


Free has not or is not deciding to stop your thread of another gospel, even though you ignore how the Psalms 19 and 147, are shown to not speak of the stars in a gospel, but are the very opposite to what Israel did, of worshipping the host of heaven. As Free has not signalled whether they would delete or move this thread, I have already shown I wont be answering any more, so here are the verses again JUST FOR YOU, Jeremiah1five



Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[gordon777]

So, you are an apostle and prophet that hidden things were revealed to you of things you naturally could not know of the history of the Hebrew people and their salvation God gave to them?

Salvation is through the name of Jesus Christ, that was never given to the people of Israel.

The Name that was given was YHWH. Adam knew this. Jesus is the English of "Yeshua" which is Hebrew for the Name of Joshua. And it was Joshua that took God's people into the Promised Land in the natural and Jesus/Joshua that took God's people into the spiritual Promised Land. And that spiritual Promised Land was the Person of the Holy Spirit. HE was the Promise God gave to His people in the past.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38–39.

Adam the same as everybody in the world, did not know the name of God, that is why Christ is set up on High, as He alone knows the name of the Lord. ( declaring the name of the Lord.)


Psalm 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Psalm 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

Psalm 102:20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
21 To declare the name of the Lord in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.



The new name is named by the Lord, which is named Jesus by the angel, and He was named Jesus as He saves HIs people from their sins.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the scriptures, declaring the name of the Lord, which is the name of Jesus Christ on earth, Adam and nobody on earth can know what was alone declared by the Son, as only the Son knows Him. ( Noone knows the name of the Lord, that honour is reserved for the one who has the name of the Lord, the Son, who alone knows the Father, and noone knows the Son, but the Father.)


Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Noah and his sons and their wives and Noah's wife may have survived the flood but it was Noah that was in Covenant with God. It was Noah that found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Not his sons nor their wives nor Noah's very own wife. It was Noah ALONE that built an altar and worshiped the Lord. And it was his sacrifice in accordance to the instruction of God that Adam obeyed and followed, whom Abel obeyed and followed, and the rest of God's people that obeyed Him and followed what He taught in which and what way He was to be worshiped. It was not strange fire. It was sacrifice according to the teaching of God.

The beginning of God's redemption began in the garden with Adam and Eve and the Promise of Genesis 3:15.

Noah found grace because of what we are told, ignore it to your peril. ( the like figure to what happened with Noah is what saves us, not your ideas ignoring all the testimonies as do Israel.)



John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.



What we have heard from the beginning was Adam in the flesh, and Abel of the Spirit, Cain of the flesh killing Abel, and all drowned of the flesh. Noah continued with what we are told, a figure to save us by being not drowned, but saved by the baptism of Christ.

Adam sinned, and all teachers transgressed against God from that time.

That shows how death reigns over all, from Adam to Moses.

Death reigned from Adam over all, so the gift of righteousness reigns in life by Jesus Christ. ( the name not known by Adam or anyone, nor could be known, only the Son of God knows the Father and only the Father knows the Son, and he to whomsoever He will reveal Him, by the Spirit of Christ.)



Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

[gordon777]

Can't be. God said the angels that sinned were locked up. So, the "satan" which means "adversary" was Peter's own thoughts about in which way God should save His people. And that kind of thinking still goes on in the Chruch today.

Satan entered Judas, Satan is the spirit of the devil, which is in all children of the devil.

It cant be Peters thoughts, it either is the spirit of the devil or it is not.

Satan talks with God in the book of Job, it cant be Gods thoughts also, it is satan thoughts, which is that spirit of the devil.

Jesus had the devil come to Him also, again it cant be the thoughts of Jesus, because the devil went away again, and left Him only for a season, until the devil angel spirit returned again to attack Christ, which is ludicrous to think this was the thoughts of Christ, or any of the thoughts of anyone, it is that spirit entering into them.

Now it was told, get behind me satan.

Luke 4:1 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

Luke 4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.



Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.


Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. ( hateful bird/hateful spirit/angel)

Messiah was prophesied to be both God and Man. It was the humanity of Messiah that was being tested, not the Logos. And the humanity was the part of Him saying "If I am the Son of God, I can make these stones bread and eat." There was no fallen angel testing Jesus. It was His own thoughts of who He was that was tempting Him.

I answered how it is nonsense to say that all of this was in everyones minds, God in the book of Job talking with himself according to your reasoning, who satan says he walks to and fro through the earth, Jesus talking to himself, and not the tempter coming to him then departing until the hour of darkness when the prince of this world came again, ( as if Jesus own mind was the power of darkness that brought the devil again, what evil you get away with on this forum man.) and not that the spirit of the devil entered into Judas as soon as the sop was given to Judas by Jesus, ( again all of this is in the mind of all according to your heresy.)

Jesus for you to ignore, witnesses seeing satan fall to us from heaven, and for that reason gives us power to tread on serpents and scorpions, ( satan and his angels) and over all the power of the enemy. ( the enemy has power not locked away with no power as you promote)

The spirits we saw were subject to the apostles, because they were in all the people, and that spirit is in all children of disobedience now, unless the Spirit of Christ is in them instead.



Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[gordon777]

There is one Gospel, that of the forgiveness and salvation secured for us by Jesus's death and resurrection. Other tidings of good news should be called just that, good news. To call them gospels confuses things with the actual Gospel. There is no gospel in the stars, nor prophecy. This is easily dispelled by the fact that constellations are man-made; man seeing whatever they want in the stars, which is highly subjective.

Free, you are doing a poor job of being an OP on a Christian website, and now knowing that you had to dispel the idea of another gospel in the stars, which this thread insists upon, and yet you leave the thread in its place, with no withdrawing of he person who made the thread, nor are you stopping or moving the thread, and you stated it sows confusion.

Do you want to be clear or are ignoring me now, that you approve of this thread, or it is heresy, needing to be dispelled and is confusion, which as I understand it, needs to go, not be shown it is Christian theology ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Satan came to Christ, it was not HIs own thoughts, it was the prince of this world, the god of this world is the spirit that is in all children of disobedience.

The angels that sinned are all locked up. God was testing the human part of Jesus and in His Mind knowing He could turn stones into bread He didn't and passed the test. He passed all three tests and proved that with the Logos united with His human nature Jesus could not sin, was able not to sin, and was not able to sin.

Free has not or is not deciding to stop your thread of another gospel, even though you ignore how the Psalms 19 and 147, are shown to not speak of the stars in a gospel, but are the very opposite to what Israel did, of worshipping the host of heaven. As Free has not signalled whether they would delete or move this thread, I have already shown I wont be answering any more, so here are the verses again JUST FOR YOU, Jeremiah1five

This is not another gospel but the same gospel but written in the stars by God. Your ignorance of Scripture doctrine is really showing.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Doesn't apply.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

I'm not offering questions. I'm making a statement.
And your Scripture doesn't apply. You have a habit of misapplying Scripture.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The Gospel of God in the stars is valid and is the same gospel written in Scripture.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Salvation is through the name of Jesus Christ, that was never given to the people of Israel.
Adam the same as everybody in the world, did not know the name of God, that is why Christ is set up on High, as He alone knows the name of the Lord. ( declaring the name of the Lord.)

Then I guess Adam had relationship with His Creator who was a complete stranger to him.

Psalm 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Psalm 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
Psalm 102:20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
21 To declare the name of the Lord in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.
John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
The new name is named by the Lord, which is named Jesus by the angel, and He was named Jesus as He saves HIs people from their sins.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the scriptures, declaring the name of the Lord, which is the name of Jesus Christ on earth, Adam and nobody on earth can know what was alone declared by the Son, as only the Son knows Him. ( Noone knows the name of the Lord, that honour is reserved for the one who has the name of the Lord, the Son, who alone knows the Father, and noone knows the Son, but the Father.)
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Noah found grace because of what we are told, ignore it to your peril. ( the like figure to what happened with Noah is what saves us, not your ideas ignoring all the testimonies as do Israel.)

Misapplication of Scripture. Lucifer did that, too.

John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
What we have heard from the beginning was Adam in the flesh, and Abel of the Spirit, Cain of the flesh killing Abel, and all drowned of the flesh. Noah continued with what we are told, a figure to save us by being not drowned, but saved by the baptism of Christ.

Misapplication of Scripture.

Adam sinned, and all teachers transgressed against God from that time.

Adam was created a sinner. That's why he sinned. Sin comes from sinner.

That shows how death reigns over all, from Adam to Moses.
Death reigned from Adam over all, so the gift of righteousness reigns in life by Jesus Christ. ( the name not known by Adam or anyone, nor could be known, only the Son of God knows the Father and only the Father knows the Son, and he to whomsoever He will reveal Him, by the Spirit of Christ.)
Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

You post Scripture but you have no idea what it means in context to where it is found. Misapplication of Scripture.
Christians are not to be ignorant. Christianity is lived in wisdom and wisdom you lack.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Free, you are doing a poor job of being an OP on a Christian website, and now knowing that you had to dispel the idea of another gospel in the stars, which this thread insists upon, and yet you leave the thread in its place, with no withdrawing of he person who made the thread, nor are you stopping or moving the thread, and you stated it sows confusion.

How many times am I going to tell you the Gospel of God in the stars is NOT another gospel.
When Paul said that in Galatians he was talking about the Judaic religion against Christianity which the religious leaders didn't understand that with the Advent of the Son Judaism was complete. Christianity is only Completed Judaism. Are you going to call Christianity 'another gospel' since you think it is separate from Judaism?

Do you want to be clear or are ignoring me now, that you approve of this thread, or it is heresy, needing to be dispelled and is confusion, which as I understand it, needs to go, not be shown it is Christian theology ?

If you don't want to believe that's fine. I understand the Gospel of God in the stars and I believe. Is that OK with you?

 

[jeremiah1five]

There can be no doubt, as the learned Authoress of Mazzaroth conclusively proves, that these signs were afterwards identified with the twelve sons of Jacob. Joseph sees the sun and moon and eleven stars bowing down to him, he himself being the twelfth (Gen. 37:9). The blessing of Jacob (Gen. xlix.) and the blessing of Moses (Deut. 32) both bear witness to the existence of these signs in their day. And it is more than probable that each of the Twelve Tribes bore one of them on its standard. We read in Num. 2:2, “Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own Standard, with the Ensign of their father's house” (r.v. “with the ensigns of their fathers' houses”). This “Standard” was the Degel (דֶגֶל) on which the “Sign” (אוֹת, Oth) was depicted. Hence it was called the “En-sign.” Ancient Jewish authorities declare that each tribe had one of the signs as its own, and it is highly probable, even from Scripture, that four of the tribes carried its “Sign”; and that these four were placed at the four sides of the camp.

If the Lion were appropriated to Judah, then the other three would be thus fixed, and would be the same four that equally divide the Zodiac at its four cardinal points. According to Num. 2 the camp was thus formed: —

In the North, from North-West to North-East:
Asher (Sagittarius).
Dan, The Scorpion (Scorpio).
Nephtali (Capricornus).

In the East, from North-East to South-East:
Issachar (Cancer).
Judah, The Lion (Leo).
Zebulon (Virgo).

In the South, from South-East to South-West:
Simeon (Pisces).
Reuben, The Man (Aquarius).
Gad (Aries).

In the West, from South-West to North-West:
Ephraim and Manasseh, The Bull (the two horns of Taurus).
Benjamin (Gemini).

In the Center:
Levi, The Scales (Libra).

 

[Free]

Free, you are doing a poor job of being an OP on a Christian website, and now knowing that you had to dispel the idea of another gospel in the stars, which this thread insists upon, and yet you leave the thread in its place, with no withdrawing of he person who made the thread, nor are you stopping or moving the thread, and you stated it sows confusion.

Do you want to be clear or are ignoring me now, that you approve of this thread, or it is heresy, needing to be dispelled and is confusion, which as I understand it, needs to go, not be shown it is Christian theology ?

Please leave the moderating up to the staff. Is it Christian theology? No. Is the thread going to stay? Yes, so more people can discuss and refute the idea presented.

 

[gordon777]

Please leave the moderating up to the staff. Is it Christian theology? No. Is the thread going to stay? Yes, so more people can discuss and refute the idea presented.

That is called strife, that is why it is rejected as I told you over and over. Now anyone can see you had no intention to question this persons motives, it was questioned, and yet the thread remans as you answered now.



Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.


2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,