THE GOSPEL OF GOD IN THE STARS

[gordon777]

The angels that sinned are all locked up. God was testing the human part of Jesus and in His Mind knowing He could turn stones into bread He didn't and passed the test. He passed all three tests and proved that with the Logos united with His human nature Jesus could not sin, was able not to sin, and was not able to sin.

The spirit is satan, it is not in the mind of Christ.

It is in your mind only that the angels are locked up, because that is denying that the prince of this world came to Christ, and claiming it is in the mind of Christ. ( told directly, that prince of this world has nothing in Jesus, not in HIs mind.)

The spirit is the spirit of antichrist, which is the devils spirit, as Revelations shows it is the spirit of devils, going to gather the earth against Christ. ( which is why it also shows are released.)




John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[gordon777]

Please leave the moderating up to the staff. Is it Christian theology? No. Is the thread going to stay? Yes, so more people can discuss and refute the idea presented.

Why should an idea require refuting, and not be deleted, when you show it is only worth refuting ?

Why do you leave what is known to be perverse dispute, instead of obeying the scripture of WITHDRAWING SUCH ?

Does your forum have to be known as such a perverse place.



Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such WITHDRAW THYSELF.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That is called strife, that is why it is rejected as I told you over and over.

Am I allowed to believe as my conscience and the Scripture dictates? The study of the gospel placed in the stars by God is not my own invention. Christians of integrity and credible character have taken historical writings and restored the message of the prophetic message of God to His people, immediately for a people that could not read or write. Many civilizations make drawings on cave wall and on jars and other artifacts and stories are told to generations about its meaning. Why is it a hard thing to understand and believe that God would put His message in the configurations of the heavenly bodies? God named the stars. That's it? There's no more glory for God to get from this? Well, I believe in a BIG God who does more to communicate to His creation the story of His Son. What Father doesn't have photos in his wallet and shares their memories? If you want to stay ignorant, Paul says, then stay ignorant. I choose to believe because as astronomer from an early age God directed my steps, gave me a wonder and awe of His creation and then after He saved me put two and teo together that magnified my wonder and awe at the God of my salvation.

Now anyone can see you had no intention to question this persons motives, it was questioned, and yet the thread remans as you answered now.

I've questioned your theology, not your motives for the only motive I have is to be faithful to my calling and place in the body of Christ and do what God has ordained me to do as an obedient and willing servant. You don't see me snitching to the Moderators as you do which shows me you have no integrity to God and His Word. IF you are offended there is Matthew 18:15. Why don't you be obedient and invoke that instruction and command of God instead of seeking help from man?

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Paul was speaking to Timothy. And Paul's words were particular to this servant of God. You don't know if Timothy was an impatient man who put out foolish questions in his conversations with others about the genealogies of his Greek family or found great interest in the family covenant God enjoined with Abraham (father), Isaac (son), and Jacob (grandson). Maybe this new thing to this Greek youngster was fascinating to him? And for an unlearned Timothy just as with you he had a great many unlearned questions about Jesus whom he never met in the flesh. I did once. Now I look for my answers in the Scripture. I don't do charts. I don't spend my time pondering the message of God in the stars. My source for truth is the best translation for the English-speaking people the King James Version. Because I hold to a 422 year old translation are you going to call me a heretic because the majority of erroneous Christians prefer a translation historically taken from corrupt Greek texts, or snitch me out to a Moderator seeking my excommunication FOR NO REAL SIN? Dude, I've been a born-again Christian for 46 years. I have suffered much for my Lord and for my own sins. If God chooses to call me out of the world, give me His Holy Spirit and a love for Him and His Word and takes me from glory to glory to the point that I agree with enough knowledge the Gospel Message in the stars then CRUCIFY ME!
Or stop crying and learn something!

 

[jeremiah1five]

The spirit is satan, it is not in the mind of Christ.

Calling good evil, and evil good is a sin.
You don't even know what the Mind of Christ is.

It is in your mind only that the angels are locked up, because that is denying that the prince of this world came to Christ, and claiming it is in the mind of Christ. ( told directly, that prince of this world has nothing in Jesus, not in HIs mind.)

Scripture says they are locked up and like an obedient Christian that doesn't rebel against God's Word I believe it and must bring my earlier beliefs about the angels that sinned in alignment with the Word of God. You see, I take the Scripture literally as God has said it, I don't tell God what to say. If you can't accept what the Holy Spirit said about the angels that sinned being locked up then WHO'S REJECTING the Word of God?

The spirit is the spirit of antichrist, which is the devils spirit, as Revelations shows it is the spirit of devils, going to gather the earth against Christ. ( which is why it also shows are released.)
John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

I've never seen someone so mixed up on this Forum. Maybe I'll call the owner and talk to him about YOU persecuting ME.

 

[gordon777]

Am I allowed to believe as my conscience and the Scripture dictates? The study of the gospel placed in the stars by God is not my own invention. Christians of integrity and credible character have taken historical writings and restored the message of the prophetic message of God to His people, immediately for a people that could not read or write. Many civilizations make drawings on cave wall and on jars and other artifacts and stories are told to generations about its meaning. Why is it a hard thing to understand and believe that God would put His message in the configurations of the heavenly bodies? God named the stars. That's it? There's no more glory for God to get from this? Well, I believe in a BIG God who does more to communicate to His creation the story of His Son. What Father doesn't have photos in his wallet and shares their memories? If you want to stay ignorant, Paul says, then stay ignorant. I choose to believe because as astronomer from an early age God directed my steps, gave me a wonder and awe of His creation and then after He saved me put two and teo together that magnified my wonder and awe at the God of my salvation.

I've questioned your theology, not your motives for the only motive I have is to be faithful to my calling and place in the body of Christ and do what God has ordained me to do as an obedient and willing servant. You don't see me snitching to the Moderators as you do which shows me you have no integrity to God and His Word. IF you are offended there is Matthew 18:15. Why don't you be obedient and invoke that instruction and command of God instead of seeking help from man?

Paul was speaking to Timothy. And Paul's words were particular to this servant of God. You don't know if Timothy was an impatient man who put out foolish questions in his conversations with others about the genealogies of his Greek family or found great interest in the family covenant God enjoined with Abraham (father), Isaac (son), and Jacob (grandson). Maybe this new thing to this Greek youngster was fascinating to him? And for an unlearned Timothy just as with you he had a great many unlearned questions about Jesus whom he never met in the flesh. I did once. Now I look for my answers in the Scripture. I don't do charts. I don't spend my time pondering the message of God in the stars. My source for truth is the best translation for the English-speaking people the King James Version. Because I hold to a 422 year old translation are you going to call me a heretic because the majority of erroneous Christians prefer a translation historically taken from corrupt Greek texts, or snitch me out to a Moderator seeking my excommunication FOR NO REAL SIN? Dude, I've been a born-again Christian for 46 years. I have suffered much for my Lord and for my own sins. If God chooses to call me out of the world, give me His Holy Spirit and a love for Him and His Word and takes me from glory to glory to the point that I agree with enough knowledge the Gospel Message in the stars then CRUCIFY ME!
Or stop crying and learn something!

Is that worth something, or you think you can show me wrong to want the perverse non theology to be deleted, the Op wont delete it, and I appealed to the Op because I know that you wont delete your own perversion. ( I hoped the OP would have a little sense of decency because that is supposed to be their role on the Christian forum.)

 

[gordon777]

Calling good evil, and evil good is a sin.
You don't even know what the Mind of Christ is.

Scripture says they are locked up and like an obedient Christian that doesn't rebel against God's Word I believe it and must bring my earlier beliefs about the angels that sinned in alignment with the Word of God. You see, I take the Scripture literally as God has said it, I don't tell God what to say. If you can't accept what the Holy Spirit said about the angels that sinned being locked up then WHO'S REJECTING the Word of God?

I've never seen someone so mixed up on this Forum. Maybe I'll call the owner and talk to him about YOU persecuting ME.

Angels are spirits, it makes no sense for spirits to be locked up, when they are what is in man now, nor does it make sense for you to insist there are no angels/spirits, causing evil in this world.

Please do call the owner, he may feel obliged to stop me persecuting you, and delete your thread which persecutes the faith.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Is that worth something, or you think you can show me wrong to want the perverse non theology to be deleted, the Op wont delete it, and I appealed to the Op because I know that you wont delete your own perversion. ( I hoped the OP would have a little sense of decency because that is supposed to be their role on the Christian forum.)

Decency is not their role.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Angels are spirits, it makes no sense for spirits to be locked up, when they are what is in man now, nor does it make sense for you to insist there are no angels/spirits, causing evil in this world.

I take the Scripture as written by God and if God says to us that the angels that sinned are cast down to hell and delivered unto chains of darkness awaiting judgment, I don't contradict Him. I believe Him.

Please do call the owner, he may feel obliged to stop me persecuting you, and delete your thread which persecutes the faith.

I already did. And all our conversations are private.

 

[gordon777]

I take the Scripture as written by God and if God says to us that the angels that sinned are cast down to hell and delivered unto chains of darkness awaiting judgment, I don't contradict Him. I believe Him.

Abusing the scripture for your own purposes is very bad, but seeing as the Ops dont show decency, why should anyone else on the forum.

2 Peter 2 is nothing at all to do with what you keep going on about, it is entirely as example of destruction for those who are condemned of God, hence the words there, Sodom condemned with an overthrow, and the old world, had the flood brought in on it.... Condemned the world, as told again in Hebrews 11:7.

Continue reading in Jude, we are told of those who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.


The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This does not say that the devil angel is locked up in chains, because it continues to talk about the devil contending about the body of Moses, and the whole purpose is told again, it is for these natural brute beasts to be speaking evil about things they do not understand.



Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

 

[Free]

Why should an idea require refuting, and not be deleted, when you show it is only worth refuting ?

Why do you leave what is known to be perverse dispute, instead of obeying the scripture of WITHDRAWING SUCH ?

Does your forum have to be known as such a perverse place.



Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such WITHDRAW THYSELF.

Who decides when there is disagreement amongst staff, or amongst staff and users, as to the proper understanding of a matter or a verse or passage? Should I allow only those who agree 100% with me and my interpretation of scripture to post, and delete everything I find disagreeable? That would be exceedingly self-righteous and proud, especially since we all see as in a mirror dimly.

 

[Free]

All personal attacks must stop. Address the scriptures only and arguments only.

 

[gordon777]

Who decides when there is disagreement amongst staff, or amongst staff and users, as to the proper understanding of a matter or a verse or passage? Should I allow only those who agree 100% with me and my interpretation of scripture to post, and delete everything I find disagreeable? That would be exceedingly self-righteous and proud, especially since we all see as in a mirror dimly.

We see better than what you show you believe we see as.


Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We see better than what you show you believe we see as.


Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

The Administrator is following the rules (as we all should.)
No doubt we all believe strongly in the things we do, and emotions do surface.
But I suggest we (not the Admin) all chill and get back to the subject matter.
And if we have to re-read the rules that may be helpful.
Things got a little warm several posts ago and we've been advised so you and I lets get back to the subject matter and as Christians do our best to obey the Scripture and get back on track of proving our points.

 

[eddif]

The through a glass darkly rules. Now. At the last trump that changes.

There is a Heaven where God the Father is.

There is a heaven we live in.

There is a heaven inside us. (Symbolic) The hidden man of the heart is Jesus. That is the throne of the Flesh.

There is a law in our mind. The spirit of the mind. The mind of Christ.

All these kingdoms and heavens are parallel yet different.

The seed equals the Word of God
The Ground equals mens hearts

To think we will comprehend it all before the Last Trump is not possible.

To discuss some things takes a humble spirit. Am I humble? I doubt it. Should I be?
Sure. The wretched man is not gone yet. The mind of Christ is the only hope.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[gordon777]

The through a glass darkly rules. Now. At the last trump that changes.

There is a Heaven where God the Father is.

There is a heaven we live in.

There is a heaven inside us. (Symbolic) The hidden man of the heart is Jesus. That is the throne of the Flesh.

There is a law in our mind. The spirit of the mind. The mind of Christ.

All these kingdoms and heavens are parallel yet different.

The seed equals the Word of God
The Ground equals mens hearts

To think we will comprehend it all before the Last Trump is not possible.

To discuss some things takes a humble spirit. Am I humble? I doubt it. Should I be?
Sure. The wretched man is not gone yet. The mind of Christ is the only hope.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

See the thread explaining how those who see darkly, do not see that Christ has come in the flesh.

 

[eddif]

See the thread explaining how those who see darkly, do not see that Christ has come in the flesh.Could you give me a link? By which poster?

The ones in Christ see through a glass darkly. Those who do not see at all are blind.

Could you give me a poster name or a link?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[jeremiah1five]

The through a glass darkly rules. Now. At the last trump that changes.

There is a Heaven where God the Father is.

There is a heaven we live in.

We live on the earth. We breathe in heaven - first heaven.

There is a heaven inside us. (Symbolic) The hidden man of the heart is Jesus. That is the throne of the Flesh.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. There's nothing in our hearts but blood.

There is a law in our mind. The spirit of the mind. The mind of Christ.

The Mind of Christ is the Word of God. In those pages He reveals His Mind about what is sin, what is marriage, what is His salvation, WHO He is and what He wills for our lives. Etcetera.

All these kingdoms and heavens are parallel yet different.

If you're talking about "realms" all well and good. But there is only ONE King.

The seed equals the Word of God
The Ground equals mens hearts

Agree.

To think we will comprehend it all before the Last Trump is not possible.

We may see through a glass darkly but at the time it was written the glass/mirrors they had are not the glass/mirrors we have today.
But we also know in part. And my part joined with his part and her part and brother over there' part we see the whole. But ONLY when we are in sync and see the same Jesus and say the SAME thing as God.

To discuss some things takes a humble spirit. Am I humble? I doubt it. Should I be?
Sure. The wretched man is not gone yet. The mind of Christ is the only hope.
Mississippi redneck
eddif

Honesty. Gracias.

 

[eddif]

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. There's nothing in our hearts but blood.

1 Peter 3:4 kjv
4. But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The natural pacemaker, of the heart, looks (IMHO) like a crucified man. The av and sa nodes look like a head and regulate the signals sent to the chambers.

If the word of God is compared to a seed
And
Men’s hearts are compared to ground
Then
The heart is a very symbolic part of human anatomy.

The heart is the Throne of Jesus on earth. Symbolism can be hard to follow.

I will put my law in their hearts and mind.(Hebrews and OT)
Want the mind symbolism?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[gordon777]

The ones in Christ see through a glass darkly. Those who do not see at all are blind.

Could you give me a poster name or a link?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I can give you a scripture from the thread to show how you are incorrect to say we see darkly/dimly.


Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
2 And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land.
3 And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken.
4 The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.

 

[eddif]

I can give you a scripture from the thread to show how you are incorrect to say we see darkly/dimly.


Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
2 And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land.
3 And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken.
4 The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.

The way the understanding comes is through the spiritual gifts of 1 Corinthians 12 ( or the gifts the OT prophets used).

The gifts in people are just that. Gifts that work inside a persons spirit. The wretched man still exists. The old man that the dominion of sin no longer exists, but occasional sin does happen. It should not happen but scripture says we lie if we say we have no sin.

If I get a correct understanding:
It is not a supper eddif
The truth comes by the Holy Spirit

The spiritual gifts are to help us witness. They do not make us holy. are we changed? Yes. Is there another better change at the last trump? Absolutely.


I am righteous through what Jesus did.

To help convey that to others we receive gifts of the Holy Spirit. We still walk-in this body of death. At the resurrection perfection comes.
So
The man I am is imperfect, and sees through a glass darkly
But
The Holy Spirit can provide knowledge beyond the redneck I am.
Also others fill in knowledge and watch out to keep me straightened out.

eddif