The Gospel Plus "NOTHING"

[Robert Pate]

If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel.

It is not the Gospel plus Calvinism. Calvinism is a denial that Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Nor is it the Gospel plus Catholicism. Catholicism is a denial that Jesus has justified the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

Jesus doesn't need your help to save you. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25. Jesus has done it all and he did it perfectly. By his righteous, sinless life, Jesus, in our name and on our behalf has fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4.

Jesus has victoriously atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not ours only but for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2.

Jesus, in our name and on our behalf, has met all of the requirements for our salvation. We can now say with all confidence that "We are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10.

 

[Mungo]

If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel.

That depends on your definition of the Gospel. I suspect you have your own personal definition.

Nor is it the Gospel plus Catholicism. Catholicism is a denial that Jesus has justified the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

That is not true. But then you provide no evidence for that claim. It's just your opinion.

 

[Christ_empowered]

It’s appealing at a sentimental level I think. Truth? When it comes to morality and questions if meaning and purpose sola scriptura is awesome . Aside from that…

I see the value of tradition and other sorts of knowledge.

 

[Robert Pate]

That depends on your definition of the Gospel. I suspect you have your own personal definition.


That is not true. But then you provide no evidence for that claim. It's just your opinion.

All that I have to offer is scripture. Scripture is not enough for you.

 

[Mungo]

All that I have to offer is scripture. Scripture is not enough for you.

Exactly you offer scripture but no evidence for the claims you make

You claim the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5 but provide no evidence for that claim.

You say "If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel." But what, according to you, is the Gospel?
Is it the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (and Paul) or the Gospel of Pate?

You need to define your terms.
Then make your propositions
And then provide relevant scripture - and other evidence. Otherwise you are just giving your personal opinions.

 

[Robert Pate]

Exactly you offer scripture but no evidence for the claims you make

You claim the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5 but provide no evidence for that claim.

You say "If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel." But what, according to you, is the Gospel?
Is it the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (and Paul) or the Gospel of Pate?

You need to define your terms.
Then make your propositions
And then provide relevant scripture - and other evidence. Otherwise you are just giving your personal opinions.

The scriptures speak for themselves. Catholics do not believe in scripture alone. All that the Lord has given us is the scriptures. Everything else is out of man conceived religions, which are worthless.

 

[Robert Pate]

It’s appealing at a sentimental level I think. Truth? When it comes to morality and questions if meaning and purpose sola scriptura is awesome . Aside from that…

I see the value of tradition and other sorts of knowledge.

The Bible is the word of God. Traditions and other sorts of knowledge are of men.

 

[Mungo]

The scriptures speak for themselves. Catholics do not believe in scripture alone. All that the Lord has given us is the scriptures. Everything else is out of man conceived religions, which are worthless.

So you have zero evidence for your claim about the Catholic Church; that it is in denial of Rom 4:5

You cannot define what you mean by "The Gospel" so how can we know what is added to it?

All we get from you are your personal opinions.

 

[Robert Pate]

So you have zero evidence for your claim about the Catholic Church; that it is in denial of Rom 4:5

You cannot define what you mean by "The Gospel" so how can we know what is added to it?

All we get from you are your personal opinions.

The Gospel is the work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf, that Justifies, sanctifies and redeems us, 1 Corinthians 1:30. No laws, rules or religion needed. We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[Mungo]

The Gospel is the work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf, that Justifies, sanctifies and redeems us, 1 Corinthians 1:30. No laws, rules or religion needed. We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

You have a very limited view of the gospel. It is more than Paul's letters.
The gospel is the whole of the teaching and actions of Jesus Christ. It started even before Christ was born.
In the gospel according to Mark and John it starts with John the Baptist baptising.
In the gospel according to Mathew it starts with his birth.
In the gospel according to Luke it starts with the announcement of the conception of John the Baptist.
But even they do not complete the gospel because we learn more in the other books of the NT.

You still have not provided any evidence your claim that the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5.

 

[Robert Pate]

You have a very limited view of the gospel. It is more than Paul's letters.
The gospel is the whole of the teaching and actions of Jesus Christ. It started even before Christ was born.
In the gospel according to Mark and John it starts with John the Baptist baptising.
In the gospel according to Mathew it starts with his birth.
In the gospel according to Luke it starts with the announcement of the conception of John the Baptist.
But even they do not complete the gospel because we learn more in the other books of the NT.

You still have not provided any evidence your claim that the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5.

I think that you are without hope. You don't know what the Gospel is, nor do you want to know what it is.

 

[Mungo]

I think that you are without hope. You don't know what the Gospel is, nor do you want to know what it is.

Wow!
Do you think that only part of "The Gospel According To Mark" is actually the gospel?

Do you think Mark was wrong when he wrote "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." because it wasn't the beginning of the gospel?

And you still haven't given any evidence to support your claim that the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5

 

[Robert Pate]

Wow!
Do you think that only part of "The Gospel According To Mark" is actually the gospel?

Do you think Mark was wrong when he wrote "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." because it wasn't the beginning of the gospel?

And you still haven't given any evidence to support your claim that the Catholic Church is in denial of Rom 4:5

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the Gospel that justifies the ungodly and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

When you brothers compiled the Bible, they wanted to hide Paul's Gospel so they said, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the Gospel. We that have been born again are aware of Satan's tricks. The Gospel is that marvelous work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf that makes us perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[Mungo]

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the Gospel that justifies the ungodly and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

When you brothers compiled the Bible, they wanted to hide Paul's Gospel so they said, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the Gospel. We that have been born again are aware of Satan's tricks. The Gospel is that marvelous work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf that makes us perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

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WOW! You don't believe the scriptures that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are gospels even though Mark starts his gospel "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."

Matthew wrote "And he went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every infirmity among the people." (Mt 4:23)

Luke wrote "And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere." (Lk 9:6)

Andf Luke records "Now when they [Peter & John] had testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans."

You are out on a limb.

 

[Robert Pate]

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WOW! You don't believe the scriptures that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are gospels even though Mark starts his gospel "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."

Matthew wrote "And he went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every infirmity among the people." (Mt 4:23)

Luke wrote "And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere." (Lk 9:6)

Andf Luke records "Now when they [Peter & John] had testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans."

You are out on a limb.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John should have been called "The Christ Event", there is no Gospel in any of those books. The closest thing to the Gospel is John 3:16-18.

Paul defined what Gospel is in the 4th, 5th and 6th chapter of Romans. Ephesians 1:12-13 also spells out what the Gospel is. Faith in Christ and his Gospel is the entrance into eternal life.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the Gospel that brings the Holy Spirit and causes us to be born again.

 

[Mungo]

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John should have been called "The Christ Event", there is no Gospel in any of those books. The closest thing to the Gospel is John 3:16-18.

Then you are in denial of scripture. I clearly showed that Matthew, Mark and Luke referred to the gospel.
Matthew wrote "And he [Jesus] went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every infirmity among the people." (Mt 4:23)

Paul defined what Gospel is in the 4th, 5th and 6th chapter of Romans. Ephesians 1:12-13 also spells out what the Gospel is. Faith in Christ and his Gospel is the entrance into eternal life.

Rom 4,5, and 6 do not even contain the word gospel.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the Gospel that brings the Holy Spirit and causes us to be born again.

So do you have a two gospel theory?
The gospel of Jesus Christ, as preached by Jesus Christ himself and written about by Matthew, Mark and Luke, - and the gospel of Pateism?

 

[Robert Pate]

Then you are in denial of scripture. I clearly showed that Matthew, Mark and Luke referred to the gospel.
Matthew wrote "And he [Jesus] went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every infirmity among the people." (Mt 4:23)


Rom 4,5, and 6 do not even contain the word gospel.



So do you have a two gospel theory?
The gospel of Jesus Christ, as preached by Jesus Christ himself and written about by Matthew, Mark and Luke, - and the gospel of Pateism?

Jesus never did preach a Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus was a preacher of the Mosiac law. Jesus left it up to the apostles to preach the Gospel. After Pentecost and the Gospel was revealed to the apostles, Acts chapter 2. The apostles went everywhere preaching the Gospel. The book of Acts chapter 2 is how the Gospel gave birth to the New Testament Church. You need to read about it.

 

[Mungo]

Jesus never did preach a Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus was a preacher of the Mosiac law. Jesus left it up to the apostles to preach the Gospel. After Pentecost and the Gospel was revealed to the apostles, Acts chapter 2. The apostles went everywhere preaching the Gospel. The book of Acts chapter 2 is how the Gospel gave birth to the New Testament Church. You need to read about it.

That is fantasy.
Acts 2 says nothing about another gospel.
Do you really believe that Jesus spent 3 years teaching the apostles; gave them instructions to preach to the whole world, but didn't tell them it was a waste of time because they had to teach another gospel that they didn't know about?

 

[Robert Pate]

That is fantasy.
Acts 2 says nothing about another gospel.
Do you really believe that Jesus spent 3 years teaching the apostles; gave them instructions to preach to the whole world, but didn't tell them it was a waste of time because they had to teach another gospel that they didn't know about?

Acts 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Before Pentecost the apostles had no idea of what the Gospel was.

 

[Iconoclast]

Acts 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Before Pentecost the apostles had no idea of what the Gospel was.

More nonsense, you never get it right:
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith
, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.