The Great Tribulation

[dwb001]

It's exactly what occurred when Jerusalem fell. History and scripture are the proof.

And what is your proof that the prophecy ended there?

 

[DJT_47]

And what is your proof that the prophecy ended there?

Read the parallel verses, Mark 13 and Luke 21, to understand Mat 24 which will clarify Mat 24. You'll see the questions posed to Jesus are different and that Jesus response in Mat 24 is dealing with 2 separate events, 1 being the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the other, the end of the age as infered in Mark 13. Also, note his language clearly being directed to them to which he was speaking, "you", not language infering future persons such as 'they at that time' or something similar. Read the 3 accounts together.

 

[dwb001]

Read the parallel verses, Mark 13 and Luke 21, to understand Mat 24 which will clarify Mat 24. You'll see the questions posed to Jesus are different and that Jesus response in Mat 24 is dealing with 2 separate events, 1 being the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the other, the end of the age as infered in Mark 13. Also, note his language clearly being directed to them to which he was speaking, "you", not language infering future persons such as 'they at that time' or something similar. Read the 3 accounts together.

Still no proof that the prophecy was complete at that time.
Another case of "now and not yet".
Possible... isn't it?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It seems as if everyone on the board thinks we all go through the great trib, so let's use this thread to discuss what we may be facing. Scripture says it a time a trouble on the earth such as never has happened before or will not ever again, so that sounds bad. Scripture even says that fear will come upon men and men will be dying from terror as their hearts fail them, right?

Wow. So what's on the doomsday list other than WW III? Demonic Alien invasion? Nephilim giants? Hybrid killer animals for search & destroy? Famine? worst pandemics ever?

What do you think we will face?

The great tribulation starts at the time of the end when the king of the north(man of sin) goes forth to destroy and utterly inihilate many.

Daniel 11:44-45
But rumors and anxieties out of the east and from the north shall trouble him; and he shall come with great wrath to destroy many.
And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

It is during this time of war that Christ comes and saves his elect.The first resurrection takes place and the man of sin in Daniel 11:45 comes to his end.
This time of great tribulation is often called the day of the Lord in scripture.
The wicked are removed from the kingdom and the kingdom is given to the saints for an everlasting inheritance.

 

[DJT_47]

Still no proof that the prophecy was complete at that time.
Another case of "now and not yet".
Possible... isn't it?

It's clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future.

 

[dwb001]

It's clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future.

No it is not clear.
If it was clear would we all not agree?
Since we don't all agree, I would thing there is some un-clearness about the situation.
So you deny the possibility of prophecy being applicable to multiple events?
So you have closed your mind to the possibility?
What would it take to change your perspective?

All this to say... It is NOT clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future

 

[JLB]

Read the parallel verses, Mark 13 and Luke 21, to understand Mat 24 which will clarify Mat 24. You'll see the questions posed to Jesus are different and that Jesus response in Mat 24 is dealing with 2 separate events, 1 being the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the other, the end of the age as infered in Mark 13. Also, note his language clearly being directed to them to which he was speaking, "you", not language infering future persons such as 'they at that time' or something similar. Read the 3 accounts together.

All three accounts refer to the coming of the Lord, which is the Day of the Lord as spoken by the Prophet Zechariah.


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-5


Did the Lord fight against the Romans in 70 AD?

 

[Consecrated Life]

No it is not clear.
If it was clear would we all not agree?
Since we don't all agree, I would thing there is some un-clearness about the situation.
So you deny the possibility of prophecy being applicable to multiple events?
So you have closed your mind to the possibility?
What would it take to change your perspective?

All this to say... It is NOT clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future

Jesus specifically tells the disciples that they will not be the generation who see the signs & will witness His return to earth .


Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It's clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future.

It's clear to me that Jesus was speaking of his coming in Mathew 24 .

Mathew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Exactly what year are you claiming Christ came anyways?

 

[Edward]

Jesus specifically tells the disciples that they will not be the generation who see the signs & will witness His return to earth .


Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

That's not right. Matthew 24 is the, Jesus talks about the future chapter.

Matthew 24:
30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.[h] 31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world[i]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation[j] will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.../

The fig tree represents Israel. WHen it's branches bud and it's leaves begin to sprout....this generation will not pass from the scene until these things take place...

WHen did Israels Buds sprout?
I think it was May 10th 1948?
Then it sprouted a couple leaves in 1968.

So if you were born after May 10th 1948 then you are in the last generation of which Jesus was speaking of.

 

[dwb001]

Jesus specifically tells the disciples that they will not be the generation who see the signs & will witness His return to earth .


Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Debunked by a later poster so I will leave it to them.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Debunked by a later poster so I will leave it to them.

So the end of the earth has already happened ?
Dang , I was missed it .
I was hoping to see it when it happened .
Good lookin out though.

Mat 24:3
saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[dwb001]

So the end of the earth has already happened ?
Dang , I was missed it .
I was hoping to see it when it happened .
Good lookin out though.

Mat 24:3
saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Please try to use English sentences as gibberish is not my first language.

 

[DJT_47]

No it is not clear.
If it was clear would we all not agree?
Since we don't all agree, I would thing there is some un-clearness about the situation.
So you deny the possibility of prophecy being applicable to multiple events?
So you have closed your mind to the possibility?
What would it take to change your perspective?

All this to say... It is NOT clear that Jesus was speaking to them, not us in his far distant future

The language of the text speaks for itself in this case including the parallel scriptures and is clear as are the historical events of 70AD.

 

[DJT_47]

All three accounts refer to the coming of the Lord, which is the Day of the Lord as spoken by the Prophet Zechariah.


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-5


Did the Lord fight against the Romans in 70 AD?

There are 2 events. The destruction of the temple and the coming of the Lord. They are not the same event happening at the same time.

 

[dwb001]

The language of the text speaks for itself in this case including the parallel scriptures and is clear as are the historical events of 70AD.

And also there is the possibility that further future events might also be tied to the text.

 

[DJT_47]

It's clear to me that Jesus was speaking of his coming in Mathew 24 .

Mathew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Exactly what year are you claiming Christ came anyways?

As stated in another response. There are 2 events. Tge destruction of the temple and Jerusalem whi h happened in 70 AD, and the coming of the Lord of end of tge age. They are not the same nor happen at the same time. Also as stated previously, you must read the parallel scriptures on Mark 13 and Luke 21 for clarity of Mat 24.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

As stated in another response. There are 2 events. Tge destruction of the temple and Jerusalem whi h happened in 70 AD, and the coming of the Lord of end of tge age. They are not the same nor happen at the same time. Also as stated previously, you must read the parallel scriptures on Mark 13 and Luke 21 for clarity of Mat 24.

I've read the parallel scriptures.
The day of redemption did not take place in 70 ad.

Luke 21:28
When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

 

[JLB]

There are 2 events. The destruction of the temple and the coming of the Lord. They are not the same event happening at the same time.

The destruction of the Temple occured in 70 AD and has nothing whatsoever to do with the coming of the Lord and the end of the age.

Three things occur at the coming of the Lord.

1. The Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
2. The Rapture of the church.
3. The destruction of all the wicked including the antichrist.

Once a person understands these three things occur at the coming of the Lord, they wont be confused with the false teachings of Preterism and the false "pre-trib rapture" doctrine.



JLB

 

[Consecrated Life]

Jesus specifically tells the disciples that they will not be the generation who see the signs & will witness His return to earth .


Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Debunked by a later poster so I will leave it to them.

The only way to debunk Jesus's prophecy would be show the world had ended.
What year did this poster you refer to say that happened ?
Just asking ?

Mat 24:3
Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?