The Great White Throne Judgement

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 19:14 we see Jesus coming with His army which comprises the host (angels) of heaven that come down from heaven with Him. The faithful saints of God both asleep in the grave and those who are still alive at His coming will be gathered together and given new glorified bodies as we are now called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The faithful saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus and His host in the air (being the point where we will be gathered to Him) as we will then be with the Lord forever when He comes to plant His feet on the Mount of Olives and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation (makes an end of sin). Jesus will destroy the great harlot of mystery Babylon casting the beast, false prophet and Satan into the lake of fire. (Daniel 8:13,14; 12:1-4; Matthew 16:27, 28; 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Jude 1:14; 2Thessalonians 1:7-10; Jude 1:14-21; Rev 17:14)

John 5:21-30 are the words of Jesus that shows us He is the one who sits on the great white throne in Gods final judgement and Paul confirms this in Acts 17:31. Jesus brings His rewards with Him on the last day, John 6:40; Revelation 22:10-21, and after exposing mystery Babylon and her great harlot, Jesus then destroys her by casting the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire. After this the remnant that are still alive and have followed after the harlot having no faith in God are destroyed by the words of Jesus as they like those before them have physically died in their sins against God and sleep in the grave where they will be resurrected from the grave to stand in Gods final judgement. John 5:28-29, Revelation 17:7-18; 18:1-19; 19:20, 21; 20:10.

Rev 20:1-3 Satan is bound for a while during this thousand year reign of Christ as he can no longer deceive the nations (people). IMO, the word thousand is not literal here, but symbolic for a large number or a long period of time as in these scriptures: Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Ecclesiastes 6:6; 7:28; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; Daniel 5:1; 7:10; 2Peter 3:8. Many look for a physical kingdom and read into Rev 20 that Christ will reign for a thousand years. The truth is that Christ has always reigned with God from the foundation of the world and for eternity even though Satan caused the nations (kingdoms of God) to sin against God, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17, those kingdoms will once again be the kingdoms of God and His Son Christ Jesus at the sounding of the seventh trumpet when His wrath is poured out on those who refuse to repent and turn back to Him accepting His Son Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior, Rev 11:15-19. Satan will be loosed for a time, but only for his own demise as he will take one last attempt to destroy the saints of God using his army of fallen angels to surround the camp of the saints, but his army are consumed by the fire God sends on them and then Jesus will cast Satan into the lake of fire, Rev 20:7-10.

Following Satan being cast into the lake of fire and can no longer accuse the brethren, Rev 12:10, the second part of the resurrection, John 5:28, 29, occurs when all who are still alive have been slain by Jesus, Rev 19:21, and those who have died before them will hear the voice of Jesus and come to stand in the great white throne judgment of Gods final judgment where Jesus opens the books and not finding their names written in the book of life are then cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more. Jesus taught that there will be two general resurrections, John 5:25-29, one to eternal life and the other to damnation. Believers in Christ will escape the great white throne Judgment because their debts and transgressions have been paid for by Christ, Colossians 2:13, 14, and their names are found in the Lamb's book of life as they have eternal life with the Father.

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

Revelation 19:14 we see Jesus coming with His army which comprises the host (angels) of heaven that come down from heaven with Him. The faithful saints of God both asleep in the grave and those who are still alive at His coming will be gathered together and given new glorified bodies as we are now called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The faithful saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus and His host in the air (being the point where we will be gathered to Him) as we will then be with the Lord forever when He comes to plant His feet on the Mount of Olives and makes an end to all abominations that cause desolation (makes an end of sin). Jesus will destroy the great harlot of mystery Babylon casting the beast, false prophet and Satan into the lake of fire. (Daniel 8:13,14; 12:1-4; Matthew 16:27, 28; 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Jude 1:14; 2Thessalonians 1:7-10; Jude 1:14-21; Rev 17:14)

As I understand the Scriptures, that is not the correct chronology of the events of the saints rising to meet Jesus in the air and the 'Day of the Lord'. Jesus will not be with his army when the saints are called to 'come up here' and join him in the air. That will be another day, very near, but a different day. That will be the day that Jesus plants his feet on the Mount of Olives. As I understand the Scriptures, when Jesus calls us to gather unto him, he does not come down to the earth. When he does come down and plant his feet on the Mount of Olives that will be the day that all the wicked remaining on the earth will cry out for the rocks to fall on them. The chronology of these events is laid out in chapter 14 of the Revelation, beginning in vs. 14, although we are not given an accounting of the time between the work of the two harvesters.

First comes Jesus and harvests the good harvest from the earth. Then comes the second harvester and harvests the worthless crop and throws it into the winepress of God's wrath. Here on the earth, we may experience hours or days between the visitation of the two harvesters. However, unlike what we are told in the 'Left Behind' series, there won't be any come to Jesus moments after the gathering of the good harvest by the Lord... the first harvester.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Believers in Christ will escape the great white throne Judgment because their debts and transgressions have been paid for by Christ

Do you mean to say they will "survive" the judgement, or do you mean to say they will "avoid" the judgement?

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you mean to say they will "survive" the judgement, or do you mean to say they will "avoid" the judgement?

All those who are truly Christ own through the Spiritual rebirth from above, alive and in the grave, will be caught up to Him when He returns as we will have already been judged and our names found in the Lamb's Book of Life being His own for all of eternity.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

All those who are truly Christ own through the Spiritual rebirth from above, alive and in the grave, will be caught up to Him when He returns as we will have already been judged and our names found in the Lamb's Book of Life being His own for all of eternity.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Is our judgement prior to the Great White Throne Judgement spoken of in Scripture?

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

As I understand the Scriptures, that is not the correct chronology of the events of the saints rising to meet Jesus in the air and the 'Day of the Lord'. Jesus will not be with his army when the saints are called to 'come up here' and join him in the air. That will be another day, very near, but a different day. That will be the day that Jesus plants his feet on the Mount of Olives. As I understand the Scriptures, when Jesus calls us to gather unto him, he does not come down to the earth. When he does come down and plant his feet on the Mount of Olives that will be the day that all the wicked remaining on the earth will cry out for the rocks to fall on them. The chronology of these events is laid out in chapter 14 of the Revelation, beginning in vs. 14, although we are not given an accounting of the time between the work of the two harvesters.

First comes Jesus and harvests the good harvest from the earth. Then comes the second harvester and harvests the worthless crop and throws it into the winepress of God's wrath. Here on the earth, we may experience hours or days between the visitation of the two harvesters. However, unlike what we are told in the 'Left Behind' series, there won't be any come to Jesus moments after the gathering of the good harvest by the Lord... the first harvester.

As far as the Left Behind series they are only for entertainment that made many rich as they are not scriptural, but I digress as that is another topic.

When we compare Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28-29; 1Thess 4:13-18 and Rev 19:1-21 to name a few scriptures, this gives us the timing, not in days or hours, but only of Christ return. On that day, being the last day, when Christ returns, I believe all things will happen quickly before the New Jerusalem is ushered down from Heaven, Rev 21.

All of this includes the seven trumpets, seven vial judgements, the destruction of mystery Babylon, son of perdition/false prophet/last antichrist as then begins the harvest of those who are Christ own as the Marriage supper of the Lamb is made ready when the wheat is separated from the tares, sheep from the goats.

 

[miamited]

Morning for_his_glory and a wonderful day of celebrating the risen Lord to you,

Yes, Matthew 24:29-31 tells us that 'immediately after the distress of those days. That's immediately after the days of great tribulation that come upon the earth due to the wickedness of man and the spirit of Anti-christ that will seem to be taken up by all the unbelievers on the earth. That's the 'distress' that Jesus is referring to.

Then all the peoples of the earth will see the sign of the Son of Man and he will come in the clouds, not on the earth, and harvest all those who belong to him from the earth. Vs. 31, in fact, tells us that Jesus doesn't come to the earth to take those who are his, but that he sends his angels to the earth to take those who are his.

John 5:28-29 is speaking of the time of the great white throne judgment. Everyone who has ever lived will be raised at this final judgment. It cannot, however, be speaking of the time of the gathering of the elect to Jesus, because that time, we are told will only be the resurrection from the grave of the righteous and also those who haven't even experienced the grave will gather to be with Jesus. According to Paul's teaching and the teaching of Revelation 14:14-20 the righteous are gathered to Jesus separately from the wicked. However, at the great white throne judgment all are raised to judgment at once.

And yes, your reference to 1 Thess. clearly says that some will not be in the grave when the gathering of the righteous to Jesus occurs. That's not quite the same as all those who are in the graves are raised.

Finally, Revelation 19 tells us about what is happening in heaven as the harlot of Babylon and the beast are destroyed by the Lord Jesus and his coming with God's wrath upon the earth. That will be after those who belong to him are gathered from the four corners of the earth as seems to be clear in the very first words of that passage. There is a great shout of hallelujahs from those who have been taken out of the way of God's wrath released upon the earth that has slain the great harlot and the beast and yes, after all of that comes the wedding feast of the righteous with the Lord, Jesus.

There will be different times that these things occur. But the beginning for the world to realize that it's all over will be when Jesus calls from the clouds and sends his angels to collect the righteous, whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life, are gathered to him in the clouds. Then those who remain will suffer the wrath of God released upon the earth. Then will the great harlot and beast be destroyed as God's wrath is poured out upon them from the trumpet and bowl judgments.

This is what Paul teaches on the subject. That first the righteous will be taken out of the way after they have endured the days of great tribulation and then God's wrath will be poured out upon those who remain.

Happy Easter to you. He is risen. And by that resurrection God has given us proof that He can do what He has promised to do for those who are faithful to him. Praise God!!

 

[for_his_glory]

Morning for_his_glory and a wonderful day of celebrating the risen Lord to you,



Yes, Matthew 24:29-31 tells us that 'immediately after the distress of those days. That's immediately after the days of great tribulation that come upon the earth due to the wickedness of man and the spirit of Anti-christ that will seem to be taken up by all the unbelievers on the earth. That's the 'distress' that Jesus is referring to.



Then all the peoples of the earth will see the sign of the Son of Man and he will come in the clouds, not on the earth, and harvest all those who belong to him from the earth. Vs. 31, in fact, tells us that Jesus doesn't come to the earth to take those who are his, but that he sends his angels to the earth to take those who are his.



John 5:28-29 is speaking of the time of the great white throne judgment. Everyone who has ever lived will be raised at this final judgment. It cannot, however, be speaking of the time of the gathering of the elect to Jesus, because that time, we are told will only be the resurrection from the grave of the righteous and also those who haven't even experienced the grave will gather to be with Jesus. According to Paul's teaching and the teaching of Revelation 14:14-20 the righteous are gathered to Jesus separately from the wicked. However, at the great white throne judgment all
are raised to judgment at once.

And yes, your reference to 1 Thess. clearly says that some will not be in the grave when the gathering of the righteous to Jesus occurs. That's not quite the same as all those who are in the graves are raised.

Finally, Revelation 19 tells us about what is happening in heaven as the harlot of Babylon and the beast are destroyed by the Lord Jesus and his coming with God's wrath upon the earth. That will be after those who belong to him are gathered from the four corners of the earth as seems to be clear in the very first words of that passage. There is a great shout of hallelujahs from those who have been taken out of the way of God's wrath released upon the earth that has slain the great harlot and the beast and yes, after all of that comes the wedding feast of the righteous with the Lord, Jesus.

There will be different times that these things occur. But the beginning for the world to realize that it's all over will be when Jesus calls from the clouds and sends his angels to collect the righteous, whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life, are gathered to him in the clouds. Then those who remain will suffer the wrath of God released upon the earth. Then will the great harlot and beast be destroyed as God's wrath is poured out upon them from the trumpet and bowl judgments.

This is what Paul teaches on the subject. That first the righteous will be taken out of the way after they have endured the days of great tribulation and then God's wrath will be poured out upon those who remain.

Happy Easter to you. He is risen. And by that resurrection God has given us proof that He can do what He has promised to do for those who are faithful to him. Praise God!!

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

These verses are explicit of what we are to watch for, but yet only to know this will happen after the seventh trumpet has sounded and all that will receive the mark of this beast sealing their damnation for all eternity.

 

[for_his_glory]

Morning for_his_glory and a wonderful day of celebrating the risen Lord to you,

Yes, Matthew 24:29-31 tells us that 'immediately after the distress of those days. That's immediately after the days of great tribulation that come upon the earth due to the wickedness of man and the spirit of Anti-christ that will seem to be taken up by all the unbelievers on the earth. That's the 'distress' that Jesus is referring to.

Then all the peoples of the earth will see the sign of the Son of Man and he will come in the clouds, not on the earth, and harvest all those who belong to him from the earth. Vs. 31, in fact, tells us that Jesus doesn't come to the earth to take those who are his, but that he sends his angels to the earth to take those who are his.

John 5:28-29 is speaking of the time of the great white throne judgment. Everyone who has ever lived will be raised at this final judgment. It cannot, however, be speaking of the time of the gathering of the elect to Jesus, because that time, we are told will only be the resurrection from the grave of the righteous and also those who haven't even experienced the grave will gather to be with Jesus. According to Paul's teaching and the teaching of Revelation 14:14-20 the righteous are gathered to Jesus separately from the wicked. However, at the great white throne judgment all are raised to judgment at once.

And yes, your reference to 1 Thess. clearly says that some will not be in the grave when the gathering of the righteous to Jesus occurs. That's not quite the same as all those who are in the graves are raised.

Finally, Revelation 19 tells us about what is happening in heaven as the harlot of Babylon and the beast are destroyed by the Lord Jesus and his coming with God's wrath upon the earth. That will be after those who belong to him are gathered from the four corners of the earth as seems to be clear in the very first words of that passage. There is a great shout of hallelujahs from those who have been taken out of the way of God's wrath released upon the earth that has slain the great harlot and the beast and yes, after all of that comes the wedding feast of the righteous with the Lord, Jesus.

There will be different times that these things occur. But the beginning for the world to realize that it's all over will be when Jesus calls from the clouds and sends his angels to collect the righteous, whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life, are gathered to him in the clouds. Then those who remain will suffer the wrath of God released upon the earth. Then will the great harlot and beast be destroyed as God's wrath is poured out upon them from the trumpet and bowl judgments.

This is what Paul teaches on the subject. That first the righteous will be taken out of the way after they have endured the days of great tribulation and then God's wrath will be poured out upon those who remain.

Happy Easter to you. He is risen. And by that resurrection God has given us proof that He can do what He has promised to do for those who are faithful to him. Praise God!!

Happy resurrection day to you and yours

 

[miamited]

These verses are explicit of what we are to watch for

Yes, but my point was that 'these things' come after the days of great tribulation. Not during or before. Which supports the position that the days of great tribulation are not the same days as the days of God's wrath... which is my point. Believers who are alive in the last days will live through the days of great tribulation. They will not experience the days of God's wrath. Many seem confused that when the Scriptures speak of the days of Great Tribulation, that they are speaking of the same days as the days of God's wrath. They are not. The Great Tribulation comes upon all mankind and even the saints who are alive at that time will endure them. The days of God's wrath, which is what comes 'immediately after those days of distress' is what is being spoken of as the sign of the Son of Man that comes after the days of great tribulation.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, but my point was that 'these things' come after the days of great tribulation. Not during or before. Which supports the position that the days of great tribulation are not the same days as the days of God's wrath... which is my point. Believers who are alive in the last days will live through the days of great tribulation. They will not experience the days of God's wrath. Many seem confused that when the Scriptures speak of the days of Great Tribulation, that they are speaking of the same days as the days of God's wrath. They are not. The Great Tribulation comes upon all mankind and even the saints who are alive at that time will endure them. The days of God's wrath, which is what comes 'immediately after those days of distress' is what is being spoken of as the sign of the Son of Man that comes after the days of great tribulation.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

What many are missing is the word "shall" in Matthew 24:13 as it's expressed as a future tense that indicates a promise.

For by grace, as it's only Gods favor extended to all who will receive it by faith, is a free gift as we become His workmanship created in Christ unto good works that God ordained that we should continue walking in the good works of Christ, Ephesians 2:8; Matthew 25:31-40. We can not earn our salvation by our own works nor do we even deserve Gods grace, Genesis 6:6-8. Only by a mustard seed of faith do we come to Christ and repent of our sins are we then only washed clean by the blood of Christ and become Spiritually reborn again (not saved) through the Spiritual rebirth of John 3:3-6 by that of Romans 10:9,10.

Matthew 24:13 says that those who endure until the end shall be saved. This means enduring all the trials and tribulations that this world will bring against us for the sake of our witness and testimony of Christ, Acts 14:22, Rev 2:10. The end means the end of our days here on this present earth when those in the grave and we who are still alive at His coming will then be caught up to Christ and are saved at that time as we have endured all things and never gave up our faith in Christ.

God's word never said we would not go through trials or tribulations, but through many trials and tribulations if we endure until the end then we will see the Kingdom of God, Acts 14:22, as we are all called into discipleship as we share our witness and testimony with those who have not yet repented and turned back to God. Below are twenty reasons why God allows us to go through trials and tribulations so that we will always remain in His will.


Why God allows us to go through trials and tribulations:
1. Training as God prepares us for the future
2. Patience as we rely and trust in God's timing
3. Perseverance through trials that we remain in Gods will
4. Trust as God's ways are not our ways and He has a better plan for us
5. To learn from our mistakes
6. To humble ourselves before Him
7. To discipline us
8. Teach us to be dependent on Him alone
9. To spend quiet time with God so He can speak to us
10. To teach us of His protection
11. That we also share in the sufferings of Christ that we be not ashamed
12. Strengthen us to become more like Christ
13. To develop character
14. Build up our faith in the Lord
15. For a testimony and witness to help others
16. To show us sin in our lives that we need to own up to having
17. To remind us that God is in control
18. Helps us gain knowledge and understanding God's word
19. Teaches us to be thankful
20. To take our mind off the things of the world and put them back on God

Satan's attacks are very real that can cause us to be sick, depressed and our anxiety levels can go through the roof. Satan will also put thoughts of suicide in our heads as he has done to me in the past. But, if we are seeking and growing our relationship with Christ we then learn to put on the whole armour of God as we stand against his devises, Ephesians 6:10-20.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

Again, I don't know what all of that long expose is about as regards why we endure trials and tribulations. I was merely making the point that believers will go through the 'great tribulation'. Surely you recognize that the days of great tribulation like as has never been before nor will ever be again, aren't referring to the trials and tribulations that we all go through in life... right? That the passage in Matthew where Jesus speaks of something happening 'immediately after the distress of those days, is referring to those days as the days of great tribulation that Jesus mentioned were coming upon us. That the reference in the Scriptures of God's wrath and the reference in the Scriptures of the days of great tribulation are not referencing the same event or time.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

Again, I don't know what all of that long expose is about as regards why we endure trials and tribulations. I was merely making the point that believers will go through the 'great tribulation'. Surely you recognize that the days of great tribulation like as has never been before nor will ever be again, aren't referring to the trials and tribulations that we all go through in life... right? That the passage in Matthew where Jesus speaks of something happening 'immediately after the distress of those days, is referring to those days as the days of great tribulation that Jesus mentioned were coming upon us. That the reference in the Scriptures of God's wrath and the reference in the Scriptures of the days of great tribulation are not referencing the same event or time.

I explained why we go through trials and tribulations that have always been and will continue until the coming of the Lord. No where in scripture does it mention a seven year Great Tribulation, but only seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath as scripture says we will always have tribulations as the last time will be such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21; Deut 4:30-31; 7:19; 29:1-6; 1 Samuel 26:24; Matthew; John 16:33; Romans 12:12; 24:21; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6.

Jesus taught us what we must endure in Matthew 24 as these are the things we have to endure until the coming of the Lord that includes the 3 1/2 years of the son of perdition/false prophet/last antichrist. There will be a great falling away from faith as many who are weak can be deceived by Satan and will reach out to take the mark of this beast sealing their fate of damnation as they fear for their own lives. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Until the end is the end of of days when Christ returns and sends His angels out to gather together all who are Christ own.

Jesus never said that we will not go through trials and tribulations, which also includes the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the son of perdition/false prophet/last antichrist, but that our focus needs to be on Christ and not to fear those who can kill the body, but never the soul, Matthew 10:28.

 

[miamited]

No where in scripture does it mention a seven year Great Tribulation,

Yes, but there is this:

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation
Matthew 24:21
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mark 13:19
19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

So, while you are certainly free to say that there is no mention of the word 'tribulation' attached to any 7 year prophecy, it does seem quite clear that there is going to be a specific time of great distress that the world has never known before that time of great distress nor ever will be again.

And if you look at the various translations, you'll find that most translations, on this account of the words of Jesus, do use the word 'tribulation'.

For some reason, and I honestly can't understand it, you seem to believe that these words of Jesus of a specific time of great distress or tribulation are merely speaking of the general trials and tribulations that we all experience in life. On that, I disagree. For me, it seems clear that Jesus is speaking of a specific time in the history of the earth of a time of a particularly distressing time that will be like none that anyone has ever experienced as some daily trials and tribulations. But that's just my understanding on his words.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, but there is this:

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation
Matthew 24:21
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mark 13:19
19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

So, while you are certainly free to say that there is no mention of the word 'tribulation' attached to any 7 year prophecy, it does seem quite clear that there is going to be a specific time of great distress that the world has never known before that time of great distress nor ever will be again.

And if you look at the various translations, you'll find that most translations, on this account of the words of Jesus, do use the word 'tribulation'.

For some reason, and I honestly can't understand it, you seem to believe that these words of Jesus of a specific time of great distress or tribulation are merely speaking of the general trials and tribulations that we all experience in life. On that, I disagree. For me, it seems clear that Jesus is speaking of a specific time in the history of the earth of a time of a particularly distressing time that will be like none that anyone has ever experienced as some daily trials and tribulations. But that's just my understanding on his words.

I never said the word tribulation is not found in scripture as what I said is that there is no mention of a seven year tribulation. Emphasis on seven years.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[miamited]

I never said the word tribulation is not found in scripture as what I said is that there is no mention of a seven year tribulation.

Ok, then we are agreed that there will be some 'great' tribulation that is not just the trials and tribulations that we all endure, right? And we do agree that for this 'great' tribulation that the Scriptures speak of, believers will be here to live through that period, right? We just don't know how long that period of 'great' tribulation might be and I'm actually in agreement with that.

However, as regards Daniel's prophecy, do you believe that there is still one week of the prophecy to be fulfilled, or do you believe that all 70 weeks have passed in time on the earth and are done with?

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok, then we are agreed that there will be some 'great' tribulation that is not just the trials and tribulations that we all endure, right? And we do agree that for this 'great' tribulation that the Scriptures speak of, believers will be here to live through that period, right? We just don't know how long that period of 'great' tribulation might be and I'm actually in agreement with that.

However, as regards Daniel's prophecy, do you believe that there is still one week of the prophecy to be fulfilled, or do you believe that all 70 weeks have passed in time on the earth and are done with?

Yes I believe we are in agreement and will add this.

During the first six trumpets we read all the destruction that will befall earth and its inhabitants during God's great wrath being poured out into the world on those who are none of Christ as they refuse to repent. This will be worldwide which will cause much chaos and great fear in the hearts of those who have no understanding, Hosea 4:6, 7. They will be seeking a type of savior, yet rejecting the very Savior, Christ Jesus, who wants to save them.

During the sounding of the seventh trumpet they will accept this deceptive savior who is the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, who will take his seat in Jerusalem on the very Temple Mount where the Dome of the Rock sits and even now is being refurbished. He will try and rule the nations for 3 1/2 years causing all to bow down and take its mark as he promises peace and safety displaying lying signs and wonders claiming he is God. Those who refuse will be taken captive and dealt with as many Christians will either become a slave or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21, At the end of the 3 1/2 years of the beast and its false prophet, Christ returns with His army (warring angels) from heaven and fights the final battle destroying the beast and false prophet by the spirit (word) of His mouth and the brightness of His coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, casting both into the lake of fire. Then will Christ destroy the remnant being those who followed after the beast out of the earth from every nation that have always followed and obeyed the beast.