The Hatred of God

[childeye]

Nope. That is just the body. But "flesh" as in married to self. And being a woman invited all the men/devils inside.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

This the "evil generation" did. And all got "drunk of the wrath of her fornication. And all the kings/devils committed fornicaton with her.

Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

A new marriage would take place now. You can read my thread on it in The Marriage.

So are you saying that the hatred of God, is the hating of flesh, is the hatred of selfishness?

 

[banded butterfly]

The Hatred of God

Something barely touched.

But so necessary.

Part of Jesus.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


And therefore part of us. When we are ready.


So in Jesus there is a hatred. And we need to get knowledge about it to be able to grow into everything that He is.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


We know that the first Adam did not succeed.

And God rejected Him. And created the second Man.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


And now God can proceed with the punishment of the old.

Death!

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:


So there needs be the hatred for the first Adam.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


But mostly we see the love of the self and the own family.

So we need this power from God. Hatred!

Then we can proceed to rinse ourselves of everthing of Adam. And accept that we are the second Man.

And we will look at the second Man differently. We will understand the purpose of the second Man.

He replaced the first. It is done already. We just need to see and accept. This “see” has to do with the gifts that God gave who teaches in the Power of God.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Then we will see the “perfect man” and through the power of the Faith of God that “perfect man” will be on earth again.

Can a creator spirit that is all that is described in Isaiah 45:7-8 hate? As humans understand the word?
The Hebrew verb śā·nê , (hate) , in that scripture is a transliteration of the Hebrew idiom for "loves less".
Do you think per the scripture that God really hated Esau? Or is there a deeper meaning lost to English language translation?

Biblical Hebrew Love/Hate

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh you are not a sister. You're a Sister! :wink

:yes

 

[Johan]

Oh you are not a sister. You're a Sister! :wink

I agree.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

[Johan]

Interesting points!

Yep. In the beginning. Before revelation comes.

 

[Johan]

Can a creator spirit that is all that is described in Isaiah 45:7-8 hate? As humans understand the word?
The Hebrew verb śā·nê , (hate) , in that scripture is a transliteration of the Hebrew idiom for "loves less".
Do you think per the scripture that God really hated Esau? Or is there a deeper meaning lost to English language translation?

Biblical Hebrew Love/Hate

If we change the scripture we miss out. Rather ask for revelation on it. Revelation is God answering you. But while we are a child and growing God will not reveal this. This is for the grown-up person.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[banded butterfly]

If we change the scripture we miss out. Rather ask for revelation on it. Revelation is God answering you. But while we are a child and growing God will not reveal this. This is for the grown-up person.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

It isn't changing the scripture. It is recalling the original language and contextual meaning of the original scripture.

 

[Johan]

Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon
Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

We will get this new anointing of God.
"Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon"
Taunting.

 

[th1b.taylor]

No matter how anyone tries to rationalize this away, it remains Murder, in fact it remains Murder of the image of almighty God. (Gen, 9:6) It is a dangerous thing to play with that much power, one can land in the Eternal Lake of Fire so easily.

 

[ezrider]

What is happening now?

The army is getting ready!

Those with the "hatred of God" will stand up.

Yes, those with the hatred of god shall stand up, and indeed they already have. We witnessed them last week marching through the streets of Charlottesville with there torches lit shouting slogans as they march. They are filled with the rage and anger, they hate others for God, and they march towards their own destruction. They hate the Jews, because God hates the Jews. Is that the hatred of God that you speak of? Because if your seeking to rise up so you can be the hatred of God, then you walk a dangerous path my friend, and the Gospel of Christ is as far from you as could possibly be.


Luke 9:54-55
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.



What manner of spirit are you of that you seek hatred? Do you wish to call down fire from heaven as Elijah did? Know you not what spirit you are of?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes, those with the hatred of god shall stand up, and indeed they already have. We witnessed them last week marching through the streets of Charlottesville with there torches lit shouting slogans as they march. They are filled with the rage and anger, they hate others for God, and they march towards their own destruction. They hate the Jews, because God hates the Jews. Is that the hatred of God that you speak of? Because if your seeking to rise up so you can be the hatred of God, then you walk a dangerous path my friend, and the Gospel of Christ is as far from you as could possibly be.


Luke 9:54-55
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.



What manner of spirit are you of that you seek hatred? Do you wish to call down fire from heaven as Elijah did? Know you not what spirit you are of?

Luke 22:36
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

Peacenicks should be careful, the Word of God does call for balance. There is a time for peace and there is a time to fight.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Luke 22:36
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

Peacenicks should be careful, the Word of God does call for balance. There is a time for peace and there is a time to fight.

 

[24HourJesus]

How can God hate when 1st John 4:8 tells us God is love?

 

[ezrider]

Psalms 2:1-5
Why do the heathen rage,
and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder,
and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
the Lord shall have them in derision.
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath,
and vex them in his sore displeasure.

 

[ezrider]

Romans 12:17-21
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[24HourJesus]

That's not hate though. Human cultural terms can't apply to a sacred and holy spirit. Likely more akin to justice is mine. Vengeance is a sin for humans.

 

[th1b.taylor]

How can God hate when 1st John 4:8 tells us God is love?

Hell-o 24 hr Jesus,
Please don't think I'm Trolling and don't take this wrong but the most common issue factor today with the things the Bible is the lack of preaching. There are churches, not Churches, that look good and the fellowship is great but they do not fellowship with Jesus and anytime a preacher/teacher/Deacon tells you that you cannot find Jesus in the Old Testament, don't argue or debate with them, find a better church because they will assure you that they are either a New Testament or New Covenant Church and far to often today they are not the Church at all, only pretenders and the pretenders come with an assortment of doctrines that keeps them outlf the Old Testament, the very Bible that John, Mark, Matthew, Dr. Luke and even Jesus taught from.

If we are to be followers of Jesus then we must follow Him! And if you look at the ignored scriptures you will find God's anger and the wrath of God. Verses such as Romans 1:18, 1 Thess. 2:16,Pslam 78:31, Proverbs 16:14, Numbers 1113, Rev. 15:7, Isaiah 9:9.

You see, there are many facets to God that we are in need of plumbing and I do not believe that they are found in the scriptures nor on the earth, right now. Now, if you re a father, a good father you will chastise your children to keep them on the straight and level that they not end up in, let's say Prison nor other institutes of punishment.

And failure t correct a one year old will result in a Punk that will break your heart.

 

[banded butterfly]

That's not hate though. Human cultural terms can't apply to a sacred and holy spirit. Likely more akin to justice is mine. Vengeance is a sin for humans.

I think if you read the whole of the Bible starting with the Old Testament, you'll see that God very much carries the characteristics of humans. And why not? We are made in his image and likeness.
Prior to our species fall in the garden after the first newborns He created and in his foreknowledge knew would eat of the fruit he planted there to give them knowledge of good and evil, which means intellect and discernment to choose obedience and disobedience, which they did not possess prior, no more than a newborn baby human does today, He predestined all that transpired then to now. His own words tell us this.
What we're doing is walking in the steps predetermined by the great step-maker. There is no thing Omniscience, (eternal knowledge/gnosis) does not know. And when God himself tells us all about what He is and what He has planned for this life of ours, it is blasphemy to disagree and argue otherwise.
God does hate. God does seek vengeance. God does murder. God did send his Israelite armies to slaughter men and women , babies, children, the unborn. And we have to see that when God's words report it to our attention in the Old Testament. God murdered the first born of every Egyptian household. That means even those in the womb who would be firstborn had they lived.
God is said in the New Testament to be a God of forgiveness.
If that were true, God would have forgiven the mistake Adam and Eve made as unconscious, unaware, newborns when the Satan was allowed to enter the garden of Eden and lead Eve to eat of the forbidden tree God himself planted there bearing the fruits that His omniscience knew, due to his plan, would lead them to damnation. And he would have utterly destroyed Satan, his adversary, his nemesis so that the world would remain paradise.
But he didn't.

Long ago Dualism was decreed a heresy by members of the Catholic's church. And yet, dualism is what propels the scripture and this reality through to the end of time.
Isaiah 45 and particularly verse 7 tells us , no matter how we feel, everything is God!
Everything!
It can be no less than that. Because God himself said, He is the beginning and the end of all things in this creation. And yet he himself has no end. No thing that exists can come from any source but the creator of all that exists. God tells you, he is Sovereign. There is no other.

God hates! God drowned the entire world but for one family, due to the sin upon the earth. That was there because of one lack of forgiveness in the beginning by the God that could have insured sin was never born. But he didn't. It is all part of his plan. And He tells you why. For his Glory!
“All things are from him and through him and to him."

It is important to know the God you worship. And that helps to ease the self-deprecation nature we're led to accept as Christians. Expecting to be more than God himself and that God himself planned for the world and its people before He created the world and its people is folly. If you hate, realize why. Don't feel guilty. God hates. But, don't let that which deserves to be hated own you. Let it go. Because that which is hate filled consumes . While that which revokes hates power thrives. The hater will consume themselves. If you love you, you know you're worth more than to be led into the darkness the hate filled invite you into when they do things that make you want to hate them for it.
Let them go and live with themselves. You do not have to pay them any attention at all.
When God hates, he's God. He can do anything he wants to with his creation. His doctrine from beginning to end is not one of, do as I do. His is instead, do as I say!

Blessings,

 

[Johan]

Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon



And we will find this new anointing of God. Taunting. And we will learn to taunt the “self”/flesh when it wants to rule again.


Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,


And we will sing that Go gave us rest from the sorrow that the flesh brought and the fear that it brought and the “hard bondage” with which it ruled us.


Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!


And we will taunt against the king of Babylon “self/the flesh” which was the oppressor. He has ceased.


Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.


God has broken the staff and sceptre which is the law.


Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.


The law kept on beating and beating persecuting us without us having the power to stop it.



Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.


Now we are resting.

At peace.


Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.



Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.


And joy fill us because nothing is coming against us anymore.


Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.


And self? Hell is meeting with you. Every king/spirit/evil have given up their ruling position in your life.


Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?


And all of them will say to self. You are also weak now.


Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.


You have been full of pride and singing but worms are now under and as cover


Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


You were the shiny one. You are down now.


Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


And you said that you will be above the angels. Having conversations with the heavenlies.



Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


You said that you will be god yourself and creating a live for yourself.


Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


But you are in hell now.


Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;


And those that really see “self/the flesh” will say: Is it really him that created all the evil for whom everybody feared?


Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?


Is it really him that destroyed our lives and kept us prisoners


Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.


And we will realize that yes. And those we blamed, the “satan” and his angels? We will realize that it was never them. They just brought obediently to God the temptations but self made it a reality.


Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[Johan]

Yes, those with the hatred of god shall stand up, and indeed they already have. We witnessed them last week marching through the streets of Charlottesville with there torches lit shouting slogans as they march. They are filled with the rage and anger, they hate others for God, and they march towards their own destruction. They hate the Jews, because God hates the Jews. Is that the hatred of God that you speak of?

This obviously is not God's anger who is spiritual and acts against the spirit of evil. Starting with "self" in yourself. Because if you do not start there you will not know how to take it to your brother.

Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Because if your seeking to rise up so you can be the hatred of God, then you walk a dangerous path my friend, and the Gospel of Christ is as far from you as could possibly be.

Sure this is not the gospel. This is end-time revelation. But you need not fear anything that God create in you. You need to fear having lack of the Life of God.

What manner of spirit are you of that you seek hatred? Do you wish to call down fire from heaven as Elijah did? Know you not what spirit you are of?

Nope. He wanted to burn the human bodies. This one is for the spirit. To burn the "flesh". And the fire is in the Word.

Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?