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The "I HATE NOTRE DAME!" thread.
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I posted a long response after the OP, but it isn't here! ???
Vince, you HATER! That envy will eat you up inside. I'll sum up my last post with an update after game 1. I'm quite sure that my beloved Irish will finish the season outscoring their opponents collectively by about 3,865 - 13 and my prediction is that they win the BCS Championship game by about 418 - 3. I'm sure we'd all agree with that.
I'm sure we'd also agree that Notre Dame is the finest team in the NCAA that ever was fielded and that they are poised to begin their dynasty of no less than 22 straight Championships. That's very obvious, isn't it?
Vince, don't hate and don't envy!
Vince, you HATER! That envy will eat you up inside. I'll sum up my last post with an update after game 1. I'm quite sure that my beloved Irish will finish the season outscoring their opponents collectively by about 3,865 - 13 and my prediction is that they win the BCS Championship game by about 418 - 3. I'm sure we'd all agree with that.
I'm sure we'd also agree that Notre Dame is the finest team in the NCAA that ever was fielded and that they are poised to begin their dynasty of no less than 22 straight Championships. That's very obvious, isn't it?
Vince, don't hate and don't envy!
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Vince, I'm away on vacation and only can access the board from my blackberry. When I get back to my pc, I'll be happy to sufficiently address your envy.
I actually don't have much bad to say about PS except for the FACT that they must have had a deal when they joined the Big 10, because they avoided big games and played UM ans OSU at home for the first few years.
Brian Kelly? That's your slam? Look around... It happens all over. Butch Davis left CMU in the same time frame. If a coach has a chance to move from the likes of UC to ND, he's not going to do it?
ND being near the top is good for college football, like it or not. They'll get there. I think they'll eventually have to join the Big Ten, and then we'll see what's what. They'll own Penn State.
Go Irish!!
I actually don't have much bad to say about PS except for the FACT that they must have had a deal when they joined the Big 10, because they avoided big games and played UM ans OSU at home for the first few years.
Brian Kelly? That's your slam? Look around... It happens all over. Butch Davis left CMU in the same time frame. If a coach has a chance to move from the likes of UC to ND, he's not going to do it?
ND being near the top is good for college football, like it or not. They'll get there. I think they'll eventually have to join the Big Ten, and then we'll see what's what. They'll own Penn State.
Go Irish!!
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"Envy?" I do not envy the deeds of the wicked! My favorite teams are Penn State, Air Force Academy, and whoever is playing against Notre Dame.
I also like Temple (my dad graduated with hones from there after WW2) and Boston College, which some years ago pounded Notre Dame two years in a row, and the other two military academies. But of all these teams, Penn State is the only real powerhouse.
I also like Temple (my dad graduated with hones from there after WW2) and Boston College, which some years ago pounded Notre Dame two years in a row, and the other two military academies. But of all these teams, Penn State is the only real powerhouse.
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Envy! You got a bad case of it! 
Back at my pc again. In all honesty, I'm a huge ND fan, and I don't know why. My dad says before I could even see over the dashboard of our car, I heard the fight song and I followed them since before I could remember. Sure they've been a non-issue for the past 19 years. Sure, they're were always ranked higher than they should have been. Sure they have a contract with NBC who hangs on to them, because it's the only college football contract they can grab.
Honestly, I'm in a quandary. It could be that they are living in the past and think things will return to they way they were decades ago, and they never will. But maybe someone can restore the glory; maybe Brian Kelly.
I can't stop loving a team that had me hooked before I knew what was what. I'm stuck with them. Growing up so close to Ann Arbor, I've endured more than you could possibly dish out. I just don't know how a recruiter can't sell a program by telling a top national recruit they they will have nearly all their games on national TV, and they will likely have a starting position, and not sign some of them. Year after year, the "haves" get more... Florida, Florida St., Alabama, Texas... I actually have a soft spot for Penn State. Love their classic white uniforms and of course Joe Pa, even though he's always looked like an accountant who still works on a adding machine. He seems like a straight up coach who doesn't bend the rules like any of the SEC coaches.
I've heard Happy Valley is a great game-day atmosphere, but South Bend is amazing. Any big-time college game day atmosphere is pretty cool to be a part of.
We'll see how BK does with the program. I don't understand your hate... ahem... envy, but maybe they will once again earn it on the field instead of by reputation and history. :D
Back at my pc again. In all honesty, I'm a huge ND fan, and I don't know why. My dad says before I could even see over the dashboard of our car, I heard the fight song and I followed them since before I could remember. Sure they've been a non-issue for the past 19 years. Sure, they're were always ranked higher than they should have been. Sure they have a contract with NBC who hangs on to them, because it's the only college football contract they can grab.Honestly, I'm in a quandary. It could be that they are living in the past and think things will return to they way they were decades ago, and they never will. But maybe someone can restore the glory; maybe Brian Kelly.
I can't stop loving a team that had me hooked before I knew what was what. I'm stuck with them. Growing up so close to Ann Arbor, I've endured more than you could possibly dish out. I just don't know how a recruiter can't sell a program by telling a top national recruit they they will have nearly all their games on national TV, and they will likely have a starting position, and not sign some of them. Year after year, the "haves" get more... Florida, Florida St., Alabama, Texas... I actually have a soft spot for Penn State. Love their classic white uniforms and of course Joe Pa, even though he's always looked like an accountant who still works on a adding machine. He seems like a straight up coach who doesn't bend the rules like any of the SEC coaches.
I've heard Happy Valley is a great game-day atmosphere, but South Bend is amazing. Any big-time college game day atmosphere is pretty cool to be a part of.
We'll see how BK does with the program. I don't understand your hate... ahem... envy, but maybe they will once again earn it on the field instead of by reputation and history. :D
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Lane Kiffin from Tennessee and Butch Jones from CMU... last year alone. Many other changes but just to mention a few. I tried to extend the hand of sportsmanship, and you deferred. Okay.
A coach who accepts a "promotion" to a national program, I don't want coaching my team. Mutually not in the best interest of both parties.
Hate all you want, envy all you want. The Irish are distinct and universal to college football in a way that Penn State will never be. They ARE the face of college football. Penn State has no legacy to compare to Notre Dame, and every PSU fan should BOW to ND for being an integral part of the game that fans love.
A coach who accepts a "promotion" to a national program, I don't want coaching my team. Mutually not in the best interest of both parties.
Hate all you want, envy all you want. The Irish are distinct and universal to college football in a way that Penn State will never be. They ARE the face of college football. Penn State has no legacy to compare to Notre Dame, and every PSU fan should BOW to ND for being an integral part of the game that fans love.
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Vince, clearly you're a Pennsylvania-anything slappy. That's fine when you're listening to Penn sports talk radio or talking it up over the water cooler, but if you ever venture out of your happy valley, you'll hear one sound when talking up PSU... crickets. That's because no one outside of Penn cares to hear about them.
Queue the soundtrack from Rudy...
Notre Dame has a legacy like no other. Lo, these many decades that football has been played, Notre Dame has been a founding father of the game that you enjoy. You need have more respect for the forefathers who weathered much ado to lay the foundation for the modern game. Mock if you will, but those gold helmets mean more to college football than the practice uniforms (yeah, I said I like them) that PSU wears on game day. The Blue and Gold stand for the echos from the past, and the thunder from the sky.
Vince, what you need to understand is that in all of your scoffing and mocking, what though the odds be great or small, the Irish WILL win overall. And that time, you will witness her sons marching on to victory.
I'm not just saying that. It's written in a annals of college football.
National Championships - yeah we got 'em
Heisman Trophy Winners - yeah we got 'em
Best Fights Song - yeah we got it
All part of a collective collage of lore that Joe Pa and PSU can't comprehend.
Hater!
Queue the soundtrack from Rudy...
Notre Dame has a legacy like no other. Lo, these many decades that football has been played, Notre Dame has been a founding father of the game that you enjoy. You need have more respect for the forefathers who weathered much ado to lay the foundation for the modern game. Mock if you will, but those gold helmets mean more to college football than the practice uniforms (yeah, I said I like them) that PSU wears on game day. The Blue and Gold stand for the echos from the past, and the thunder from the sky.
Vince, what you need to understand is that in all of your scoffing and mocking, what though the odds be great or small, the Irish WILL win overall. And that time, you will witness her sons marching on to victory.
I'm not just saying that. It's written in a annals of college football.
National Championships - yeah we got 'em
Heisman Trophy Winners - yeah we got 'em
Best Fights Song - yeah we got it
All part of a collective collage of lore that Joe Pa and PSU can't comprehend.
Hater!
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Notre Dame has a legacy like no other.
Indeed they do. Two years ago, the Notre Dame "Dream Team" set several university records....for losing.
Back in the days when college football consisted of college students, Notre Dame was hiring professional athletes, I mean, uhm, offering scholarships, making themselves champions with players who weren't real college students. Today, with real competition, Notre Dame has yet to realize that they are failures.
But cheer up, Mike. Penn State is willing to give people like you a real team to root for.
Indeed they do. Two years ago, the Notre Dame "Dream Team" set several university records....for losing.
Back in the days when college football consisted of college students, Notre Dame was hiring professional athletes, I mean, uhm, offering scholarships, making themselves champions with players who weren't real college students. Today, with real competition, Notre Dame has yet to realize that they are failures.
But cheer up, Mike. Penn State is willing to give people like you a real team to root for.
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You'll need to define "back in the days...", because I'm not sure if you'd care enough to looking deep into the beginnings of college football (second half of the 1800's) to see how football included all sorts of ragtags. The game was being shaped, and Notre Dame was an integral part of it. You're a fan of the academies, so you should at least appreciate the tradition that Notre Dame has kept in maintaining certain rivalries there. They NEVER backed down from them throughout the century and always had among the toughest schedules. Keeping Michigan and USC on their schedule over the last few decades went against the trend in lightening up.
You're going to have to be a little more specific when making accusations about "paying" players and including players who weren't athletes. If you're talking about early in the 1900's, all schools did that. Players didn't need to attend schools to join their teams. Michigan and Notre Dame had players move back and forth. If you're making this claim of playing non-students in the modern era of ncaa football, I'd be interested in specifics.
You made a comment in another thread about the tough academic standards of the academies. Notre Dame has always kept a high standard in this area, which is part of their difficulties at a time when other schools are loosening them. The only thing you can legitimately say is that Notre Dame used to have a pipeline of Catholic athletes who went up through powerful private Catholic high schools and were "channeled" into Notre Dame. That trend changed long ago. But their academic standards are the real reason ND hasn't been as competitive recently. That's not to say it can't or won't happen again. :yes
Penn State has nothing on Notre Dame in its legacy or its prestige. They get kicked around by Iowa year after year, even in some years when Iowa wasn't as good as they are now. So, having jabbed back at your Brian Kelly swipe and your claim that Notre Dame plays non-students, what's next? Your envy reaches for anything it can to take shots.
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THE RANKINGS ARE OUT!
Penn State is ranked #18, and Notre Dame--chuckle, ha ha, laugh, ho ho---isn't ranked.
For the record: Only the top 25 teams are "ranked," and the Associated Press Poll is the only one that I take seriously. The other polls were invented as money-making deals for their inventors.
Penn State is ranked #18, and Notre Dame--chuckle, ha ha, laugh, ho ho---isn't ranked.
For the record: Only the top 25 teams are "ranked," and the Associated Press Poll is the only one that I take seriously. The other polls were invented as money-making deals for their inventors.
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Thanks for pointing out the the AP only ranks the top 25. I always thought my news paper was just saving space. :D
Well, it's no secret that ND has had a bad go of it for a while. Even the preseason polls stopped ranking Notre Dame early out of namesake. It took a good while after their last championship for pollsters to stop giving them more credit than they deserved before the season started. So why the continued hate? Is it because they refuse to join a conference? I've thought they should stop living in the past for a long time and just join the Big Ten. They themselves are living in a make-believe world where their place in college football is defined by their history. Even as a fan, I see that. Is it because they have their own network contract? The two are related. If they were in a conference, they couldn't do that. Even 5 years ago one could argue they could carry their own contract, but I don't know how they continue to get re-upped by NBC after failing to be truly competitive.
I'd think by now, many of the haters like yourself, would have moved on. What's to hate about a team that doesn't vie for anything substantial anymore. You can start hating them again if... no - when they rise out of the ashes. :yes
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Three decades??? Stretching the truth to make your point?
17 years ago finished #2 (11-1)
18 years ago finished #4 (10-1-1)
20 years ago finished #6 (9-3)
21 years ago finished #2 (12-1)
22 years ago finished #1 (12-0)
5 years ago finished #9 (9-3)
Admittedly, not a lot of success lately, compared to their standards. But obviously more than you're giving them credit for. A little short sighted to take some down years and dismiss all their history.
Go Irish!
17 years ago finished #2 (11-1)
18 years ago finished #4 (10-1-1)
20 years ago finished #6 (9-3)
21 years ago finished #2 (12-1)
22 years ago finished #1 (12-0)
5 years ago finished #9 (9-3)
Admittedly, not a lot of success lately, compared to their standards. But obviously more than you're giving them credit for. A little short sighted to take some down years and dismiss all their history.
Go Irish!
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Okay, lets settle down and wait for the legal system to do its work. I'm sure we'd all agree that there were obvious felonies of conspiracy committed by the officials during this game. Clearly, there were crimes committed. Whether the coaches of Michigan were in on the job or just the officials, I believe we are all in agreement that crimes were committed and indictments are forthcoming. We all are in agreement that the officials were guilty of conspiracy, but to what extent is to be determined.
Absent of officiating crimes, the score would have been something like 548-3.
Let us allow the NCAA to review the obvious felonies to be reviewed and let it take its course. This is a sad blemish on the NCAA, however, I'm certain the wrong will be righted and Notre Dame will be correctly registered as 2-0 on the season.
Miami 349 - Penn State 3
Absent of officiating crimes, the score would have been something like 548-3.
Let us allow the NCAA to review the obvious felonies to be reviewed and let it take its course. This is a sad blemish on the NCAA, however, I'm certain the wrong will be righted and Notre Dame will be correctly registered as 2-0 on the season.
Miami 349 - Penn State 3
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