The identity of the antichrist in 5 verses

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm totally lost here.
Which 5 verses identify the anti-christ?

 

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Brief recap.

We don't "see" with our flesh eyes, the Holy Spirit. We "perceive" the Holy Spirit, spiritually.

In the reverse sense, we also don't and won't "see" with our flesh eyes, the anti-Christ spirit. We perceive the anti-Christ spirit, also spiritually.

No one is going to see the anti-Christ spirit as "a man" that much is certain. Why? Because the anti-Christ is a spirit.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Why any believers are sitting around waiting to see "a man" is beyond me. Waste of time. The anti-Christ spirit was already in the world when John wrote the above. There is no "waiting" required to perceive this wicked spirit. It's perceived daily, just about anywhere on the planet.

How is this spirit heard/perceived? Anyone who denies God in Christ came into the world, in the flesh, is speaking with the spirit of the anti-Christ. These anti-Christ words are spoken from the spiritually blinded and captured, by that spirit.

If you are witnessing Christ, you WILL hear the anti-Christ spirit trying to keep it's hold on it's captives. You will HEAR it with your own two ears, speaking from that slave of same.

When we see sinners, acting out, we are seeing the workings of the anti-Christ spirit. Just turn on the teevee, and your senses will be literally bombarded with the actions and antics of the anti-Christ spirit, acting in those people who act out their sins through endless lusts, temptations and murders. Even if it is just an "act" it's still an ACT of the anti-Christ spirit.

Actors themselves are moved by the anti-Christ spirit. They are paid liars and posers. And society worships these professional liars. Adores them. That is the blinded by the anti-Christ spirit people, moved by same to falsely worship these posers.

When our politicians lie and deceive and act totally irresponsibly in matters of public debts and deception and wars, we are witnessing with our own two eyes and we are hearing the workings of the anti-Christ spirits in them.

The world is quite awash in this working, if anyone failed to notice.

 

[Douglas Summers]

We're all tasked with "understanding" scripture. It doesn't come automatically. And yes, I do have part sighted reflections just like everyone else, inclusive of Paul for example. It is important to me to have "honest" opinions of what I read/perceive. I also think God in Christ has been exceptionally faithful to me in this direction. I do know that if my reflections are wrong, His are Right, regardless.



That's par for the course and the territory. On general basic/matters I don't think christians are all that much divided.



There is part of all of us that will be "left behind" and "escorted out" Douglas. Jesus said that man will live by every Word of God. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. That also includes all the bad Words that we don't like to hear, personally, IMHO.

I see no victory here for me in Spiritual unity. But you are correct in remembering what Christ said about every word of God, but I have yet to find any bad words or Scriptures? But if we live by every word of God, then how do we justify picking and choosing what we believe?.........we can't.

 

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I see no victory here for me in Spiritual unity.

The best I've been able to gather is to be able to look upon others or even myself, honestly, and in line with the portrayals of scripture. I left off chasing theology rainbows quite some time ago. All the more interesting aspects of the scripture really reside in "how" God deals, presently, with the whole situation of creation, and particularly on the evil side of the ledgers.

I do maintain the christian hope for the promise of eventual change, in Christ, by His Power. This is the direction I've turned my face. There is really no other direction to face, but to our Hope in Him.

But you are correct in remembering what Christ said about every word of God, but I have yet to find any bad words or Scriptures? But if we live by every word of God, then how do we justify picking and choosing what we believe?.........we can't.

If you picked up on what I observed prior, that we 'all' do factually engage the anti-Christ spirit within our own temporal temples, which to me is beyond any doubts when confronted with various lusts/temptations/deceptions/thefts of Word, etc etc, then we understand the importance of applying the promises of wrath/eternal damnation to that entity/spirit. And the Words on the ILL side of the ledgers actually contain a great portion of our HOPE.

The Power of God resides on the opposite side of the ledgers, here for example. And it is REAL OBSERVABLE POWER by Gods Words:

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

When we UPHOLD the Word of God, the enemies are SURE to rise up in resistance. No different than when the Word came into Egypt. The people of God were engaged with God's Deliverance, and the enemies pursued after them.

It really is no different today.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm totally lost here.
Which 5 verses identify the anti-christ?

Me too, lol.

Somebody bring me up to speed. Who is this king?:

" another (king) will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings. 25‘He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:24-25 NASB parenthesis mine)

"A king will arise,
Insolent and skilled in intrigue.

24“His power will be mighty, but not by his own power,
And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree
And prosper and perform his will;
He will destroy mighty men and the holy people.

25“And through his shrewdness
He will cause deceit to succeed by his influence;
And he will magnify himself in his heart,
And he will destroy many while they are at ease.
He will even oppose the Prince of princes,
But he will be broken without human agency.

26“The vision of the evenings and mornings
Which has been told is true;
But keep the vision secret,
For it pertains to many days in the future.”
(Daniel 8:24-26 NASB)

11“The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth (king) and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction." (Revelation 17:11 NASB parenthesis mine)

So, after 25 pages of discussion, who is this king that we can identify in 5 verses?

 

[Douglas Summers]

The best I've been able to gather is to be able to look upon others or even myself, honestly, and in line with the portrayals of scripture. I left off chasing theology rainbows quite some time ago. All the more interesting aspects of the scripture really reside in "how" God deals, presently, with the whole situation of creation, and particularly on the evil side of the ledgers.

I do maintain the christian hope for the promise of eventual change, in Christ, by His Power. This is the direction I've turned my face. There is really no other direction to face, but to our Hope in Him.



If you picked up on what I observed prior, that we 'all' do factually engage the anti-Christ spirit within our own temporal temples, which to me is beyond any doubts when confronted with various lusts/temptations/deceptions/thefts of Word, etc etc, then we understand the importance of applying the promises of wrath/eternal damnation to that entity/spirit. And the Words on the ILL side of the ledgers actually contain a great portion of our HOPE.

The Power of God resides on the opposite side of the ledgers, here for example. And it is REAL OBSERVABLE POWER by Gods Words:

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

When we UPHOLD the Word of God, the enemies are SURE to rise up in resistance. No different than when the Word came into Egypt. The people of God were engaged with God's Deliverance, and the enemies pursued after them.

It really is no different today.

Spiritually I disagree. You must be born again.

 

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Spiritually I disagree. You must be born again.

Don't recall bringing that up so what are you disagreeing with again?

 

[reba]

Admin... Lets remember we do not see the facial expressions of the 'other guy'. Which can make printed words read a bit different then they were written... A simple example is the word "you". often that word is taken as an attack like YOU when all the writer meant was mankind in general. ...I know what i am thinking when i write something the other guys are not mind readers... We dont see that twinkle of the eye that lets us know this guy is being light hearted... Nor do we see the glaring look...

A simple example is the word "you". often that word is taken as an attack like YOU when all the writer meant was mankind in general.

There is not one who does not post with preconceived ideas and we dont all have the same ideas..

Joy to the world the Lord has come ! .

Added not meant at any one member just a general reminder...

 

[JCitoL]

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[Douglas Summers]

Don't recall bringing that up so what are you disagreeing with again?

"We" must be born again. Without rebirth, Scripture's interpretation then, is by man's reasoning, which is many and carnal.
It is not possible for men to understand Spiritual things by the flesh. That is not by a carnal judgment of mine on Scripture, or what is left up to me to decide. But it is Spiritually discerned by the born again Spirit I now have received by faith in God's gift. (1 Cor. 2: 9-16)

 

[Sinthesis]

"We" must be born again. Without rebirth, Scripture's interpretation then, is by man's reasoning, which is many and carnal.
It is not possible for men to understand Spiritual things by the flesh. That is not by a carnal judgment of mine on Scripture, or what is left up to me to decide. But it is Spiritually discerned by the born again Spirit I now have received by faith in God's gift. (1 Cor. 2: 9-16)

Does that make your scriptural interpretation infallible?

 

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Does that make your scriptural interpretation infallible?

I guess that's what Douglas is referring to. No, none of us see everything nor do we know everything. And I will add, NOR do I want to.

Paul acknowledged that he saw ONLY in part, and actually provided some Holy Spirit inspired answers on why this is true. It is more important for me to be honest about things, like seeing in part, like having sin, like knowing sin is of the devil, and seeing that is WHY we only see in part. We are all interfered with in this way.

I do know that there is a hot button with "christians" that is triggered when the truth of scriptures show that we DO encounter the anti-Christ spirit in our own flesh temples comes into conversations about the anti-Christ or the devil.

And that happens precisely because of the "other" party. Dark following after Day is one of the most demonstrated principles in the scriptures, and in real life as well.

When believers insist to see their entire personal package as only and entirely in the Light, then for me that will have to entail being honest or it's not Light. Being 'In Truth' in this regards IS distasteful, but at least it's honest. And it is also a very helpful measure to avoid the various deceptions with the plethora of megalomaniacs that fill the space of believerdom. I think at this point in my life I've encountered just about all of same.

Christians are warned that the anti-Christ will come. That encounter is spiritual, and it is an encounter with the fact of our own darkness, in our own flesh, between our own two ears.

 

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"We" must be born again. Without rebirth, Scripture's interpretation then, is by man's reasoning, which is many and carnal.
It is not possible for men to understand Spiritual things by the flesh. That is not by a carnal judgment of mine on Scripture, or what is left up to me to decide. But it is Spiritually discerned by the born again Spirit I now have received by faith in God's gift. (1 Cor. 2: 9-16)

I am not only willing, but by reality, have been forced to observe and acknowledge this fact that Paul brought us, personally.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

As much as I might prefer not to have my flesh and the DEMONIC influences therein, be contrary to the Spirit, nevertheless,

it is.

I left off trying to make it otherwise because it will not happen. It is, as it is written.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Does that make your scriptural interpretation infallible?

I will answer that if you will answer this. Where you born again?

 

[reba]

I'm totally lost here.
Which 5 verses identify the anti-christ?

there are only 4
1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

Do any of these verses speak of a end time leader..?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

there are only 4
1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

Do any of these verses speak of a end time leader..?

Let me ask; how about a leader that says you don't need Jesus to be saved.
Is that an anti-christ?

 

[reba]

the scriptures say( in my words) any one who does not believe Jesus is the Son of God, Thee Christ, is anti christ..
God uses the words 'many deceivers' in my mind... Muslims, by religion, are anti christ . People of Jewish faith are anticchrist .
Atheist are antichrist.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

the scriptures say( in my words) any one who does not believe Jesus is the Son of God, Thee Christ, is anti christ..
God uses the words 'many deceivers' in my mind... Muslims, by religion, are anti christ . People of Jewish faith are anticchrist .
Atheist are antichrist.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

But what if a person says they believe in Jesus and call themselves Christian, but then tell Jews they don't need Jesus to be saved.
Are they anti-christs?

 

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I might even observe that anyone who thinks the anti-Christ is going to be a man, may in fact be influenced themselves by the anti-Christ spirit to see it that way.

Why?

Paul tells us this about "man."

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Obviously, if the anti-Christ was 'a man' we would certainly be speaking evil of that man.

again:

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If the anti-Christ is supposed to be a man, we are not supposed to love that man. All people are technically our neighbors.

again:

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Again, IF any "man" was in fact the anti-Christ, THEN what God said to Peter is not TRUE.

These are just a few examples of why "a man" will NOT be the anti-Christ and why it's important to understand that the anti-Christ is in fact a wicked/evil spirit(s) that is not man.

It is entirely possible in this sight, to see that wicked spirit and NOT see it as any particular man. How so? Look at Peter, with Satan speaking through him. Can we hear and judge Satan in Peter as Jesus did, and leave Peter unscathed? YES! This is in fact HOW Jesus saw things, loving Peter and being AGAINST SATAN in Peter, simultaneously.

This is "how" those who are 'in the church' are supposed to see.

 

[reba]

that is a question you need to research for yourself...


Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Opps smaller snuck in... Rollo Tamasi