The Image of Christ

[Deborah13]

The key of which Paul says in Romans is consciously reckoning yourself dead to sin. Sin having been crucified with Christ on the cross.

We don't forget about the cross. We remember, daily, that it is by the cross that we have died to sin and can, therefore, live to righteousness. That's what living by faith is all about: "I believe I'm dead to sin, I can live for God." And faith always remembers that.

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You quoted what I said about verses in Hebrews and spoke about Romans, I'm confused.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The key of which Paul says in Romans is consciously reckoning yourself dead to sin. Sin having been crucified with Christ on the cross.

We don't forget about the cross. We remember, daily, that it is by the cross that we have died to sin and can, therefore, live to righteousness. That's what living by faith is all about: "I believe I'm dead to sin, I can live for God." And faith always remembers that.

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You quoted what I said about verses in Hebrews and spoke about Romans, I'm confused.

I'm pointing out that Paul says in the book of Romans that the actual doing of righteousness (the maturity the author of Hebrews is speaking about) keys off the conscious truth that the believer was crucified with Christ on the cross. We don't forget about the cross. That is not what maturity is. Maturity is being very conscious of the death we died with Christ on the cross such that the sin nature that died is stripped of it's power to deceive us to make us submit to it.

 

[Deborah13]

I'm pointing out that Paul says in the book of Romans that the actual doing of righteousness (the maturity the author of Hebrews is speaking about) keys off the conscious truth that the believer was crucified with Christ on the cross. We don't forget about the cross. That is not what maturity is. Maturity is being very conscious of the death we died with Christ on the cross such that the sin nature that died is stripped of it's power to deceive us to make us submit to it.

This is true, the gospel message is the very foundation of our faith. And I agree that the author of Hebrews is saying to mature. Which would be building on the foundation of the gospel.
Here is another portion from the same post that you quoted from,
"We never should forget the suffering of our Lord and what that meant for us, Passover season is here. Many of us will be receiving the Lord's communion in our churches and our homes remembering the cross always."

It's nice to find something we can agree on again. :wink

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It's nice to find something we can agree on again. :wink

I'll try to be more careful next time, lol.

 

[SeekHisFace]

I think you all have stated many truths. There isn't much more for me to add except that understanding what Christ did for us "once and for all", and never having to go back every year to sacrifice the animal for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus died for us to pay for that "penalty" of all sin that brought death. We are always covered by His blood as long as we are continually "in Him" and He "in us" everyday (daily) and walking in our change, growing, and maturing.
As J. Bodine (i think that was you...lol) says daily crucifying the flesh.

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[ezrider]

I think you all have stated many truths. There isn't much more for me to add except that understanding what Christ did for us "once and for all", and never having to go back every year to sacrifice the animal for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus died for us to pay for that "penalty" of all sin that brought death. We are always covered by His blood as long as we are continually "in Him" and He "in us" everyday (daily) and walking in our change, growing, and maturing.
As J. Bodine (i think that was you...lol) says daily crucifying the flesh.

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I think that was very well stated.

 

[ezrider]

Let's look at the verse again.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

despite = G1796 = From G1722 and G5195; to insult: - do despite unto.
G5195 = From G5196; to exercise violence, that is, abuse: - use despitefully, reproach, entreat shamefully (spitefully).

account = G2233 =
Middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of G71; to lead, that is, command (with official authority); figuratively to deem, that is, consider: - account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

So this means to think, suppose, or esteem the blood of Christ to be unholy, profane, unclean, common, and in doing so exercising violence, abuse against the Holy Spirit of Grace.

So what would common mean in reference to the shed blood of Christ, LESS than even the blood of bulls and goats for a Jew, for gentile LESS than their sacrifices to Pagan gods. UNHOLY = unable to redeem, unable to appease the wrath of God or gods.

The blood of the covenant was Christs blood shed for us. That is entirely unique and holy, for it was a sacrifice made only once for the benefit of all. I would agree with Jethro Bodine when he said it is unbelief that reduces the blood of Christ to the common; but the unbelief is by those who do believe in Jesus. The one time sacrifice of Christ not only cleansed us of our sins, but by his blood a new and better Covenant between God and Man was sealed. There was nothing common about that. What makes the blood as common and unholy, is when you keep bringing your sins to the cross of Christ, then you have taken something most precious and holy, and then do try and offer the same sacrifice, over and over again. And you treat the sacrifice of Christ and the power in his blood as if you had just walked into the temple courtyard to purchase a dove so that you may offer your sacrifice at the alter of God. In doing so you have trodden under foot the Son of God, seeing you do crucify Christ afresh, and do put him to open shame.

 

[ezrider]

Maybe a better way to understand how the word "common" is applied is to use an analogy. When your invited guests are coming over for special occasions, you break out the finest of your wares and linens. Out come the silver trays and crystal dishes, while you serve the finest of your wines. Then after the guests have gone, you clean up and put those dishes away. Now if a man after he sets out his finest crystal and gold and silver, but then never puts them away, but instead uses them from day to day. After a time, the gleam of the shimmering light through the crystal has lost its fascination and wonder, and the reflection in the silver has become dull and dross, nearly fading away. This man has used something special as if it were common.

 

[eddif]

II Corinthians 4:10
10 Always bearing about In the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

This is a complicated discussion. IMHO that old Romans 7:25 passage is the only relief, and I do not think my carnal mind can comprehend it all. We live in a physical body till death / end of time. Before eternity we are physically changed. The mind of Christ happens in this time though, and all the comprehension of being seated with Christ in heavenly places exists.

With the mind we are way beyond what we are in the flesh. We may not be rulled by the flesh (like we once were) but we are not without sin. We can not exclude the mind or the body in our understanding. If we exclude the body we are perfect (the resurrection is past already). If we exclude the mind we are dependent on works for salvation.

This is all tough to understand.

eddif

 

[Deborah13]

II Corinthians 4:10
10 Always bearing about In the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

This is a complicated discussion. IMHO that old Romans 7:25 passage is the only relief, and I do not think my carnal mind can comprehend it all. We live in a physical body till death / end of time. Before eternity we are physically changed. The mind of Christ happens in this time though, and all the comprehension of being seated with Christ in heavenly places exists.

With the mind we are way beyond what we are in the flesh. We may not be rulled by the flesh (like we once were) but we are not without sin. We can not exclude the mind or the body in our understanding. If we exclude the body we are perfect (the resurrection is past already). If we exclude the mind we are dependent on works for salvation.

This is all tough to understand.

eddif

:nod Simple statement truth, imo.

 

[ezrider]

II Corinthians 4:10
10 Always bearing about In the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

This is a complicated discussion. IMHO that old Romans 7:25 passage is the only relief, and I do not think my carnal mind can comprehend it all. We live in a physical body till death / end of time. Before eternity we are physically changed. The mind of Christ happens in this time though, and all the comprehension of being seated with Christ in heavenly places exists.

With the mind we are way beyond what we are in the flesh. We may not be rulled by the flesh (like we once were) but we are not without sin. We can not exclude the mind or the body in our understanding. If we exclude the body we are perfect (the resurrection is past already). If we exclude the mind we are dependent on works for salvation.

This is all tough to understand.

eddif

Romans 8:7-9 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It is the Spirit that inherits the kingdom of God; but flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 15 talks about the glory of the two bodies, the one celestial, and the other terrestrial. The glory of the terrestrial is death, but the glory of the celestial is life in Christ, and it is of the Spirit. I think when many people read 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 that they think that the change is an instantaneous event that they are still waiting for, because there is no mistaking the fact that we do remain in the flesh. But I would challenge you to consider this differently that you might understand. When this corruption shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality; This is not a change we look forward to where we shed the one to obtain the other, it is a change that we posses now, the nature of the flesh and the Spirit of the Lord, together in one body.

2 Corinthians 4:6-7 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You're making this so complicated.

Seek to live according to the fruit of the Spirit.

Done.

 

[Gary]

Mark 12
28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”
29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is:‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.
31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”


Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,”
“You shall not bear false witness,”
“You shall not covet,”
and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.



There you have it. The main ingredients to a fruitful walk.

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