The Lack of Christian Values

[reba]

any one what has witnessed a violent crime and reported it will most likely never report another... The hassle one gets when a crime is reported is just plain nuts.

 

[Aardverk]

I can also guarantee those graphs don't include juvenile based data. Those records are sealed and not public domain. Hence the discrepancy between your data and mine.

This is very confusing. The Juvenile data certainly does seem to be in the Public Domain.

Trying to find exactly what was in the Public Domain I searched and found many web-sites saying that Juvenile crime had reduced. If you are right that the FBI are withholding the true data and all these others organizations are being misled, you really should be whistle blowing - or could you have misread something?

This one is a rather out of date but it just happens to tie in precisely with the graph published previously and it contains some interesting comments on reported and unreported crimes.

Quote from PBS:

Juvenile violent crime is at its lowest level since 1987, and fell 30% between 1994 and 1998. .[1]

Fewer than half of serious violent crimes by juveniles are reported to law enforcement. This number has not changed significantly in 20 years.[2]

The rate at which juveniles committed serious violent crimes changed little between 1973 and 1989, peaked in 1993, and by 1997 declined to the lowest level since 1986.[3]

On average, juveniles were involved in one-quarter of all serious violent victimizations (not including murder) committed annually over the last 25 years.[4]

In 1999, law enforcement officers arrested an estimated 2.5 million juveniles. Approximately 104,000 of these arrests were for violent crimes. The most common offense was larceny-theft.[5]

Juveniles accounted for 16% percent of all violent crime arrests and 32% of all property crime arrests in 1999. They accounted for 54% of all arson arrests, 42% of vandalism arrests, 31% of larceny-theft arrests, and 33% of burglary arrests.[6]

Juvenile arrest rates for violent crimes are down: the percentage of all juveniles arrested for violent crimes fell to an 11 year low in 1999, to 339 for every 100,000 individuals ages 12-17. This represents a 36% drop from the peak year 1994.[7]

Juvenile arrest rates for property crimes remained relatively stable between 1980 and 1999. In 1998, for every 100,000 youth in the United States ages 10 through 17, there were 1,751 arrests of juveniles for property offenses.[8]
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Other web-sites tell the same story. Are we all being misled and the official data is faked by the FBI? :shades

Probably not.

Did you find that causal link to Christian Values?

 

[Gordon]

I don't really get how people can say it used to be so Christian when half the country thought black people were the scum of the earth.

 

[Mike]

I don't really get how people can say it used to be so Christian when half the country thought black people were the scum of the earth.

I think if you read about that era from reliable historians, you'll find this is a gross exaggeration. It was a minority that felt that way, even where slavery was legal. That said, you probably have a good point about seeing history through rose-colored glasses.

We can get back on topic now.

 

[Gordon]

I haven't been in history class for a while but white people didn't even get along with less white other white people. I am pretty sure racism was a much bigger problem in our recent past than it is today.

 

[Aardverk]

I haven't been in history class for a while but white people didn't even get along with less white other white people. I am pretty sure racism was a much bigger problem in our recent past than it is today.

From my personal experience in the 60's I can confirm that you are absolutely right. There really was a 'natural' assumption by most white people that they were superior. That still applies in some areas. It is the opposite of a 'Christian Value' so I guess we can say that is one 'Christian Value' that has improved along with the improving crime rate.

Could we assume that prejudice causes retaliatory crime?

 

[Milk-Drops]

I think its telling how little history people are aware of when they claim that this is one of the most violent times when the reality is that barely a few hundred years ago continents like Africa, Europe, and Asia where in constant war from empire to empire and concurrings. We as humans used to be quite violent to each other tribal wise and very genocidal to outsiders and foreign cultures. Crime was a massive problem and many murders went unsolved because of the lack of technology in large cities. Not to mention that poverty was a crucial issue in the past and caused massive amounts of strife. Heck in the US alone we had native genocide and slavery, huge problems with murder, rape, and theft and even a history of strong institutionally supported racism and misogyny.

Yet a book that was published by an English scientists during the Victorian age is being blamed while crime is going down. Not to mention that after world war 2 where the US and several other countries signed peace and trade treaties that have kept the world at the most peace it has seen in almost ever.

People, pick up a history book. ;)

 

[Aardverk]

I think its telling how little history people are aware of when they claim that this is one of the most violent times when the reality is that barely a few hundred years ago continents like Africa, Europe, and Asia where in constant war from empire to empire and concurrings..............................People, pick up a history book. ;)

You only need to read The Bible to see how violent life used to be. The OT is stuffed full of instructions to kill for all sorts of apparently unfair reasons and that's without all the smiting by God. If we all started following The Bible's instructions to kill, the violent crime rate would explode.

Fortunately we have become a bit more tolerant and very few people take those instructions literally.

(I tried to list some of the killing in this post but it was over 31,000 characters and you are only allowed to post 15,000.)